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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2019 12:53:08 GMT -5
I think cancer is rather left alone. Different circumstance. I don't remember the discussions on here surrounding Lester or Rizzo. I haven't seen too much in the "non-Red Sox" thread about Carrasco. Why? Everything you need to know about other people's health can be determined by group think and google, even if you've never seen him. One has a lesser treatable path and involves potential loss of life whereas one has a very high success rate and worst case is loss of livelihood (which most of the time includes accumulating enough to live out the rest of your days, not to mention whatever contract you're on is fully guaranteed unless you announce retirement, ala Pedroia). I do get what you're saying though. Off-topic, I do find it fascinating how players apparently don't have HIPAA laws applied to them.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 14:38:39 GMT -5
www.hss.edu/condition-list_prp-injections.asp"What is platelet-rich plasma (PRP) and what are PRP injections? Platelet-rich plasma (PRP) therapy uses injections of a concentration of a patient’s own platelets to accelerate the healing of injured tendons, ligaments, muscles and joints. In this way, PRP injections use each individual patient's own healing system to improve musculoskeletal problems. PRP injections are prepared by taking anywhere from one to a few tubes of your own blood and running it through a centrifuge to concentrate the platelets. These activated platelets are then injected directly into your injured or diseased body tissue. This releases growth factors that stimulate and increase the number of reparative cells your body produces. Ultrasound imaging is sometimes used to guide the injection. The photographs below illustrate a PRP injection into a patient's torn tendon. The ultrasound guidance is shown at left and the injection is shown at right." It's pretty common knowledge that if it was a mild strain, this thing would just be shut down and he would be prescribed inflammatory medicine, along with rest and rehab. Chances are that this is a grade 2 ucl strain needing further treatment than just rest, rehab, and inflammatory medicine. I was recently prescribed a medication that mostly deals with rapid heart beat. If I were to tell someone what medication I'm taking they would automatically assume I have a rapid heart beat...But I don't have a rapid heart beat. I have high blood pressure. The previous medications I tried weren't helping, but this one does. My previous post didn't ask you what a PRP injection COULD be used for, or even what it most likely could be used for. Your post before this one said it COULD NOT be used to combat inflammation, and you still haven't proven that was not completely made up. You've already stated what you THINK Sale's diagnosis could be. You've made that clear and we all get it. I'm not a mod, but I am respectfully asking you to stop making declarative statements ("There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation.") when you don't actually know for certain that's what's going on. It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 14:43:02 GMT -5
I was recently prescribed a medication that mostly deals with rapid heart beat. If I were to tell someone what medication I'm taking they would automatically assume I have a rapid heart beat...But I don't have a rapid heart beat. I have high blood pressure. The previous medications I tried weren't helping, but this one does. My previous post didn't ask you what a PRP injection COULD be used for, or even what it most likely could be used for. Your post before this one said it COULD NOT be used to combat inflammation, and you still haven't proven that was not completely made up. You've already stated what you THINK Sale's diagnosis could be. You've made that clear and we all get it. I'm not a mod, but I am respectfully asking you to stop making declarative statements ("There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation.") when you don't actually know for certain that's what's going on. It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Ignore the signs... like what the doctors have said.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 14:46:30 GMT -5
It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Ignore the signs... like what the doctors have said. The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2019 14:57:39 GMT -5
Ignore the signs... like what the doctors have said. The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale. In fairness to Pedro, I think the idea of "reevaluation" is to a. Make sure that it is actually going away when not throwing a baseball and b. Look again when the inflammation is gone to see if anything was missed originally. At least, that's what I suspect. I'm in IT and not a doctor so I couldn't even begin to tell you what's what. I just know that as of 8/20, it's likely Chris Sale won't need surgery and it's just inflammation. Maybe the Red Sox sent over his medical records to Andrews to be super cautious with their 30 million dollar pitcher? Maybe if it were, say, Brian Johnson they'd be ok with the medical report or send to another doctor that isn't James Andrews for the 2nd opinion. I know if I'm spending that kind of money on a guy, I'm sending him to the best doctors in the world just to be safe. Just pure speculation.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 20, 2019 14:59:01 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. You don't think a doctor making an "educated guess" is different than you making predictions fresh out of your appointment with Dr. Google?
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 15:01:17 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. You don't think a doctor making an "educated guess" is different than you making predictions fresh out of your appointment with Dr. Google? This is how we get measles outbreaks. “What do doctors know that I don’t?”
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 15:11:41 GMT -5
I was recently prescribed a medication that mostly deals with rapid heart beat. If I were to tell someone what medication I'm taking they would automatically assume I have a rapid heart beat...But I don't have a rapid heart beat. I have high blood pressure. The previous medications I tried weren't helping, but this one does. My previous post didn't ask you what a PRP injection COULD be used for, or even what it most likely could be used for. Your post before this one said it COULD NOT be used to combat inflammation, and you still haven't proven that was not completely made up. You've already stated what you THINK Sale's diagnosis could be. You've made that clear and we all get it. I'm not a mod, but I am respectfully asking you to stop making declarative statements ("There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation.") when you don't actually know for certain that's what's going on. It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. Of course you can't. You aren't a doctor and you haven't been within a mile of Chris Sale's arm or any of the tests ran on that arm. Is this a real life statement or did someone hack your account and try to make the dumbest possible comment imaginable. If so they succeeded.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 15:16:40 GMT -5
Ignore the signs... like what the doctors have said. The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale. Can you let me know what your medical opinion is of Andrew Luck's leg? Have a fantasy draft coming up and I could really use the advice of a non-doctor who has never evaluated him.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:19:38 GMT -5
The doctors haven't disclosed anything about the matter of Chris Sale besides the procedure that was taking place. They didn't even diagnose the injury, probably for the privacy of Chris Sale. Can you let me know what your medical opinion is of Andrew Luck's leg? Have a fantasy draft coming up and I could really use the advice of a non-doctor who has never evaluated him. Nah, the Colts stink and that was a horrible pick to begin with.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 15:21:34 GMT -5
Can you let me know what your medical opinion is of Andrew Luck's leg? Have a fantasy draft coming up and I could really use the advice of a non-doctor who has never evaluated him. Nah, the Colts stink and that was a horrible pick to begin with. It's a 2 QB league. I really need to know your expertise on everyone's health.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:22:45 GMT -5
It's a good statement, given the circumstances. If you want to pretend the thing is just inflammation, go right on ahead and ignore the signs. Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. Of course you can't. You aren't a doctor and you haven't been within a mile of Chris Sale's arm or any of the tests ran on that arm. Is this a real life statement or did someone hack your account and try to make the dumbest possible comment imaginable. If so they succeeded. You don't need to be a doctor to determine a probable prognosis given the procedure we were just given. Baseball injury+ forearm+ PRP injection = just inflammation. Crap crap crap.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:23:08 GMT -5
Nah, the Colts stink and that was a horrible pick to begin with. It's a 2 QB league. I really need to know your expertise on everyone's health. You already picked the wrong one.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:26:33 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. You don't think a doctor making an "educated guess" is different than you making predictions fresh out of your appointment with Dr. Google? I think any one person can see the signs and make a pretty easy determination here Don, based on even the little information given. You don't *have* to be a doctor here and that's the point.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 20, 2019 15:28:41 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. I can think of no other explanation for this dichotomy other than how jealous we all are of your perfect opinions.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 15:28:49 GMT -5
The funny/sad thing will be is if Sale does need TJS eventually, pedro will strain his shoulder patting himself on the back, despite the fact that he's completely wrong about knowing a god damn thing.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:40:00 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:40:00 GMT -5
Doctors make definitive decisions without knowing what the definitive problem is all the time. Yet, I can't make those statements based on the probability of what is going on here. Funny. I can think of no other explanation for this dichotomy other than how jealous we all are of your perfect opinions. My opinion isn't perfect, but when someone tells you a order to not make definitive statements based off of probability, I think it's *perfectly* fine to call them out on it.
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Aug 20, 2019 15:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:41:50 GMT -5
The funny/sad thing will be is if Sale does need TJS eventually, pedro will strain his shoulder patting himself on the back, despite the fact that he's completely wrong about knowing a god damn thing. When the ligament is stretched, the most common procedure is reconstruction. There's no patting yourself on the back here. It's a pretty common knowledge.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 15:44:02 GMT -5
The funny/sad thing will be is if Sale does need TJS eventually, pedro will strain his shoulder patting himself on the back, despite the fact that he's completely wrong about knowing a god damn thing. When the ligament is stretched, the most common procedure is reconstruction. There's no patting yourself on the back here. It's a pretty common fact. It's a pretty common fact that a lot of pitchers, including Chris Sale have gotten PRP injections without needing TJS.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 15:47:20 GMT -5
Watch pedro argue with this for 20 posts. He knows more than medical research as well. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5686880/Hypothesis: Nonoperative management of acute or subacute partial MUCL tears of the elbow with a formal treatment protocol will allow the injured ligament to heal without surgery and will permit a rapid return to sport. Results: A total of 25 athletes (23 baseball athletes, 2 softball athletes [1 participant also danced]) underwent PRP injections and guided rehabilitation. Of these patients, 23 were diagnosed with primary grade 2 injuries of the MUCL; 22 patients with primary injuries (96%) demonstrated stability of the MUCL after treatment and returned to play at the same or higher level of competition without further intervention. Repeat MRI demonstrated reconstitution of the ligament in all patients, although 2 patients demonstrated only partial reconstitution. Patients were released to play at 6 weeks; due to vagaries of sports seasons, the mean time to return to competitive play was 82 days. Two of the 25 patients had undergone prior surgery (1 MUCL reconstruction and 1 repair). These patients remained unstable and symptomatic on examination after this treatment regimen, did not show complete reconstitution of the ligament on subsequent MRI, and required MUCL reconstruction. Conclusion: Ouf of 23 primary injury patients who received PRP injections and nonoperative measures, 22 (96%) were able to return to play and demonstrated reconstitution of the MUCL on MRI. Two of the 3 patients for whom PRP therapy failed had undergone previous MUCL surgery. We conclude that a 2-injection regimen of leukocyte-rich PRP is a safe and effective treatment for partial MUCL tears, but it appears to be less effective in patients with previous surgery for MUCL repair or reconstruction.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:49:11 GMT -5
When the ligament is stretched, the most common procedure is reconstruction. There's no patting yourself on the back here. It's a pretty common fact. It's a pretty common fact that a lot of pitchers, including Chris Sale have gotten PRP injections without needing TJS. No it's not.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 15:50:08 GMT -5
I can think of no other explanation for this dichotomy other than how jealous we all are of your perfect opinions. My opinion isn't perfect, but when someone tells you a order to not make definitive statements based off of probability, I think it's *perfectly* fine to call them out on it. I didn't order anything. My specific words were "Respectfully asking". Now I won't be respectful about it: Stop making shit up. You make this board unreadable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 15:52:00 GMT -5
My opinion isn't perfect, but when someone tells you a order to not make definitive statements based off of probability, I think it's *perfectly* fine to call them out on it. I didn't order anything. My specific words were "Respectfully asking". Now I won't be respectful about it: Stop making shit up. It makes this board unreadable. I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 15:54:21 GMT -5
I didn't order anything. My specific words were "Respectfully asking". Now I won't be respectful about it: Stop making shit up. It makes this board unreadable. I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming. You said "There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation." Which you completely made up. You said I "ordered you" which I never did. You're making stuff up.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 15:58:47 GMT -5
I didn't order anything. My specific words were "Respectfully asking". Now I won't be respectful about it: Stop making shit up. It makes this board unreadable. I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming. Your position is noted.... repeatedly. It’s all Fake News andd Sad! We get it. Now please step away from keyboard, Mr. President.
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