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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 12:52:01 GMT -5
I know the decision to let Garoppolo go was a wildly unpopular decision, but taking Sony Michel over Lamar Jackson at the end of the first round could be the decision that you can look back at for a long time. He was right there for the taking and you would have had control over him for 5 years and could have moved on from Brady at the end of this year.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 13:14:09 GMT -5
I know the decision to let Garoppolo go was a wildly unpopular decision, but taking Sony Michel over Lamar Jackson at the end of the first round could be the decision that you can look back at for a long time. He was right there for the taking and you would have had control over him for 5 years and could have moved on from Brady at the end of this year. That's one of those Mike Trout complaints where the entire league could have drafted him before he was drafted. If everyone knew at the time he would be as good as he is now, he would have gone #1 overall instead of #32. Hell, the Ravens didn't even draft him at #25, a pick they also had. They thought Hayden Hurst was a better pick than Jackson. Who are we rooting for in the Bills/Ravens game? It's a choice between the #1 seed overall that makes it harder to win the division and an almost certain division win and the #2 seed. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 13:31:18 GMT -5
I know the decision to let Garoppolo go was a wildly unpopular decision, but taking Sony Michel over Lamar Jackson at the end of the first round could be the decision that you can look back at for a long time. He was right there for the taking and you would have had control over him for 5 years and could have moved on from Brady at the end of this year. That's one of those Mike Trout complaints where the entire league could have drafted him before he was drafted. If everyone knew at the time he would be as good as he is now, he would have gone #1 overall instead of #32. Hell, the Ravens didn't even draft him at #25, a pick they also had. They thought Hayden Hurst was a better pick than Jackson. Who are we rooting for in the Bills/Ravens game? It's a choice between the #1 seed overall that makes it harder to win the division and an almost certain division win and the #2 seed. Jackson was contentious first round/early second round pick and Brady was 41 at the time. It's a very valid thing to bring up. The only thing that you can argue against is that Michel helped the Pats last year win in the playoffs last year, but he's proven be really average at best this year. Rooting for the Bills. They easily could lose their next 2 afterwards as they could win it. Allen isn't consistent. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 13:44:13 GMT -5
That's one of those Mike Trout complaints where the entire league could have drafted him before he was drafted. If everyone knew at the time he would be as good as he is now, he would have gone #1 overall instead of #32. Hell, the Ravens didn't even draft him at #25, a pick they also had. They thought Hayden Hurst was a better pick than Jackson. Who are we rooting for in the Bills/Ravens game? It's a choice between the #1 seed overall that makes it harder to win the division and an almost certain division win and the #2 seed. Jackson was contentious first round/early second round pick and Brady was 41 at the time. It's a very valid thing to bring up. The only thing that you can argue against is that Michel helped the Pats last year win in the playoffs last year, but he's proven be really average at best this year. Rooting for the Bills. They easily could lose their next 2 afterwards as they could win it. Allen isn't consistent. He's probably the MVP this season. Most teams would be better now with Jackson. It's not like the Pats screwed up more than any other team, especially teams like the Bengals, Broncos, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, Titans, Bears, Bucs, Steelers, Vikings, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, and probably another 6-7 teams. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 13:55:53 GMT -5
Jackson was contentious first round/early second round pick and Brady was 41 at the time. It's a very valid thing to bring up. The only thing that you can argue against is that Michel helped the Pats last year win in the playoffs last year, but he's proven be really average at best this year. Rooting for the Bills. They easily could lose their next 2 afterwards as they could win it. Allen isn't consistent. He's probably the MVP this season. Most teams would be better now with Jackson. It's not like the Pats screwed up more than any other team, especially teams like the Bengals, Broncos, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, Titans, Bears, Bucs, Steelers, Vikings, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, and probably another 6-7 teams. Some could have used Jackson, but backup QB was a clear need for the Pats and they chose Stidham. I don't care what other teams look like versus the Patriots either. If the Pats mess up, it's fair to discuss it on it's own merrit. They've had the best ever QB/coach combo for 20 years. Most mistakes get thrown under the rug when you have that. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -5
Some could have used the league MVP. *sigh*
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 14:30:40 GMT -5
Not every team had Lamar Jackson waiting for them with value at the end of the first round. He was there, sitting there and waiting. It's ridiculous how you attack everyone critical of the home team.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Dec 8, 2019 14:43:57 GMT -5
The Jackson conversation is interesting. I love to watch Jackson, but I don't regret passing on him (even if Michel wouldn't be the hindsight pick either).
Jackson can't run the Patriots offense. Building a unique offense around the second QB is very hard, and that's why you saw Jackson struggle last year running a combo of this year's offense and the Ravens/Flacco offense. I don't blame the Patriots for believing in their offensive system, and drafting Jackson meant scrapping their system. It's not an insult to say the Ravens were an ideal landing spot and it's unlikely the Patriots could've developed Jackson as quickly or as well. The Patriots strength is their coaching, but it's hard to develop a QB if you can't give him realistic reps. At best he'd be entering year 3 of his rookie deal before he had an opportunity to play, and even his practice reps would've been running the Patriots system, or some basic hybrid system they couldn't have adequately installed.
The other unknown is how Brady would've handled the team drafting a QB in the first round, or if they could've won the SB without Michel last year. There's no doubt the ground game was key, and maybe they would've acquired a similar talent to Michel later in the draft, but that's no lock. I'm not sure Bill wanted to push Brady at that time (coming off the Eagles SB loss, his FB documentary, and reports he threatened to retire if the club traded Gronk). The relationship between the organization and Tom is more volatile than ever, and after the Malcom Butler thing it was clear Bill tried to "win back" the veteran leadership of the team. When they drafted Jimmy G it seemed to motivate Tom, but the circumstances were different at that point, as back then Brady's play appeared to be declining. At the time Jackson was drafted, Brady felt like the coach and team let him down, both in the SB and by not extending his contract, and he felt like he was at the top of his game. It was the start of Brady leaking his frustrations to the media, and it has only intensified since then.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 14:49:44 GMT -5
Not every team had Lamar Jackson waiting for them with value at the end of the first round. He was there, sitting there and waiting. It's ridiculous how you attack everyone critical of the home team. He could have been drafted 1st overall and it would have been a great pick, using the hindsight that you are now using. It's ridiculous how critical you are of everything about every home team. If they did draft Lamar Jackson at #31, you'd probably be complaining that they didn't draft Tre Flowers before the 5th round. And for not having a perfect draft using hindsight in every prior season. I'm fine with critique. I just find using hindsight as the basis of critique to be stupid. It gives you an absolutely endless supply of things to bitch about. It's like all of the teams that passed on Brady before the 6th round. They're all idiots, along with the Patriots who waited that long to pick him. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 15:04:34 GMT -5
Not every team had Lamar Jackson waiting for them with value at the end of the first round. He was there, sitting there and waiting. It's ridiculous how you attack everyone critical of the home team. He could have been drafted 1st overall and it would have been a great pick, using the hindsight that you are now using. It's ridiculous how critical you are of everything about every home team. If they did draft Lamar Jackson at #31, you'd probably be complaining that they didn't draft Tre Flowers before the 5th round. And for not having a perfect draft using hindsight in every prior season. I'm fine with critique. I just find using hindsight as the basis of critique to be stupid. It gives you an absolutely endless supply of things to bitch about. It's like all of the teams that passed on Brady before the 6th round. They're all idiots, along with the Patriots who waited that long to pick him. Lamar Jackson was a project that needed a year to get accustomed to the league. Hence why he was a late first round/second round projection. It's not hindsight. People at the time of the draft was using the Lamar Jackson watch with the Patriots pick. He worked out with the Pats too. The very possibility was real due to the first round rules of getting the 5th year control of a player with the first round. Hence why the Ravens were smart enough to move up and draft him at the very last pick of the first round last year. I'm not always critical either. You LOOK for a reason to attack someone when they are. "If you don't have anything nice to say," well you can finish the rest of the sentence. You're not fine with critiques if you're picking and chosing when people should be critiquing. The Patriots were smart to draft Tom Brady when they did 20 years ago. How about that? Now block me please or I will. |
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Post by costpet on Dec 8, 2019 15:15:16 GMT -5
With the way Jackson runs with the ball, they could have drafted him and used him as a back out of the backfield. Put him in open space and watch him run through everybody. Use him as a scout teams QB for running QB's. He would have fit in well. Then, when Brady retires, he already knows the system and they know his strengths. I have perfect hindsight. lol
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 8, 2019 15:33:03 GMT -5
Not sure BB would ever embrace using Jackson the way Harbough is to fit his talents. If you look at the history of QB's like him their is a lot of risk they won't last a full season and that is how BB looks at it. He always says if the QB wants to run just keep hitting they will go down at some point.
Not only that if you just look back to last year it looked like Lamar was just terrible throwing the ball. He will get blown up at some point. I do have to say though, he is the quickest and hardest to line up I have ever seen. He is a human highlight film right now..
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 15:47:33 GMT -5
Sean Peyton is the biggest jackass coach in football and there is a lot of competition. I love seeing him lose. 49ers/Saints game is pretty good.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 8, 2019 16:07:27 GMT -5
Baltimore D doing everything they canto give the Bills the game, 60 yards of penalties on this last drive.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 16:19:56 GMT -5
46-45 Saints over 49ers with 45 seconds left and 2 timeouts for the 9ers. Saints got a gift pass interference on their last drive on an uncatchable ball.
The Saints DB just committed the most ridiculous face mask I've ever seen. He held onto it yanking for 20 yards. 49ers about to win after a 39 yard catch and run by Kittle plus the 15 yard facemask.
Oh yeah, that was on a 4th and 2.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 16:26:40 GMT -5
Bills lose at the most predictable time. Thanks Buffalo.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 16:33:28 GMT -5
That was a very different, but very well executed flea flicker. Brady's best ball all year arguably.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2019 16:33:36 GMT -5
Sanders had 7 receptions 157 yards and a touchdown.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2019 16:36:21 GMT -5
Let's see how our D does, it was built for a team like the Chiefs.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2019 16:37:52 GMT -5
21 interceptions is so ridiculous.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 16:40:43 GMT -5
One completion. Two pass interference plays. One nice big yard TD play. Maybe 5 rushing yards. That's the offense through two drives.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 17:03:17 GMT -5
Best looking drive the Patriots have had in a while, and they still screw it up.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 8, 2019 17:12:29 GMT -5
Jones is a liability.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 17:13:42 GMT -5
Patriots will be lucky to not be playing on wild card weekend with the 2 seed. They're about to mess that up too.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 8, 2019 17:17:37 GMT -5
Brady doesn't trust anyone on our garbage receiving core besides Edelman and tries to force it in to him. Easy interception by KC.
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