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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2019 15:46:23 GMT -5
Lol, do you expect the Pats to get treated the same? Because they didn't for a equipment violation over deflategate. Not to mention that the prior offenses of breaking the rules doesn't make things better for the past. Until we get more information, this doesn't even reach the level of the Denver scandal. That was team personal knowingly breaking the rules. The video crew shooting the video are they team personal from our video department or just an outside crew hired to make a series for the website? Why did they do it? Did they know it was wrong? We're they ordered to do it? Have they done it before? Right now yeah I think it's a fine because it did happen, but 100% believe Bill he didn't order it or even know about it. I won't reach your level till I see information that proves otherwise. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 10, 2019 15:57:45 GMT -5
Lol, do you expect the Pats to get treated the same? Because they didn't for a equipment violation over deflategate. Not to mention that the prior offenses of breaking the rules doesn't make things better for the past. Until we get more information, this doesn't even reach the level of the Denver scandal. That was team personal knowingly breaking the rules. The video crew shooting the video are they team personal from our video department or just an outside crew hired to make a series for the website? Why did they do it? Did they know it was wrong? We're they ordered to do it? Have they done it before? Right now yeah I think it's a fine because it did happen, but 100% believe Bill he didn't order it or even know about it. I won't reach your level till I see information that proves otherwise. Hope you're right, but yeah considering past circumstances, I don't believe you one bit. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2019 17:39:38 GMT -5
And I thought I was cynical.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 10, 2019 18:24:56 GMT -5
It's a disease that spreads.
I mean really for the conspiracy theory people out there the refs must have had millions on the Chiefs the other day by the way they called the game.
If we are going to be cynical we might as well be conspiracy theorists also, they go hand in hand.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2019 18:47:57 GMT -5
The Video crew were independent contractors, not involved with the Patriot football department. Hence they wouldn't know NFL rules about video taping from certain location.
Like Peter King said in an interview, if it's as the Patriots have said, they get a fine of a few hundred thousand and that's it. This only gets worse if there is more to the story.
It's just a horrible look for the Patriots and will bring out the trolls in full force.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 10, 2019 18:53:47 GMT -5
And I thought I was cynical. Sorry if deflategate has me rightfully worried about the Pats getting the hammer, because you know, that happened. |
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 11, 2019 1:10:07 GMT -5
I don't believe the Pats were doing anything nefarious, but I'm a fan of the team and will of course believe that. As obvious as it may be to us (especially since teams don't really even use signals anymore), there are still tweets like the one below that make this look worse than it really is. Link to Tweet |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 11, 2019 8:33:46 GMT -5
The Video crew were independent contractors, not involved with the Patriot football department. Hence they wouldn't know NFL rules about video taping from certain location. Like Peter King said in an interview, if it's as the Patriots have said, they get a fine of a few hundred thousand and that's it. This only gets worse if there is more to the story. It's just a horrible look for the Patriots and will bring out the trolls in full force. The counter to the first part is that the Scout, who was there as well, would 100% know the NFL rules about video taping from certain locations. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2019 17:02:24 GMT -5
The Video crew were independent contractors, not involved with the Patriot football department. Hence they wouldn't know NFL rules about video taping from certain location. Like Peter King said in an interview, if it's as the Patriots have said, they get a fine of a few hundred thousand and that's it. This only gets worse if there is more to the story. It's just a horrible look for the Patriots and will bring out the trolls in full force. The counter to the first part is that the Scout, who was there as well, would 100% know the NFL rules about video taping from certain locations. That would be true if they were right next to each other, were they? That would be true if it happened the whole game, but recent reports say they had filmed 8 minutes before they were stopped. The scout was there to scout, I can certainly see him not paying attention to the filming crew for a short period of time while he did his job. I mean another high tanking team guy said this exact same thing happened to his team with a third party camera crew. You never heard about because it was just a mistake and no big deal. But man now it's the Patriots so it's some grand scheme even though if you look at it logically it makes zero sense. It's the Bengals, they went through proper channels to shoot, guys wearing a f...ing Patriot shirt, he leaves his monitor open so everyone can see what he's filming. Like come on now, it makes zero sense. Like an article said the crazy smart Bill if he wanted to do this, wouldn't be this stupid. It's like a team deflating footballs on the sidelines while everyone is watching. It makes zero sense all the way around. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 11, 2019 17:52:01 GMT -5
Lol, do you expect the Pats to get treated the same? Because they didn't for a equipment violation over deflategate. Not to mention that the prior offenses of breaking the rules doesn't make things better for the past. Any one think I'm paranoid now? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 11, 2019 18:14:05 GMT -5
Yes, that was a given. We won't get the fines that Denver got, that was always a given. They got what a $100,000, ours will be a lot harsher. Heck worst case unless there is a lot more to the story we might lose a lower pick due to our history.
Get back to us if we lose a first round pick, then you can say you were right.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 11, 2019 18:57:50 GMT -5
I do find it mind numbing how this team keeps shooting themselves in the foot because they can't help themselves to try and bend the rules. If they lose yet another pick or two, then that will be what, 5 or 6 picks loss due to this the past 15 years.
You can't be a homer with this team and say "you can't really question what they do wrong." Even during their dynasty years, they've done plenty of things really the wrong way.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2019 4:47:35 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 12, 2019 5:01:04 GMT -5
I do find it mind numbing how this team keeps shooting themselves in the foot because they can't help themselves to try and bend the rules. If they lose yet another pick or two, then that will be what, 5 or 6 picks loss due to this the past 15 years. You can't be a homer with this team and say "you can't really question what they do wrong." Even during their dynasty years, they've done plenty of things really the wrong way. What exactly are you talking about? You have Spy Gate, yup we did that. What else have we done? There are a million crazy made up stories that aren't true. Every team that has lost to us has some crazy theory to explain why they lost. Heck people still say we cheated because of the tuck rule, like we some how got them to make up a stupid rule. The average football fan believes these and really thinks we've cheated for decades. We haven't, people just can't take us winning so much. I really don't see how I'm being a homer on this given the facts. If I thought it was true I wouldn't have a problem with Bill being suspended the rest of this year and all of next year. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 12, 2019 7:45:36 GMT -5
The counter to the first part is that the Scout, who was there as well, would 100% know the NFL rules about video taping from certain locations. ? That would be true if it happened the whole game, but recent reports say they had filmed 8 minutes before they were stopped. The scout was there to scout, I can certainly see him not paying attention to the filming crew for a short period of time while he did his job. I mean another high tanking team guy said this exact same thing happened to his team with a third party camera crew. You never heard about because it was just a mistake and no big deal. But man now it's the Patriots so it's some grand scheme even though if you look at it logically it makes zero sense. It's the Bengals, they went through proper channels to shoot, guys wearing a f...ing Patriot shirt, he leaves his monitor open so everyone can see what he's filming. Like come on now, it makes zero sense. Like an article said the crazy smart Bill if he wanted to do this, wouldn't be this stupid. It's like a team deflating footballs on the sidelines while everyone is watching. It makes zero sense all the way around. According to Jeff Howe, they were. I don't mean to sound like I think this is a big deal. Just intending to site the information out there that the NFL could use to poke holes in Pats argument should they choose to come down harder. EDIT - In a new post, Howe highlights how the scout could (and likely did) miss what the crew was filming. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 12, 2019 7:51:49 GMT -5
I do find it mind numbing how this team keeps shooting themselves in the foot because they can't help themselves to try and bend the rules. If they lose yet another pick or two, then that will be what, 5 or 6 picks loss due to this the past 15 years. You can't be a homer with this team and say "you can't really question what they do wrong." Even during their dynasty years, they've done plenty of things really the wrong way. I will never stop believing that the worst 2 things New England did wrong were: 1. Screw up the NFL's attempts at parity (if this was a middling-to-worse team, these wouldn't be the issues they are today). 2. They broke the rule of disrespecting other coaches so those teams has ZERO issue with "snitching" We've have several documented cases of other teams doing what the Patriots do or have done (or similar). When it's called out (IF it's called out) it has rarely been treated like this. I'm not saying the don't bring it on themselves. They do. But the biggest "violations" they've committed (ie that which makes them stand out from all the other teams who "cheat") is being too successful and being too arrogant about it. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 12, 2019 15:07:29 GMT -5
Is it really arrogance or perceived arrogance based on the unheralded success?
I do not perceive anybody with the Patriots as being truly arrogant, am I a blind homer. Brady isn't at all, the players aren't. Can the way BB deals with the media be construed as arrogant, if you think so I disagree. It is his strategy based on many years of experience, going back to Cleveland.
If anyone is arrogant it is some fans.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 12, 2019 15:21:27 GMT -5
I think BB can be a real #$@! to his peers. Is arrogance the right word? Maybe not.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 11:04:34 GMT -5
I think BB can be a real #$@! to his peers. Is arrogance the right word? Maybe not. Their is that from what we can see but he looks at them as his competition right. Their are also the guys out there who talk glowingly about him when he opens up. He helped John Harbaugh get his job in Baltimore, think maybe he regrets that? LOL He has helped a lot of coaches. Even told Demetrioff not too trade up to get Julio Jones, was wrong on that one. Either way I think the Pats have been about as gracious as you can be in football while being on top of the league for so long, then again I am biased. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 11:06:07 GMT -5
Will the Pats get Harry some touches today? I sure hope so, perfect opportunity to get him going. How about a jet sweep.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 15, 2019 13:08:15 GMT -5
Will the Pats get Harry some touches today? I sure hope so, perfect opportunity to get him going. How about a jet sweep. Good call. 5th play of the game for 10 yards. This game isn't going to tell anyone anything. The Bengals are so awful. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 13:09:21 GMT -5
Bengals are terrible, no way the Pats are this good all of a sudden.
That jet sweep was easy enough.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 15, 2019 13:19:30 GMT -5
What happened to Jones on that TD?
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 13:36:48 GMT -5
What happened to Jones on that TD? Bad positioning, breaking down. |
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 15, 2019 13:38:33 GMT -5
Lol the Bengals giving the Pats a run for their money. Great Pats, lose this game and play on wild card weekend soon enough in the playoffs.
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