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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -5
I'm not making anything up, is the thing. A lot of you want to just be positive about it, or just don't want to hear what's probably coming. You said "There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation." Which you completely made up. You said I "ordered you" which I never did. You're making stuff up. Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:03:15 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 16:03:15 GMT -5
You said "There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation." Which you completely made up. You said I "ordered you" which I never did. You're making stuff up. Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. You said it WASN'T used for anything but that. Which you made up.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:06:56 GMT -5
Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. You said it WASN'T used for anything but that. Which you made up. In Chris Sale's case it isn't. Sorry I'll be more specific next time.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 16:10:45 GMT -5
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5825339/Biologic Injections The use of biologic adjuncts is an area of increasing interest and promise for the treatment of many orthopedic injuries, and the UCL is no exception. One such therapy that has been proposed is platelet-rich plasma (PRP), which is an autologous blood product composed of an ultrafiltrate autologous whole blood with platelet concentrations generally 2.5 to 8.0 times higher than baseline [26]. Injections with PRP result in a multiple fold increase in the number of growth factors present such as platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF), vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF), and insulin-like growth factor (IFG). These growth factors help to recruit cells to stimulate angiogenesis and endothelial cell growth to increase blood flow, allowing the initiation of an accelerated healing cascade [26, 27]. While clinical results have been variable, PRP has been associated with improvement in elbow epicondylitis [28], Achilles tendon injuries [26], muscle strains [29], rotator cuff injuries [30], and medial collateral ligament tears of the knee [31]. Mishra et al. reported some of the most promising results regarding PRP therapy for lateral epicondylitis. This double-blinded, prospective randomized control trial evaluated pain relief after PRP injections at 12 and 24 weeks. While there were no statistical differences at 12 weeks, the pain improvement rate was significantly better in the PRP group compared to controls at 24 weeks. Residual pain was noted after 24 weeks in 54% of controls versus only 29% of patients receiving PRP [28]. The clinical use of PRP for treating UCL injuries was recently evaluated in 34 throwing athletes. In this study, all patients were diagnosed with partial thickness UCL tears on MRI and all failed 2 months of nonoperative management after attempting to return to competitive play. These athletes all received a single PRP injection performed under ultrasound guidance into the site of injury of the UCL followed by a guided physical therapy protocol. This protocol resulted in an 88% RTS at an average of 12 weeks. Additionally, medial humeral-ulnar joint space gapping with valgus stress decreased by 9 mm at final follow-up after PRP injection [32]. Similarly, Dines et al. reported results in 44 competitive baseball throwers with MRI evidence of either partial thickness UCL tears (n = 29 patients) or diffuse signal changes (n = 15 patients) [13]. All athletes had previously failed a comprehensive conservative treatment strategy that included rest, activity modification, use of anti-inflammatory medications, and physical therapy. After PRP injections, 73% of athletes reported favorable outcomes, and 67% of professional throwers were able to return to pre-injury level of competition. Notably, of the 29 patients with partial tears, 22 were proximal tears and 7 were distal tears. Distal tears resulted in a poor outcome in 100% of athletes, similar to the findings reported by Frangiamore who showed a 12.4 times greater chance of failure with nonoperative management with distal UCL tears [25]. Additionally, all 15 patients with diffuse changes reported favorable outcomes [13]. So clearly pedro is right, despite these research papers that state that 67% of professional throwers were able to avoid TJS after PRP injections.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 16:11:12 GMT -5
You said "There wouldn't be a PRP injection if it was just inflammation." Which you completely made up. You said I "ordered you" which I never did. You're making stuff up. Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS. I already said it a million times, PRP injections either work or they don't. I'm not wishing for Sale to get Tommy John surgery here, but I wouldn't bank in it if I was the Boston Red Sox in 2020. I have no idea what you're losing your mind with here.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 16:21:26 GMT -5
Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS. I already said it a million times, PRP injections either work or they don't. I'm not wishing for Sale to get Tommy John surgery here, but I wouldn't bank in it if I was the Boston Red Sox in 2020. I have no idea what you're losing your mind with here. They either work or they don’t.... yup, that checks out. Those are in fact the options. Congrats Dr. Kildare.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:23:01 GMT -5
I already said it a million times, PRP injections either work or they don't. I'm not wishing for Sale to get Tommy John surgery here, but I wouldn't bank in it if I was the Boston Red Sox in 2020. I have no idea what you're losing your mind with here. They either work or they don’t.... yup, that checks out. Those are in fact the options. Congrats Dr. Kildare. There are definitive examples of this. Cases they do work, Tanaka. Cases that don't, Richards and Ohtani. No in between examples here.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 16:31:40 GMT -5
They either work or they don’t.... yup, that checks out. Those are in fact the options. Congrats Dr. Kildare. There are definitive examples of this. Cases they do work, Tanaka. Cases that don't, Richards and Ohtani. No in between examples here. Obviously. As I wrote, those are the options. Like pregnancy. Ya is or ya ain’t.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 16:32:51 GMT -5
Not sure if posting stuff said by people who have direct knowledge of the situation is allowed. But here ya go:
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 16:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 16:37:15 GMT -5
Not sure if posting stuff said by people who have direct knowledge of the situation is allowed. But here ya go: Was this before or after he consulted Dr. Pedro?
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:42:34 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:42:34 GMT -5
Put your rose colored galsses on. If Sale wants to come out and spin this, that's fine.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 16:44:25 GMT -5
Not sure if posting stuff said by people who have direct knowledge of the situation is allowed. But here ya go: The ligament was probably stretched then, which would make sense, given the number of pitches he has thrown in his career.
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Post by swingingbunt on Aug 20, 2019 16:54:49 GMT -5
Put your rose colored galsses on. If Sale wants to come out and spin this, that's fine. You jumped the shark with this one man. Trolling is an art, and this is just sloppy
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 17:10:41 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 17:10:41 GMT -5
Put your rose colored galsses on. If Sale wants to come out and spin this, that's fine. You jumped the shark with this one man. Trolling is an art, and this is just sloppy Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 17:12:56 GMT -5
This is such a fun place. I love either accepting insanity as the absolute truth or arguing for thousands of posts.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2019 17:12:58 GMT -5
Chris Sale the pitcher, who's thrown a million pitches, had a procedure done that is more commonly used to fix ligaments, tendons, and joints. Saying that this procedure wasn't done because of inflammation is a 99 percent probability here and is perfectly acceptable thing to say in these circumstances. Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS. I just heard Chris Sale himself say he's never had a PRP injection before. Did he just misremember?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 20, 2019 17:14:01 GMT -5
Explain how Chris Sale had PRP injections in 2014 without needing TJS. I just heard Chris Sale himself say he's never had a PRP injection before. Did he just misremember? I don't f'ing know and I won't pretend to know what's in his mind like other people here.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 17:16:13 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2019 17:16:13 GMT -5
This is such a fun place. I love either accepting insanity as the absolute truth or arguing for thousands of posts. Apparently, Tony Mazz is arguing the same points Pedro is right now. He is playing sound bites from Sale and questioning why the offical releases never once stated surgery is completely off the table and believes he does have a partial tear. Just interesting how adamant he is about this. I don't think he's pushing disinformation, but maybe he is.
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2019 17:20:42 GMT -5
You jumped the shark with this one man. Trolling is an art, and this is just sloppy Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this. Honestly, this is the approach to reality that has the world in such a mess. Literally all evidence indicates he has an inflammation, but you would refute the only possible sources in favor of your dogma. Indeed, you accuse the main actor of dishonesty rather than conceding you are wrong. It is a terrifying, paranoid approach to the world fit only for InfoWars and other absurd corners of the internet. Sapere Aude! By the way: Sale not having social media is a plus in my eyes. Who needs one more narcissist on Twitter?
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Post by coachmac on Aug 20, 2019 17:26:33 GMT -5
This is such a fun place. I love either accepting insanity as the absolute truth or arguing for thousands of posts. Apparently, Tony Mazz is arguing the same points Pedro is right now. He is playing sound bites from Sale and questioning why the offical releases never once stated surgery is completely off the table and believes he does have a partial tear. Just interesting how adamant he is about this. I don't think he's pushing disinformation, but maybe he is. Chris Sale said there is no tear. He also said that this was his first PRP shot for his elbow. This should settle the debate. To argue he has a tear or has had a previous PRP shot in his elbow is to say Sale is lying.
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Sale to IL
Aug 20, 2019 17:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 20, 2019 17:28:12 GMT -5
Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this. Honestly, this is the approach to reality that has the world in such a mess. Literally all evidence indicates he has an inflammation, but you would refute the only possible sources in favor of your dogma. Indeed, you accuse the main actor of dishonesty rather than conceding you are wrong. It is a terrifying, paranoid approach to the world fit only for InfoWars and other absurd corners of the internet. Sapere Aude! By the way: Sale not having social media is a plus in my eyes. Who needs one more narcissist on Twitter? I think it's a fair point that no report has officially stated surgery is completely off the table. Sale didn't say that when he was asked. They just said they'll reevaluate in 6 weeks. I expect no surgery. I won't be shocked if he ends up needing it when they reevaluate. The expectation is that they're in the clear, but we'll know in 6 weeks.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 20, 2019 17:45:11 GMT -5
You jumped the shark with this one man. Trolling is an art, and this is just sloppy Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this. Maybe not on social media, but he does tell his family certain information, which they in turn have let others know about and seen in the future to have come true. Maybe they see this (if check this board) will stop this practice. Last year a relative of mine told me a certain fairly important item regarding Sale heard from a relative of Chris at a group meeting locally here (he has several family members here). Maybe keeping facts closer to the extreme inner circle would work best if secrecy is what he's after.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 20, 2019 17:57:10 GMT -5
Nothing about this is trolling. Sale is downplaying the extent of his injury, which he's done a million times in the past. Heck, we didn't know about the toe injury until 3 months afterwards because he doesn't like the media knowing about his personal stuff. The dude isn't even on social media, that's how much information he likes to put out there. This could still definitely be a stretched ligament and worry time. The Sox shouldn't bank on Chris Sale in 2020, despite his rosy comments today. Even the Boston Red Sox know this. Honestly, this is the approach to reality that has the world in such a mess. Literally all evidence indicates he has an inflammation, You mean the down peak and average velocity all season, plus PRP injection is just a sign of just inflammation? I honestly think this board will refute anything that's viewed as negative. Believe Sale in his word that it's just inflammation. I'm not going to do it. We can leave it at that and move on.
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