2019-20 Boston Celtics Season

Man I was ridiculously off about Tatum lol and I need to stop being hyperbolic, that does not age well. I did not like him at all because he wasn't fast enough for a wing or tall enough for a PF. I thought a skinny guy like that wouldn't last long if he couldn't move past defenders. You were spot on about how athletic he was, he can definitely blow past defenders. He's also crazy crafty with good footwork, much improved ball control (which was a weakness early on), insane instincts on defense, long arms, great outside shot. He has that old man game, he just knows how to get it done.

I watched Fultz a few times with the Magic this season and he looks like he forgot how to play the game. I think he can still be decent, but his fundamentals are all out of whack. He plays defense like he's drunk. Him and Tatum could not be further apart in their development.

Woj/Shams/Etc. reporting out details of the continuation plan:

1. All teams(16) currently in playoff spots will be invited to Orlando
2. Any team(6) currently 6g or less back from a playoff spot will be invited (Was in East; Por, Sac, NO, SA and Pho in West)
3. All teams will play 8 more games.
4. After 8 games, if the 9th seed is more than 4 games out, then the 8th seed stays in. Otherwise, there will be a play-in where the 8th seed only needs to win 1 game while the 9th needs 2.

I'll start off saying it's kinda crazy to judge draft picks on a deep very talented playoff team after one year.

You also need to factor in the trade that got rid of Baynes to give us the Walker money and a first this year.

That being said the big mistake looks like passing on Clarke. It looked that way on draft day and looks that way now. Grant is just a limited athlete that doesn't have good size. Clarke is a great athlete that has been a huge part of a playoff team. I can see Grant becoming a decent role player, yet I can see Clarke being a very good starter. Heck if Clarke learns how to shoot you better watch out he could be an all-star type player. It's going to take a lot for this not to look bad. The big thing is Grants ball handling and shooting. He can't post up and thus doesn't have a way to use his advanced passing.

Zero issues with Langford he was a raw upside guy. Think Rozier and he had his moments in limited action. Still has starter upside with his overall package.

Edwards has been a disappointment, yet that isn't surprising on this team. Going from #1 option with the ball in your hands to role player in a ball moving offense is hard. Yet given his experience, next year is huge for him. The sad part is how good his offense needs to be for him to have a chance. Then again he's a guy who could become a very good bench scorer. His tape was unreal in College. He just needs to learn the system, so he can just play. He really struggled finding a fit and really just jacked up shots trying to do something.

Waters is a backup PG in the NBA. Easily the best value pick. He's small yet an explosive athlete that is very skilled. He had to be one of the best player in the G league as a rookie. Reports from other GM wanting to trade for him because he's already better than players on their teams in the NBA.

The question is did Danny have any other options than doing that Sixers trade, followed by the Sun's trade to get rid of Baynes? If he did you have to question that. Unless he nails the 30th pick this year. Right now Grant and Edwards don't look to have close to the upside of Clarke.

What's funny is that he loves Robert Williams. Williams was not that good his rookie year, yet came on strong in limited time this year. Williams was in a way raw, yet Langford was a lot more raw. So I don't fully understand that. We really haven't seen a bunch of Langford offensive game, but we've seen him play darn good D in spurts.

I don't think teams will change how they value wingspan, it's still huge. I just wouldn't hold it against a guy who's an elite athlete. RPJs guy Stanley is another guy they seem to be doing that to. Sure being 6'6" with the same wingspan limits you somewhat, but not a ton when you're an elite athlete.

It's not a surprise with Clarke, he was the 2nd most productive player after Zion in College Basketball last season.

He is one of those people who don't know and don't know they don't know. He thinks he does but he doesn't.

The C's got lucky in losing him but part of that is the Kemba fit. Interesting how a guy can have the numbers he did in Boston and still be a problem, says a lot.

We got lucky getting Kemba, yet we'd still be better off even with Rozier. Rozier has shown that even on a crappy team he's the guy he was here when he started. Not close to Kemba, but a solid starter that can have huge games, along with bad ones.

Irving now wants the players to start a new league, you can't make this stuff up with him.

Sounds like he's a Jazz fan no? I like bigs and I like Gobert. I'm fairly certain I can make a very good case that currently Smart and Theis are more valuable than Gobert, nevermind Williams, Langford and a pick. The price for Drummond and Capela was crazy low. I think Williams and Langford both still have starter upside. So it's a hard pass for me.

It's the problem with trades for us currently, we don't have salary filler. So people act like Smart is just filler, yet he's having his best season as a pro and has a good contract. I don't see how you make a deal with a third team.

That's kinda the problem with Gobert, great defender and rebounder. So so scorer, no range and only an OK passer in my book. I don't see a huge difference between him, Drummond and Capela even if he is the best of the three. I don't see how he's worth so much more than those guys.

I don't see how Theis has earned anything like that yet.

I'm not against trading Williams for Gobert. It's trading him as a throw in after hardly being able to play this year. Yet he looked much improved when he did play.

Considering what was said of Williams that could be a very worthwhile comment on Langford, but I'd need a lot more than that to give up on him right now. My opinion is either trade the picks or wait to trade the young guys when you know what you have. You don't do Joe Johnson trades. Not with guys that have shown you NBA upsides.

I'd frankly consider trading Hayward unless you think his foot gets better. His style fits and his skills level has allowed him to put up good stats. Yet he's not close to the player he once was. He's highly paid and our 4th best player. As he ages more that foot could just get worse and he already isn't the defender he once was and gets half as many FTs than he did the last three years with the Jazz. If he's willing to take less I'm open to it, yet he's not close to a max level type guy anymore.

I actually kind of hate the idea of trading for Monk. He has a 5.3m cap hit on the last year of his deal. They label him a PG but he’s really not, he wasn’t coming out and he’s still not. I’m not saying there’s no hope for him as a player but I’m saying he makes too much money and is still in that young player you are projecting stage. If Brad works his magic then he’s gone after a year, because you aren’t going to pay your 2nd guard off the bench (behind Smart) a lot of money. Sure the upside is you get one good year that could help the team next season but I’m not dealing a first round pick for that when it’s hardly a guarantee that even happens.

Bamba, I’m all in on. If they can get him for 2 of those firsts they should do it ASAP. I might oversell this a little but that guy could be a legit star in this scheme. His ability to play switchable defense from that spot and hold his own vs big centers and stretch the floor is enough to give me goose bumps. I love that guy and can’t believe Orlando isn’t trade Vuc to open his playing time with Issac and Gordon.

Robinson, the reason something would happen is because of the Knicks. It’s also why nothing will happen. The worst thing they can do is keep him on the bench, so that’s what they’ll do, until he either walks as a FA or they grossly overpay him before seeing what he truly does as a starter.