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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 17, 2019 9:32:49 GMT -5
Ok who would have ever predicted the Bucks 18 game winning streak would end at home to a Dallas team playing their first game with out Doncic? And what does that wednesday game look like now for the C's? That is one hell of an upset. But the Bucks had no idea what to expect from that team playing wo him, they just decided to chuck up a bunch of 3's and then hit them. Good example as to how important hitting the 3 ball is in this era. When a team gets hot from 3 they can beat any other team if they aren’t also hit. That’s just how the NBA is. Most of these guys are capable of going off - that’s how they got here. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 17, 2019 9:42:03 GMT -5
Games Played Together (sorry, it's actually 6 games): Game 1: Walker (12), Brown (8), Hayward (25), Tatum (21) Game 2: Walker (22), Brown (25), Hayward (15), Tatum (25) Game 3: Walker (32), Brown (19), Hayward (9), Tatum (15) Game 22: Walker (22), Brown (20), Hayward (14), Tatum (19) Game 23: Walker (44), Brown (18), Hayward (9), Tatum (16) Game 24: Walker (29), Brown (8), Hayward (19), Tatum (15). So they've actually only had 1 game where even 3 players got over 20PPG. Now that's not to say that they would all have to play together all the time for your statement to be true. That's definitely not my point here. But this trend would certainly suggest the decreased likelihood that 4 20PPG scorers will happen. To further the point, in the 6 games played together: - 1 of the 4 took fewer than 10 shots in 3 of them. - 1 took exactly 10 2 times - 1 took 12 once So 1 player of the 4 is clearly deferring when they are all active for the same game. That trend is likely to continue as they play together more (it would be very difficult for it not too). So while the real point is that they have 4 guys who are capable of scoring at a high clip (even if not yet consistently), the fact that (at one point) they had 4 so close to 20PPG is more contextual than historical. Hence my starting this conversation with "has it been done"? Not easy, not likely and probably never been done. But as I also said their is a lot of room for improvement so is it possible. If they were to get there the efficiency would have to go way up and they would have to be able to score the 80 on 50 shots per game. Right now they are averaging 80 on 63 shots. This all becomes more feasible when Brown and Tatum start getting to the line ALOT more. Maybe they don't all average 20 but between them 80+ with greater efficiency is certainly in the future. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 17, 2019 9:53:49 GMT -5
I don't think it's likely (I won't say impossible) bc you'd need all 4 to consistently maintain a level of efficiency AND usage that just doesn't seem maintainable with all active for a large number of games.
That's really why I was trying to steer your point away from the historical notion of "4 players averaging 20PPG" towards the larger (and still very exciting) point that they have 4 guys who are above average scorers.
That being said, I've probably gone too far down this road when, again, I agree with your larger and equally exciting point.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 17, 2019 9:55:29 GMT -5
Ok who would have ever predicted the Bucks 18 game winning streak would end at home to a Dallas team playing their first game with out Doncic? And what does that wednesday game look like now for the C's? That is one hell of an upset. But the Bucks had no idea what to expect from that team playing wo him, they just decided to chuck up a bunch of 3's and then hit them. Good example as to how important hitting the 3 ball is in this era. When a team gets hot from 3 they can beat any other team if they aren’t also hit. That’s just how the NBA is. Most of these guys are capable of going off - that’s how they got here. Zinger was literally flinging 40 foot threes and hitting them. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 17, 2019 14:31:03 GMT -5
Crazy is right, the Grizz have won 4 out of 5 and just won against the Heat.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 17, 2019 14:49:17 GMT -5
Crazy is right, the Grizz have won 4 out of 5 and just won against the Heat. When the pick conveys, get ready for a point guard. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 17, 2019 14:59:11 GMT -5
Crazy is right, the Grizz have won 4 out of 5 and just won against the Heat. When the pick conveys, get ready for a point guard. Best player available, if that's a PG I'm fine with that. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 17, 2019 14:59:38 GMT -5
Crazy is right, the Grizz have won 4 out of 5 and just won against the Heat. When the pick conveys, get ready for a point guard. Danny will trade back and get the better player plus a future 1st.  |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 17, 2019 17:18:08 GMT -5
He does have a history of that. Yes, best player available and yeah that's crazy. Do they need size at PG?
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Post by texs31 on Dec 17, 2019 20:38:03 GMT -5
Lot of lead guards at or near the top. Ball, Anthony (injury depending) and Mannion. Even Edwards is listed as a CG in some reports. They will all be gone early.
Hayes, Maledon and Hampton (CG) all seem to be in the mid to late lottery range.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 18, 2019 15:45:39 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 18, 2019 19:21:33 GMT -5
Vernon Carey... that’s high for him |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 18, 2019 20:54:54 GMT -5
I've been out on Draftnet for a couple of years now. ESPN's coverage is fantastic since acquiring Draft Express (and we no longer have discussions interrupted by WCPs claims that Chad Ford is actually the Devil).
Also think Wasserman has greatly improved Bleacher Reports coverage.
Vecenie (now at the Athletic) is another goto for me.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 18, 2019 22:47:45 GMT -5
First game this season that truly annoyed me. I've been frustrated and disappointed at times, but ANNOYED was a first. No plan on offense, terrible defense, can't pick up rebounds, a lot of individual errors. Then it got a lot better by the later half of the second quarter, they got back to playing smart and intense. Still, scary stuff how lost they looked for some minutes. Last season levels of lost.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 19, 2019 0:06:57 GMT -5
Tatum is really a tremendous defensive player. He's gotten so much stronger, and he is such a good defensive rebounder for a wing. It seems like every game he comes down with a couple really tough, contested rebounds.
Awesome to see Jaylen go 8-8 from the free throw line.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 19, 2019 0:33:31 GMT -5
Tremendous stuff tonight. On the night that I felt the worst about this team (during a long stretch in the 2nd and some minutes in the 3rd) that I did all season long, they also made me feel very confident again. I thought Brad did a hell of a job with the rotations in the second half, he played to win the game. Brown and Tatum spaced the court beautifully. And Kemba is just a crazy dude, seriously guy misses some gimmes and stroll back the court laughing. Dude's messed up, that's awesome. But yeah, this one was a team effort of Kemba starting, Tatum and Brown keeping it up and then Kemba ending. And they had to dig deep because it got dicey at times. And they responded by closing the defense and moving the ball on offense.
Very impressed with the Mavs as well. Very feisty, very well coached, some good players, they're legit. As it is with Doncic healthy, I don't think they're quite up there with the Clippers and Lakers, but I can see them beating Houston and Denver.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 19, 2019 5:52:04 GMT -5
Kemba took over that 4th quarter last night. The Mavs just couldn't stop the pick and roll with the ball in Kemba's hands.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2019 8:15:59 GMT -5
Glad Phil mentioned this. After Browns 8-8 night he’s now averaging 4 attempts per game and hitting them at a 76% clip. That’s an amazing development. I expect him to be up around 6 attempts per game if he can keep his percentage above 75%. Should give him more confidence.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2019 8:49:12 GMT -5
I've been out on Draftnet for a couple of years now. ESPN's coverage is fantastic since acquiring Draft Express (and we no longer have discussions interrupted by WCPs claims that Chad Ford is actually the Devil). Also think Wasserman has greatly improved Bleacher Reports coverage. Vecenie (now at the Athletic) is another goto for me. I have to go back and look at my old spreadsheets (yeah, it's a little sad) but I was just looking at Drafnet's historical mock drafts and I'm pretty sure he's changed them to make them look better. I say that bc he's almost ALWAYS had some wildcard guys high up in his rankings/mocks (much like Toppin and Carey are in the latest, albeit still very early, mock draft). However, when you look now you see that everyone is either spot on or pretty darn close. No real wildcards. If I have them, I will have entered the last mock he did in each of those years. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 19, 2019 10:04:23 GMT -5
I refuse to pay for ESPN insider - i was one of the first to get it and had it for a long time but I don’t even watch ESPN anymore unless i have to to see a certain game.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2019 11:02:04 GMT -5
Interesting win last night, only 6 assists from the starters and 13 total for the team, I would say the ball didn't move really well and they still got the win. Lots of driving to the basket successfully but not a lot of dishes, good to see the ability to get to the rim but they need to kick it out a bit more. Good win considering no Smart, Gordon or Williams, is this team ever going to go a few months with everyone healthy. It would be nice to get a glimpse of what they could be. In the mean time they have been getting it done with the bottom half of the roster stepping up, Green and Kanter +21.
Perk mentioned this last night, regardless of what is going on for the C's on the offensive end they always get after it on D and that is what they rely on. This why the future looks so good, both Tatum and Brown take pride in their D and that is what will make them true stars at some point soon.
I think Kanter is rounding into shape and will give them a much better second half to the season, by the end of the season he will be playing the 6th most minutes per game I predict.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2019 11:12:19 GMT -5
I like Perk by the way, he is honest and funny. And he points out what players are doing right and wrong that goes beyond the norm. Never thought I would say Kendrick Perkins is insightful but he is, now I know why his teammates always liked him.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2019 11:37:23 GMT -5
Didn't see it but heard he said that Williams was like Big Baby but without the 6 personalities.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 19, 2019 11:38:33 GMT -5
I refuse to pay for ESPN insider - i was one of the first to get it and had it for a long time but I don’t even watch ESPN anymore unless i have to to see a certain game. I only pay for it bc of Keith Law and the NBA/NFL draft coverage. Have 0 interest in anything else they produce. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 19, 2019 11:44:42 GMT -5
Crazy is right, the Grizz have won 4 out of 5 and just won against the Heat. When the pick conveys, get ready for a point guard. Why? Isn't the need more for a big? I think the pick is going to convey this year and their could be a pf/c worth taking around 8. |
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