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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2020 8:54:37 GMT -5
Does Danny use all 3 1st rd picks? There are 17 spots on the roster. Who gets cut to make room for the draft picks? I can see drafting the best player avail based on Danny's system of length and multi position system. Who's available to trade for that Danny could bundle picks and players? Or does he do one of his fav moves and trades something this year to acquire an additional 1st next yr? First round picks actually need to fit into the first 15 spots on the roster, plus you need room for Waters in that and MAYBE Taco. So if they keep all 3 picks and want to keep both Taco and Waters then you likely need 5 spots for the roster. One possibility is drafting a Euro you can stash with at least one of the picks. My two favorite guys for that scenario are Aleksej Pokusevski and Leandro Bolmaro. They’d be great stash guys to get late first round. Give a future prospect and less roster congestion this year. To answer your questions though, ideally they are only adding 1 or 2 first round picks to the roster this year and even more ideal by doing that they are adding a future first rounder or a legit stash guy like one of the two above not a Yabu stash. The guys that will free roster spots off the 15 man roster are: 1. Green 2. Wannamaker 3. French Center 4. Semi 5. Kanter (if he opts out) 6. Edwards (unfortunately hasn’t shown much of anything for the Celtics or Red Claws) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 11:08:44 GMT -5
Not trying to be dramatic or pessimistic here but the fact that Stevens is openly talking about managing Kemba and him being on a minutes restriction should worry you as a Celtics fan, both short term and long term. They’ve had months off, if his knee isn’t full strength right now that is a legit issue. After reading how Stevens explained it you kinda have to be pessimistic to think that. First Walker says he's back to normal. Stevens says they are being cautious because he's been stuck in a house for months without equipment and trainers. So they'll take it slow to build up strength because the goal is the playoffs. That's fairly typical stuff for a guy coming back from injury no? He's talking about because of course that was one of the first questions reporters had for him. This isn't like Hayward missing games earlier this year when Stevens said his foot was still bothering him, he didn't say anything like that. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 11:23:17 GMT -5
Does Danny use all 3 1st rd picks? There are 17 spots on the roster. Who gets cut to make room for the draft picks? I can see drafting the best player avail based on Danny's system of length and multi position system. Who's available to trade for that Danny could bundle picks and players? Or does he do one of his fav moves and trades something this year to acquire an additional 1st next yr? I don't think even Danny can't answer that right now. RJP walked you through a lot of if. Yet the do they draft three guys or make trades all depends on who's there and what's available for trade. Given this draft if you aren't trading picks for a veteran, which I would strongly consider. I would love a trade like Danny has made a few times, get a future first and a second round pick for a first this year. Not a huge difference in value and that allows you to add two rookies, then two 2 way contract guys. I think you can do that, especially if he's willing to wait a few years on the first round pick, which makes sense given all our young talent. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 11:32:14 GMT -5
www.si.com/.amp/nba/2020/05/06/2020-nba-draft-big-board-top-80-rankingsI nice breakdown of the prospects. I do find it funny that Stewart is praised for being an old school big. Yet Carey and Oturu are being dinged because they aren't highly mobile modern day centers or the replaceability of Centers. Every negative they say amount them applies to Stewart. I just don't get it. I like Stewart but he's the least mobile and skilled of the three right now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 11:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2020 12:19:23 GMT -5
Not trying to be dramatic or pessimistic here but the fact that Stevens is openly talking about managing Kemba and him being on a minutes restriction should worry you as a Celtics fan, both short term and long term. They’ve had months off, if his knee isn’t full strength right now that is a legit issue. After reading how Stevens explained it you kinda have to be pessimistic to think that. First Walker says he's back to normal. Stevens says they are being cautious because he's been stuck in a house for months without equipment and trainers. So they'll take it slow to build up strength because the goal is the playoffs. That's fairly typical stuff for a guy coming back from injury no? He's talking about because of course that was one of the first questions reporters had for him. This isn't like Hayward missing games earlier this year when Stevens said his foot was still bothering him, he didn't say anything like that. Not trying to be dramatic or pessimistic here but the fact that Stevens is openly talking about managing Kemba and him being on a minutes restriction should worry you as a Celtics fan, both short term and long term. They’ve had months off, if his knee isn’t full strength right now that is a legit issue. After reading how Stevens explained it you kinda have to be pessimistic to think that. First Walker says he's back to normal. Stevens says they are being cautious because he's been stuck in a house for months without equipment and trainers. So they'll take it slow to build up strength because the goal is the playoffs. That's fairly typical stuff for a guy coming back from injury no? He's talking about because of course that was one of the first questions reporters had for him. This isn't like Hayward missing games earlier this year when Stevens said his foot was still bothering him, he didn't say anything like that. Not when you’ve read the other things I have about it being an arthritic knee that needs constant monitoring and maintenance. The continuous situation that Walker is dealing with here — on a knee that already has had three surgeries on it over the course of his basketball career — signals a reality that Dr. Jessica Flynn predicted back in February when his initial arthritis came to light. “Long-term, I look at an injury like this as something that Kemba Walker will continue to manage throughout his career. He may have flare-ups from time to time. As arthritis gets worse, the flare-ups could become more common, but every athlete and every knee is different. If the knee ever flares up and does not respond to conservative treatment then surgery could be a possibility down the road, but there is no sign that that is a concern currently.” www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2020/07/12/nba-notebook-five-storylines-watch-opening-weekend-nba-restart/ |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2020 12:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 13:53:31 GMT -5
RJP you get he's just guessing right? He's not his Doctor and doesn't even know if he got a cortisone shot. Which is crazy important. If there is one thing I'm an expert on it's arthritis, having had it since age 16 and 21 years total now. I've had my knees drained numerous times, had many cortisone shots and basically been on most meds for arthritis on the market.
That being said Walkers doctor right now likely doesn't even fully understand what's going on. It's way too early to make assumptions. It's a wait and see type thing. Then they will form a plan. No doctor is saying a guy has arthritis because he had swelling and pain in his knee one time. They only do that when it keeps happening. We just aren't there yet. The fact he says he feels like his old self is good news. We need much more information. Like if he had a cortisone shot and that didn't help, that would be a big worry. We don't know that though. I'd get them and feel awesome for a few weeks. My dad gets them and they last six months to a year. I have it bad, he has a very mild case because he tore his tendons like Walker in both knees when he was younger.
I'm not going to get worried unless it happens again after a bunch of rest. Even if he has early arthritis they have many new drugs to stop flare ups from happening especially in mild cases. We just aren't there yet. Way too much speculation and very little facts.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2020 14:52:36 GMT -5
RJP you get he's just guessing right? He's not his Doctor and doesn't even know if he got a cortisone shot. Which is crazy important. If there is one thing I'm an expert on it's arthritis, having had it since age 16 and 21 years total now. I've had my knees drained numerous times, had many cortisone shots and basically been on most meds for arthritis on the market. That being said Walkers doctor right now likely doesn't even fully understand what's going on. It's way too early to make assumptions. It's a wait and see type thing. Then they will form a plan. No doctor is saying a guy has arthritis because he had swelling and pain in his knee one time. They only do that when it keeps happening. We just aren't there yet. The fact he says he feels like his old self is good news. We need much more information. Like if he had a cortisone shot and that didn't help, that would be a big worry. We don't know that though. I'd get them and feel awesome for a few weeks. My dad gets them and they last six months to a year. I have it bad, he has a very mild case because he tore his tendons like Walker in both knees when he was younger. I'm not going to get worried unless it happens again after a bunch of rest. Even if he has early arthritis they have many new drugs to stop flare ups from happening especially in mild cases. We just aren't there yet. Way too much speculation and very little facts. Ok let’s say concern you not worry you. He’s had 3 knee surgeries on that knee. This is from a Doctor not just some writer: “Walker has dealt with left knee issues for much of his professional career. His first reported left knee surgery was in January 2015 for a lateral meniscus tear. His second reported surgery was in May 2016 and it was another arthroscopic surgery (“scope”) to trim more lateral meniscus. A third surgery in May 2017 was reportedly another “minor arthroscopic procedure.” ... “Kemba did not have a steroid injection last week, though. He had an injection of Synvisc, which is a brand of hyaluronic acid (HA) injected to treat symptoms of mild to moderate arthritis.... Simply put, HA injections are meant to supplement HA back into the joint to try to make the surviving cartilage more healthy... Kemba most likely had a Synvisc injection instead of a steroid shot either because he had recently had a steroid injection and it was too soon for another one or because doctors decided that the risk of steroid injection was not worth the benefit due to Kemba’s age and injury. The fact that Kemba had a Synvisc injection likely means that he has some arthritis in his left knee.” www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2020/02/26/dr-flynn-whats-going-kemba-walkers-sore-knee/ |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 13, 2020 14:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 13, 2020 15:20:43 GMT -5
The Cleveland clinic and other sources disagree with you, so even if you are right and it doesn’t help it seems other medical sources disagree and at a minimum let’s just agree his knee brace doesn’t rule it out even it’s it’s the wrong treatment. health.clevelandclinic.org/could-a-knee-brace-help-ease-your-osteoarthritis-pain/Also, we know he had an injection of Synvisc. But mainly let’s not quibble or make this comment by me to be bigger than it is. It concerns me. To me there’s real evidence that this knee could be a recurring problem for the rest of his career. Notice I said COULD BE but based on evidence. If you think that evidence is nothing and doesn’t pose any possible issue then let’s agree to disagree. The indisputable facts are: 1. 3 surgeries on knee 2. Synvisc injection this season plus missed games. 3. 3 months off 4. Coach saying there’s still discomfort and managing his minutes. This does not make me say he’s injury prone now for rest of career. It makes me as a Celtic fan knowing how important he is concerned. |
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Post by texs31 on Jul 13, 2020 20:00:40 GMT -5
FWIW (and unrelated to the Kemba talk), Ben Simmons has been practicing exclusively at the 4.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2020 9:07:08 GMT -5
FWIW (and unrelated to the Kemba talk), Ben Simmons has been practicing exclusively at the 4. I have so many mixed questions and thoughts about this move about both the team and Simmons. 1: Milton 2: Richardson 3: Harris (should be a 4) 4: Simmons 5: Embiid Will be interesting to see if Milton’s 3 point stroke holds up. Wonder where Horford’s minutes go. As far as Simmons, they move him from PG because he’s not really a modern day PG because he won’t shoot but that kind of makes him not a modern day wing or 4 as well. Obviously, the guy is a really good player so not trying to bury that - all conversation surrounding him is about if he is or can be a super star or not. Is it possible his best position would be at Center in todays league? Like, imagine him as Houston or Golden States 5? That’s just a spitball not a full thought out idea. |
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Post by mobaz on Jul 14, 2020 9:55:13 GMT -5
FWIW (and unrelated to the Kemba talk), Ben Simmons has been practicing exclusively at the 4. I have so many mixed questions and thoughts about this move about both the team and Simmons. 1: Milton 2: Richardson 3: Harris (should be a 4) 4: Simmons 5: Embiid Will be interesting to see if Milton’s 3 point stroke holds up. Wonder where Horford’s minutes go. As far as Simmons, they move him from PG because he’s not really a modern day PG because he won’t shoot but that kind of makes him not a modern day wing or 4 as well. Obviously, the guy is a really good player so not trying to bury that - all conversation surrounding him is about if he is or can be a super star or not. Is it possible his best position would be at Center in todays league? Like, imagine him as Houston or Golden States 5? That’s just a spitball not a full thought out idea. That's a really shallow team right now. I think Horford's regression really threw them for a loop. Richardson too. As good as they are individually and statistically, I don't see how Simmons and Embiid are a long term top-two for a champion-caliber team. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2020 10:07:13 GMT -5
I have so many mixed questions and thoughts about this move about both the team and Simmons. 1: Milton 2: Richardson 3: Harris (should be a 4) 4: Simmons 5: Embiid Will be interesting to see if Milton’s 3 point stroke holds up. Wonder where Horford’s minutes go. As far as Simmons, they move him from PG because he’s not really a modern day PG because he won’t shoot but that kind of makes him not a modern day wing or 4 as well. Obviously, the guy is a really good player so not trying to bury that - all conversation surrounding him is about if he is or can be a super star or not. Is it possible his best position would be at Center in todays league? Like, imagine him as Houston or Golden States 5? That’s just a spitball not a full thought out idea. That's a really shallow team right now. I think Horford's regression really threw them for a loop. Richardson too. As good as they are individually and statistically, I don't see how Simmons and Embiid are a long term top-two for a champion-caliber team. Are they shallow or does the fit just kind of suck? They have that starting 5 plus Horford, Thybulle, Robinson and Burks coming off the bench. Playoff rotations are usually 8 players. I think they have that and a lot of them are switchable position wise - but their spacing sucks when their best players are on the court. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2020 12:09:08 GMT -5
The Cleveland clinic and other sources disagree with you, so even if you are right and it doesn’t help it seems other medical sources disagree and at a minimum let’s just agree his knee brace doesn’t rule it out even it’s it’s the wrong treatment. health.clevelandclinic.org/could-a-knee-brace-help-ease-your-osteoarthritis-pain/Also, we know he had an injection of Synvisc. But mainly let’s not quibble or make this comment by me to be bigger than it is. It concerns me. To me there’s real evidence that this knee could be a recurring problem for the rest of his career. Notice I said COULD BE but based on evidence. If you think that evidence is nothing and doesn’t pose any possible issue then let’s agree to disagree. The indisputable facts are: 1. 3 surgeries on knee 2. Synvisc injection this season plus missed games. 3. 3 months off 4. Coach saying there’s still discomfort and managing his minutes. This does not make me say he’s injury prone now for rest of career. It makes me as a Celtic fan knowing how important he is concerned. A knee brace does nothing for arthritis. OA arthritis is your cartilage is shot, causing your bones to rub, which then causes arthritis. The knee brace helps the structural problem and thus helps. You better hope you are dead wrong because if he as OA and his cartilage is so shot already we are in big trouble. It doesn't usually come on that fast, it's usually a gradual type thing. Even the post you posted said that out a week or two. He wasn't good for months, now it's been almost six months. You can treat minor arthritis rather easily, you really can't do anything if you have a lack of cartilage. A certain guy that played 2B has been trying for years and still can't play. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2020 12:31:51 GMT -5
I thought since day one Simmons was a PF and in today's NBA could even play some small ball center. Yet it kinda seems crazy to change everything with only a few weeks to get ready. It still doesn't fix the fact that Embiid and Simmons aren't a good fit.
I don't think it's Horford isn't good anymore. It's he can't be a PF in this league anymore as he's getting older. He's good as a floor spacing center, defender and passer. Not as a PF, who in that offense basically sits at the three point line. It's just a bad fit and the wrong system for him.
I will give the coach credit for being creative, something Brown hasn't really done. It sure seems like he's trying to match the Sixers up to our team. Simmons on Tatum. Plus Milton is much better sitting on the three point line than Horford. Horford will likely greatly help a second unit and can be used like he should be. Yet does Brown actually have the ability to pull it off in such a short window?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2020 13:21:04 GMT -5
The Cleveland clinic and other sources disagree with you, so even if you are right and it doesn’t help it seems other medical sources disagree and at a minimum let’s just agree his knee brace doesn’t rule it out even it’s it’s the wrong treatment. health.clevelandclinic.org/could-a-knee-brace-help-ease-your-osteoarthritis-pain/Also, we know he had an injection of Synvisc. But mainly let’s not quibble or make this comment by me to be bigger than it is. It concerns me. To me there’s real evidence that this knee could be a recurring problem for the rest of his career. Notice I said COULD BE but based on evidence. If you think that evidence is nothing and doesn’t pose any possible issue then let’s agree to disagree. The indisputable facts are: 1. 3 surgeries on knee 2. Synvisc injection this season plus missed games. 3. 3 months off 4. Coach saying there’s still discomfort and managing his minutes. This does not make me say he’s injury prone now for rest of career. It makes me as a Celtic fan knowing how important he is concerned. A knee brace does nothing for arthritis. OA arthritis is your cartilage is shot, causing your bones to rub, which then causes arthritis. The knee brace helps the structural problem and thus helps. You better hope you are dead wrong because if he as OA and his cartilage is so shot already we are in big trouble. It doesn't usually come on that fast, it's usually a gradual type thing. Even the post you posted said that out a week or two. He wasn't good for months, now it's been almost six months. You can treat minor arthritis rather easily, you really can't do anything if you have a lack of cartilage. A certain guy that played 2B has been trying for years and still can't play. Well I won’t be right or wrong because I’m not predicting anything. I’m just relaying things I’ve read that concern me. I’m glad you aren’t worried having experience with arthritis. Still doesn’t make me unconcerned but I’ll take it as a possible positive. I’m generally pessimistic though so concern comes with the territory. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 14, 2020 14:22:17 GMT -5
The minute you took that information from a Doctor that has never seen Walker and make PG your #1 need you were making a prediction. Maybe you didn't mean to do that, but that is what you did. That's not simply passing along information. You drew conclusions from it and adjusted how we should proceed in the future based on that. Which is fine and 100% rational, it's just not relaying things though.
I'm not worried about minor arthritis, I'm 100% worried if he has a substantial loss of cartilage and that is the cause. Compared to the many other things that can cause it. That is worst case scenario type stuff right there. You add the knee brace to the injection and it fits.
I don't mean to take it out on you either. I'm just pissed off, it's like Hayward 2.0. We get lucky getting a Prime free agent and bam they will never be the same. We didn't even get one full good year from either guy!
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 14, 2020 17:59:10 GMT -5
The minute you took that information from a Doctor that has never seen Walker and make PG your #1 need you were making a prediction. Maybe you didn't mean to do that, but that is what you did. That's not simply passing along information. You drew conclusions from it and adjusted how we should proceed in the future based on that. Which is fine and 100% rational, it's just not relaying things though. I'm not worried about minor arthritis, I'm 100% worried if he has a substantial loss of cartilage and that is the cause. Compared to the many other things that can cause it. That is worst case scenario type stuff right there. You add the knee brace to the injection and it fits. I don't mean to take it out on you either. I'm just pissed off, it's like Hayward 2.0. We get lucky getting a Prime free agent and bam they will never be the same. We didn't even get one full good year from either guy! To be fair, I believe I said it was arguably their number 1 need but ultimately fell behind Center. You brought up the need for a bench shooter being more important and I acknowledged you could be right. So let’s not take this as I’ve been arguing they need a PG more than anything this whole time. You may have read it that way but go back and look and it’s not the case at all. In any event - it sounds like you’re now concerned. Let’s not argue about medical reasons why - I’m not a medical expert so I’m not going to dig my heals in on the right diagnosis. Welcome to the club.  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2020 16:52:09 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 15, 2020 17:50:29 GMT -5
17 - Tyrese Maxey 26 - Leandro Bolmaro 30 - Tyrell Terry 46 - Sam Merrill Ignored size and went upside play with Maxey, stash with Bomaro and lights out shooting but maybe nothing else with the other 2 picks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 15, 2020 23:28:06 GMT -5
I can see Maxey that makes sense. Known a shooter yet wasn't very good as a freshmen.
Bolmaro fits. He's just a guy no one seems to agree on where he plays. Seen PF/PG, SG and SF.
Terry I've seen best shooter in draft used to describe him. Yet raw, skinny as can be, so so athlete, yet not afraid and competes.
Merrill smart basketball guy, very good shooter.
The picks aren't bad, yet not crazy about three guards and three so-so athletes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 16, 2020 14:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2020 6:13:56 GMT -5
Would Lauri Markkanen be a good target for the Celtics as a stretch 4/smallball center? He’s got 2 years before he’s a RFA. Makes sense for Chicago to deal him as they aren’t in a spot to be ready to extend guys as they aren’t good enough yet and should be keeping FA flexibility. I don’t know maybe it’s not feasible and maybe he doesn’t fit but an interesting name.
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