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2019 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by telson13 on Oct 29, 2019 23:09:36 GMT -5
I've learned to hate Houston a lot more than I did a few weeks ago. They're getting right up there with the Ravens, Giants, Cowboys and Yankees. Lol...Ravens. The worst, outside of the usual suspects. Agreed, mostly, though I don’t hate the Giants. They beat the Pats fair and square. Got lucky sure, but the Pats coughed it up. 2007 actually changed my Pats fandom permanently. Like getting cheated on...just never the same.
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Post by 75tillnow on Oct 29, 2019 23:10:21 GMT -5
Just saw that no team has won the world series by winning all 4 of their games on the road. That might change. Kinda a cool stat. I wonder how many times the road team won the first 6 games of the World Series to even attempt that 7th game. This sure does feel rare. Was able to find an article (attached below) that says that there have been 3 times in history that the first 5 games of the WS were won by the away team. But I haven'f been able to confirm that the away team won the first six games. Maybe someone on the board can find that out. At any rate, no away team has won all 4 games. I don't really have a dog in this race, but it'd be cool to see that happen. www.chicagotribune.com/sports/national-sports/sns-mlb-world-series-road-teams-win-first-astros-nationals-20191028-jmzz5p4pqbdajgjuaz5a4l5b7m-story.html
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 29, 2019 23:12:11 GMT -5
Well to be obvious, the only way to win 4 away games is for every team to win every away game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 29, 2019 23:23:39 GMT -5
Because of the away game thing, I'm now rooting for the Nats because that would be cool. Up until now, I was split.
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Post by p23w on Oct 29, 2019 23:34:21 GMT -5
Sherzer Vs. Greinke. Holy guacamole! I'm liking this match up too. For the finale I want a close game. Don't care if it is 2-1 or 9-8. Fine by me if the last 6 batters get K'd a-la Red Sox and Dodgers.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 29, 2019 23:36:11 GMT -5
Just saw that no team has won the world series by winning all 4 of their games on the road. That might change. Kinda a cool stat. I wonder how many times the road team won the first 6 games of the World Series to even attempt that 7th game. This sure does feel rare. Fox graphic: there have been 1,420 seven-game series across MLB, NBA, and NHL and this is the first ever with road wins in the first six games.
BTW, the first of the two preceding MLB series with 5 straight road wins, in 1906, was the Cubs vs. the White Sox. So that doesn't really count, as there were presumably fans of both clubs in nearly equal attendance at every game.
Tomorrow's game is not only going to be epic, it presents the film group that I'm now co-leading (after the passing of co-founder David Kleiler, the guy who saved the Coolidge Corner Theatre in Brookline from demolition) with a dilemma. We're scheduled to see and discuss a flick (Local Hero), but the presenter's husband is (like me) both a hardcore cinephile and a baseball fanatic. I suspect they will cancel, in which case I'll invite group members to my place. That will be fun!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 30, 2019 0:03:26 GMT -5
The games haven't exactly been riveting as there's been 1 game decided by 1 run and that was the only game where the game wasn't already decided before the 9th inning, which was Game 1. The 12-3 Nats win and 7-2 Nats win were close games until the 7th.
But here we are - going to a 7th game and who could ask for more?
I just hope that Game 7 is riveting and yeah, I'm hoping the Nats win, but honestly, I think it's unfathomable that all 7 games could be won on the road. I just can't see it so I'm going with Houston, also considering that we don't know how healthy Scherzer is. That plus Cole would be coming in to relieve for Houston in Game 7 which is tougher for the Nats than Corbin and/or Sanchez coming in for Washington to pitch in relief.
Actually, it's now 8 straight World Series games won by the road team as the Red Sox won the final two games in LA last year.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 30, 2019 0:12:06 GMT -5
Because of the away game thing, I'm now rooting for the Nats because that would be cool. Up until now, I was split. I almost always root for the AL team out of league pride. But I've been rooting for the Nats for several reasons:
1) I don't want the Astros winning two of three WS and being remembered as the great team of this stretch in time, eclipsing our utter dominance last year 2) The Washington (and Expos!) fans deserve a championship 3) The Nats were very nice to SABR when we had our annual meeting in DC, giving us an extensive ballpark tour and a Q&A session
This started out as a 60 / 40 leaning, but it has become all in. When they brought back the ugliness of the Osuna thing, that strengthened it, and like you, I find it impossible not to root for the historic event.
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To reiterate, every time since 1991 that the road team won game 6 to force a game 7 has been memorable:
1997 WS: After the Indians win game 6, Jose Mesa blows the save and the Marlins walk it off in the 11th on Edgar Renteria's ground ball up the middle.
2003 NLCS: Not Steve Bartman's fault. I'd forgotten that in Game 7, the Cubs had a 78% Win Probability when they were leading 5-3 in the 4th.
2003 ALCS: Grady Little's fault.
2004 ALCS: The only one of the these game 7's that was a laugher -- Sox had a 91% WP by the top of the second. We hope tomorrow will be more dramatic!
2008 ALCS: See below ...
2016 WS: Cubs redemption. So three of these 6 game 7's have gone into extra innings, which is remarkable.
After the '08 series, I asked myself the question, when Josh Beckett gets hit hard early (which I defined objectively before looking at the data), how often does he turn it around? What's his expected ERA after that? The answers: almost never. Very high. Had I thought of doing that study before the post-season, I think it's reasonably likely that Tito takes out him out earlier in game 2 and we win it ... in which case maybe we win the series in game 6. OTOH, it seems possible that if the series were tied after 4 instead of the Rays being up 3 games to 1, Joe Maddon is more aggressive with his bullpen in game 5 and we don't come back from a 1% WP ... in which case games 6 and 7 would play out exactly as they did.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 30, 2019 0:39:54 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Oct 30, 2019 4:23:53 GMT -5
He really likes beer. I hope Bud rewards him appropriately. In terms of marketing, I wonder if Schlitz or Gansett had Bud’s All-American name would they now be as popular. Dilly dilly. Of note, Sox management expressed some hope that the series would get to 7 games, giving the new leadership a bit more time to plan for JDM and 2020. So this is a good start to their post season. Cheers to the Nats.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 6:32:38 GMT -5
Hopefully Scherzer is okay and the Nats can get to Greinke early. Cole will be a huge weapon coming out of the bullpen. Don’t want to see Cole come in protecting a lead in the middle innings.
Go Nats.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 30, 2019 7:07:48 GMT -5
Finally catching up on last night, and I just wanted to send a reminder that MLB umps are the worst human beings on the planet.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 30, 2019 7:23:04 GMT -5
Hopefully Scherzer is okay and the Nats can get to Greinke early. Joe Ross will be a huge weapon coming out of the bullpen. want to see Ross come in protecting a lead in the middle innings.
Go Nats.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 30, 2019 8:14:38 GMT -5
Looks like poor footwork for both right-handed firstbasemen, Zimmerman & Gurriel.
As a lefty, I always planted my left foot on the bag, so I could stretch with my glove side. Right-handers should plant their right foot to stretch with their left side.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 30, 2019 8:30:02 GMT -5
Phil Hughes reply to an Alex Rodriguez tweet:
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 30, 2019 8:48:47 GMT -5
He even had the labels pointed outward! That's hilarious.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 30, 2019 11:39:35 GMT -5
WS Game 7 after the home team has missed a chance to win in 6 have been reasonably great.
1926: Home team Yankees trail the Cardinals 3-2 in the bottom of the 7th and load the bases with 2 outs. Pete Alexander relieves Jesse Haines and fans Tony Lazzeri. He then retires 8 guys before walking Babe Ruth, who promptly tries to steal second and gets thrown out (only WS to end on a CS, I believe). I had forgotten that both of these famous events were in the same game!
1931: Cardinals at home take an early 4-0 lead, but the A's score twice in the 9th and have Max Bishop up as the go-ahead run. Bill Hallahan relieves Burleigh Grimes and gets him to fly out to CF.
1934: Cardiinals score 7 times in the 3rd off four Tigers' pitchers (including Elden Auker, Schoolboy Rowe, and Tommy Bridges) and win 11-0.
1947: Visiting Dodgers go up 2-0 in the second and have men on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out (78% Win Probability). They strand them and lose 5-2 to the Yankees.
1952: Yankees score lone runs in the top of the 4th and 5th and each time the Dodgers tie it. Mantle homers in the top of the 6th and knocks in another in the 7th. In the bottom half, the Dodgers load the bases with one out, and soft-tossing southpaw Bob Kuzava, who had been the Yankees 5th starter in June and July (and whom I had never heard of until just now) relieves Vic Raschi and gets Duke Snider and Jackie Robinson to pop up. He then gets the rest of the lineup to go 0 for 7, including Roy Campanella, Carl Furillo, Gil Hodges (who reaches on an error), and Pee Wee Reese to end it. And the Yankees had Johnny Sain as their closer!
People remember that Series for Hodges going 0 for 21 and they remember that 7th inning for Billy Martin running in from 2B and diving to catch Robinson's wind-blown popup and preventing the tying run from scoring. Kuzava, whose relief effort was more impressive than Pete Alexander's, is forgotten. He pitched for 7 teams from '46 to '57 while compiling 5.3 bWAR. Alexander had more.
1958: Visiting Yankees lead the Braves 2-1 after 2, Braves tie it in the 6th when Del Crandall homers off of Bob Turley. Yanks score in the 8th and then Bill Skowron hits a 3-run bomb to blow it open.
1964: Cardinals at home score 3 each in the 4th and 5th. Clete Boyer and Phil Linz both homer off Bob Gibson in the 9th, but the Yankees never get closer than the 7-5 final. Times were different, eh?
1968: Cardinals once again at home; Gibson has a 1-htter through 6. Mickey Lolich gives up 4 singles and 2 walks, but gets a GDP (first of 7 straight GB's for outs) and picks off both Lou Brock and Curt Flood in the 6th. Gibson gets the first 2 guys in the 7th and then gives up 3 runs on 4 straight hits, the big blow being Jim Northrup's triple. Lolich loses the shutout with 2 outs in a 4-1 victory.
1979: Home team O's score in the 3rd when Rich Dauer homers off of Jim Bibby, Pirates answer in the 6th when Willie Stargell hits a 2-run bomb off of Scott McGregor. In the bottom of the 8th, O's get 2 on with 1 out and Kent Tekulve comes in and gets Terry Crowley, who moves both runners over. He walks Ken Singelton to pitch to Eddie Murray, who jacks one to deep right; Dave Parker stumbles but makes an over the shoulder catch (making him the retrospective anti-Nelson Cruz) and the Pirates add two insurance runs in the top of the 9th.
You remember, I bet, the 1997 and 2016 series ... both extra-inning wins, for the home team Marlins and visiting Cubs respectively.
That's 11 games and just 2 without much drama ('34 and '64). Seven were tight all the way, and '31 got tight at the end, while '47 had drama early.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 30, 2019 11:45:03 GMT -5
Because of the away game thing, I'm now rooting for the Nats because that would be cool. Up until now, I was split. I almost always root for the AL team out of league pride. But I've been rooting for the Nats for several reasons:
1) I don't want the Astros winning two of three WS and being remembered as the great team of this stretch in time, eclipsing our utter dominance last year 2) The Washington (and Expos!) fans deserve a championship 3) The Nats were very nice to SABR when we had our annual meeting in DC, giving us an extensive ballpark tour and a Q&A session This started out as a 60 / 40 leaning, but it has become all in. When they brought back the ugliness of the Osuna thing, that strengthened it, and like you, I find it impossible not to root for the historic event. --- To reiterate, every time since 1991 that the road team won game 6 to force a game 7 has been memorable: 1997 WS: After the Indians win game 6, Jose Mesa blows the save and the Marlins walk it off in the 11th on Edgar Renteria's ground ball up the middle. 2003 NLCS: Not Steve Bartman's fault. I'd forgotten that in Game 7, the Cubs had a 78% Win Probability when they were leading 5-3 in the 4th.
2003 ALCS: Grady Little's fault. 2004 ALCS: The only one of the these game 7's that was a laugher -- Sox had a 91% WP by the top of the second. We hope tomorrow will be more dramatic! 2008 ALCS: See below ... 2016 WS: Cubs redemption. So three of these 6 game 7's have gone into extra innings, which is remarkable.
After the '08 series, I asked myself the question, when Josh Beckett gets hit hard early (which I defined objectively before looking at the data), how often does he turn it around? What's his expected ERA after that? The answers: almost never. Very high. Had I thought of doing that study before the post-season, I think it's reasonably likely that Tito takes out him out earlier in game 2 and we win it ... in which case maybe we win the series in game 6. OTOH, it seems possible that if the series were tied after 4 instead of the Rays being up 3 games to 1, Joe Maddon is more aggressive with his bullpen in game 5 and we don't come back from a 1% WP ... in which case games 6 and 7 would play out exactly as they did.
Same with me as far as the rooting for the AL, with the exception of when the Yankees are involved and I was rooting for the Cubs a few years back because of Red Sox fan empathy. This year, I was maybe 60-40 Astros low because of Osuma but that went down fast, into I don't care territory when it became apparent that the issue is systemic. Now though, I want to see the road team take all 7 games which has to be a very remote probability, less than 1% without even including the likelihood of a seven game series or the home field advantage odds.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 30, 2019 20:23:32 GMT -5
Seriously: GO NATS!!!!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 30, 2019 20:32:54 GMT -5
I've learned to hate Houston a lot more than I did a few weeks ago. They're getting right up there with the Ravens, Giants, Cowboys and Yankees. They have eliminated the Yankees 3 times in the last 5 years based on that fact alone they are my second favorite team(although I’m rooting hard for the Nats tonight)
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 30, 2019 20:41:58 GMT -5
Umpire calls a pitch that’s in the other batters box (overhead cam) a strike which completely changes that entire Zimmermanp at bat.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 30, 2019 21:30:17 GMT -5
Wow
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 30, 2019 21:30:47 GMT -5
FUCK YES THAT WAS AWESOME
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 30, 2019 21:32:32 GMT -5
Amazing. That *clank* sound was beautiful.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 21:37:35 GMT -5
Oh, please finish this Nats.
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