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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2019 16:36:05 GMT -5
0-3 RISP, 6 LOB. we've seen this before often this year. You see this often for every single team in the league. It's baseball.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 16:39:39 GMT -5
10-8, 5.54, 10 quality starts out of 23, 149 hits in 128 innings could lead to such things! Yeah. But he competes well, always takes the ball, get you some quality innings. I mean you could do a lot worse Not this year, really - Porcello ranks as worst starter ERA wise in the AL. Wins are what counts...unless we start awarding effort points. Sorry - I am pretty tough on this talented team this year because they are capable of so much more.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2019 16:41:26 GMT -5
Yeah. But he competes well, always takes the ball, get you some quality innings. I mean you could do a lot worse Not this year, really - Porcello ranks as worst starter ERA wise in the AL. Wins are what counts...unless we start awarding effort points. Sorry - I am pretty tough on this talented team this year because they are capable of so much more. So Porcello has twice as many wins as Sale, he must be twice as good.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 10, 2019 16:46:48 GMT -5
Shocker that the lineup Cora put out there today is struggling to score.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 10, 2019 16:53:53 GMT -5
Trout is a beast.
edit. I realize it wasn’t a very good pitch. My comment is general. Also, normal people can’t hit even bad pitches that perfectly.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2019 16:54:12 GMT -5
This is baseball now in 2019.
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Post by station13 on Aug 10, 2019 16:56:25 GMT -5
If you need somebody to throw BP who would you ask for from this staff?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 10, 2019 16:58:37 GMT -5
If you need somebody to throw BP who would you ask for from this staff? Of course no one says a word after retiring 14 in a row.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 17:19:28 GMT -5
Welcome back Ty Buttrey - you get to face Mookie!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 17:23:32 GMT -5
Great swing on that. Let's keep this going.
One is better than none....
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Post by ianrs on Aug 10, 2019 17:26:30 GMT -5
This team has left so. many. runners. on. base. this season.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 17:28:15 GMT -5
This team has left so. many. runners. on. base. this season. sssshhhh....we are not supposed to discuss it. It happens to all teams all the time. No biggie (where is my sarcasm smilie???)
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 10, 2019 17:34:22 GMT -5
Team is wasting an offensive explosion from JBJ.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 10, 2019 17:47:09 GMT -5
This team has left so. many. runners. on. base. this season. And pitched like crapola
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 17:47:52 GMT -5
Bringing Velazquez in to face Trout with the bases loaded in a big game - is this the current team version of the white flag? Sad.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 10, 2019 17:51:44 GMT -5
Pretty ugly. Time to do something besides watching baseball.
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Post by ianrs on Aug 10, 2019 17:54:12 GMT -5
I mean I have been behind this team all season but Cora chose a getaway day team and that's the performance he got. Sad to watch.
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Post by station13 on Aug 10, 2019 17:57:14 GMT -5
I guess you have to throw Velazquez to the wolves once the game is deemed over.
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Post by soxjim on Aug 10, 2019 17:58:04 GMT -5
Sale leads MLB in K/9 after a season of injury, mishandling the injury, overuse, an incredibly long post season and next to no spring training. You'd think on a team where Koji recently dominated with an 88 mph fastball and Joe Kelly couldn't strike anyone out with a 102 mph fastball, that fans would understand that fastball velocity is nowhere near the most important factor in pitching ability. And still, Chris Sale hit 98 last night. Sale's arm is probably halfway to home plate by the time he releases the ball. He also has a very high spin rate. He can still strike out tons of people even if he's throwing 90. Sale also has let up the most home run per 9 for his career. Indicative of his fastball decline imo. As for Koji, we got a prime Koji. This will probably not be a prime Sale at 31 years of age next year imo. And I think it's safe to say guys with high velocity usually get more strikeouts -- if you want to believe he will have terrific strikeout numbers and sustainable high numbers with a declining fastball with minimal home runs allowed - okay but I don't think so. As for JKelly - he showed his fastball was not very effective overall for his carer but Sale has. So it is evident that the fastball was also a big part of Sale's success. His fastball was considered a "plus" fastball? Or "plus plus?" whatever. So if it declines by dropping a level then all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe it doesn't matter beucase "Koji" didn't need one? Nah. Different pitchers different styles. DIfferent circumstances facing number of batters etc. Yet one thing we know is Sale's numbers this year have declined in particular has f/b in Boston -the prior year he is hurt- and then we see what happens - this year turns into among the worst or 2nd worst of his career. ANd if we don;t look at career just look at this year vs the other two in Boston he has not been near as good. FIP of 3.34 vs 1.98 and 2.45. As far as spin rate -- yeah I see- but it is also scary that if he has a high spin rate - he still is performing among the worst of his career - so then what significance is it vs fastball decline specifically for Sale? Further- heck an article last year in Fangraphs (Link below) - Rich Hill suggested "David Wells" could have a good spin rate if he pitched today on his curve today yet we know he'd get crushed just as eventually Koji eventually did. Fastballs matter for the most part. I don't expect Sale to get crushed but just am more concerned that we could've gone after Cole instead. Further Rich Hill suggests spin rate performs better with age so if we go by that then what happened to Koji after his super year with SOx? Just like nearly all pitchers we see a decline in fastball. Fastball decline is a problem. not every pitcher can recover. With Sale's age combined with his injury issues and if his spin rate has been real good now-- why shouldn't I be scared he doesn't similarily get hit with a high number of home runs again next year? blogs.fangraphs.com/rich-hill-has-a-theory-about-spin-and-aging/
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Post by station13 on Aug 10, 2019 18:01:29 GMT -5
Travis a late bloomer?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 10, 2019 18:02:13 GMT -5
Playing embarrassing baseball against a dreadful team. This is your 2019 Boston Red Sox.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 10, 2019 18:08:09 GMT -5
Ryan Weber sighting - totally forgot he was on the team.
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Post by manfred on Aug 10, 2019 18:16:43 GMT -5
Sale leads MLB in K/9 after a season of injury, mishandling the injury, overuse, an incredibly long post season and next to no spring training. You'd think on a team where Koji recently dominated with an 88 mph fastball and Joe Kelly couldn't strike anyone out with a 102 mph fastball, that fans would understand that fastball velocity is nowhere near the most important factor in pitching ability. And still, Chris Sale hit 98 last night. Sale's arm is probably halfway to home plate by the time he releases the ball. He also has a very high spin rate. He can still strike out tons of people even if he's throwing 90. Sale also has let up the most home run per 9 for his career. Indicative of his fastball decline imo. As for Koji, we got a prime Koji. This will probably not be a prime Sale at 31 years of age next year imo. And I think it's safe to say guys with high velocity usually get more strikeouts -- if you want to believe he will have terrific strikeout numbers and sustainable high numbers with a declining fastball with minimal home runs allowed - okay but I don't think so. As for JKelly - he showed his fastball was not very effective overall for his carer but Sale has. So it is evident that the fastball was also a big part of Sale's success. His fastball was considered a "plus" fastball? Or "plus plus?" whatever. So if it declines by dropping a level then all of a sudden I'm supposed to believe it doesn't matter beucase "Koji" didn't need one? Nah. Different pitchers different styles. DIfferent circumstances facing number of batters etc. Yet one thing we know is Sale's numbers this year have declined in particular has f/b in Boston -the prior year he is hurt- and then we see what happens - this year turns into among the worst or 2nd worst of his career. ANd if we don;t look at career just look at this year vs the other two in Boston he has not been near as good. FIP of 3.34 vs 1.98 and 2.45. As far as spin rate -- yeah I see- but it is also scary that if he has a high spin rate - he still is performing among the worst of his career - so then what significance is it vs fastball decline specifically for Sale? Further- heck an article last year in Fangraphs (Link below) - Rich Hill suggested "David Wells" could have a good spin rate if he pitched today on his curve today yet we know he'd get crushed just as eventually Koji eventually did. Fastballs matter for the most part. I don't expect Sale to get crushed but just am more concerned that we could've gone after Cole instead. Further Rich Hill suggests spin rate performs better with age so if we go by that then what happened to Koji after his super year with SOx? Just like nearly all pitchers we see a decline in fastball. Fastball decline is a problem. not every pitcher can recover. With Sale's age combined with his injury issues and if his spin rate has been real good now-- why shouldn't I be scared he doesn't similarily get hit with a high number of home runs again next year? blogs.fangraphs.com/rich-hill-has-a-theory-about-spin-and-aging/We don’t know why his hr rate is up. But if home runs are up generally, it seems as likely something else is going on. But either way, it is conjecture. The Cole thing baffles me: how do we know the Sox would get him? How do we know he is a better option? It feels like it is a form of Sale vs. possible-#1-house. Show me a way the Sox made a mistake that involves concrete, better alternatives, and I’ll be in.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 10, 2019 18:24:01 GMT -5
Yeah. But he competes well, always takes the ball, get you some quality innings. I mean you could do a lot worse Not this year, really - Porcello ranks as worst starter ERA wise in the AL. Wins are what counts...unless we start awarding effort points. Sorry - I am pretty tough on this talented team this year because they are capable of so much more. that is true. They haven't gotten the job done, mostly the starting pitching and bullpen !! Terrible score today.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 10, 2019 18:26:48 GMT -5
i took a nap while all this bad stuff was going on....thankfully. Cashner going tomorrow....what could go wrong ?!?! See you then boys !!!
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