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2019-20 Boston Celtics Season
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2020 8:36:17 GMT -5
Read a thing on BR about Giles being a good FA fit in Boston. It’s an interesting thought... him and Tatum are best friends too. He had a very good end to the season, athletic freak, can be a small ball center and is a good passer... he’s a risk, but no one you get with the mini midlevel isn’t - unless it’s a ring chasing bet... Celtics probably aren’t contenders for the best of those guys tho... he’s also a guy that if he doesn’t work out it would be fine.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2020 14:43:44 GMT -5
Would Lauri Markkanen be a good target for the Celtics as a stretch 4/smallball center? He’s got 2 years before he’s a RFA. Makes sense for Chicago to deal him as they aren’t in a spot to be ready to extend guys as they aren’t good enough yet and should be keeping FA flexibility. I don’t know maybe it’s not feasible and maybe he doesn’t fit but an interesting name. He's not my perfect fit type guy, yet Tatum would help him tremendously on D. He'd give our slashers room and get a lot of good looks from deep. I'm no expert on him, yet he sure seems more like a center in today's NBA. Which is the Bulls problem frankly, him and Carter don't really fit. Why would the Bulls trade him? Maybe they get Wiseman or Toppin. Yet they need a PG or SF more. In theory would Markkanen be a better fit next to Wiseman? With Carter being better next to Toppin? Yet they all are more Centers in today's NBA. He's in his third year, so he has one year before RFA. For fun say they want to trade him, not likely because the Bulls are the Bulls because they aren't smart and don't draft that well. What do you trade? Even if you gave them all three picks that doesn't seem great in this draft. We don't have a young PG to trade them. Maybe they fall in love with a PG in the middle of the first round. Just kinda seems unlikely no? I bet some team with better picks and assets could easily top our offer. They likely pay the guy, then Carter. Then like four years from now make a trade because those two don't fit. You know because they are the Bulls!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2020 15:00:59 GMT -5
Read a thing on BR about Giles being a good FA fit in Boston. It’s an interesting thought... him and Tatum are best friends too. He had a very good end to the season, athletic freak, can be a small ball center and is a good passer... he’s a risk, but no one you get with the mini midlevel isn’t - unless it’s a ring chasing bet... Celtics probably aren’t contenders for the best of those guys tho... he’s also a guy that if he doesn’t work out it would be fine. I've always liked Giles and wouldn't mind it. Still have no idea why the Kings declined his 4th year option when it's only a few million. Yet they hold his bird rights. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a contract. It's also not a great fit with Theis, Williams and Kanter. We really need a guy who can stretch the floor. Yet he certainly fits our style and could be very good defensively for us. If Kanter Opts out it makes much more sense. Ideally he's the type of guy for the bi annual exception. I'd hope to target someone better with the mid-level.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2020 15:40:42 GMT -5
Read a thing on BR about Giles being a good FA fit in Boston. It’s an interesting thought... him and Tatum are best friends too. He had a very good end to the season, athletic freak, can be a small ball center and is a good passer... he’s a risk, but no one you get with the mini midlevel isn’t - unless it’s a ring chasing bet... Celtics probably aren’t contenders for the best of those guys tho... he’s also a guy that if he doesn’t work out it would be fine. I've always liked Giles and wouldn't mind it. Still have no idea why the Kings declined his 4th year option when it's only a few million. Yet they hold his bird rights. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a contract. It's also not a great fit with Theis, Williams and Kanter. We really need a guy who can stretch the floor. Yet he certainly fits our style and could be very good defensively for us. If Kanter Opts out it makes much more sense. Ideally he's the type of guy for the bi annual exception. I'd hope to target someone better with the mid-level. I read the most they can offer him is a contract starting at 4m
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 17, 2020 15:44:57 GMT -5
Would Lauri Markkanen be a good target for the Celtics as a stretch 4/smallball center? He’s got 2 years before he’s a RFA. Makes sense for Chicago to deal him as they aren’t in a spot to be ready to extend guys as they aren’t good enough yet and should be keeping FA flexibility. I don’t know maybe it’s not feasible and maybe he doesn’t fit but an interesting name. He's not my perfect fit type guy, yet Tatum would help him tremendously on D. He'd give our slashers room and get a lot of good looks from deep. I'm no expert on him, yet he sure seems more like a center in today's NBA. Which is the Bulls problem frankly, him and Carter don't really fit. Why would the Bulls trade him? Maybe they get Wiseman or Toppin. Yet they need a PG or SF more. In theory would Markkanen be a better fit next to Wiseman? With Carter being better next to Toppin? Yet they all are more Centers in today's NBA. He's in his third year, so he has one year before RFA. For fun say they want to trade him, not likely because the Bulls are the Bulls because they aren't smart and don't draft that well. What do you trade? Even if you gave them all three picks that doesn't seem great in this draft. We don't have a young PG to trade them. Maybe they fall in love with a PG in the middle of the first round. Just kinda seems unlikely no? I bet some team with better picks and assets could easily top our offer. They likely pay the guy, then Carter. Then like four years from now make a trade because those two don't fit. You know because they are the Bulls! There were rumors he wasn’t happy in Chicago and wanted to be traded. I really don’t know what you’d trade for him that’s the biggest issue I see.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2020 16:58:20 GMT -5
I've always liked Giles and wouldn't mind it. Still have no idea why the Kings declined his 4th year option when it's only a few million. Yet they hold his bird rights. I wouldn't be surprised if they give him a contract. It's also not a great fit with Theis, Williams and Kanter. We really need a guy who can stretch the floor. Yet he certainly fits our style and could be very good defensively for us. If Kanter Opts out it makes much more sense. Ideally he's the type of guy for the bi annual exception. I'd hope to target someone better with the mid-level. I read the most they can offer him is a contract starting at 4m Why? You normally don't see teams not pick up fourth year options and then try and resign them. Yet he's been with them for three years, which should give them full bird right no?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 17, 2020 17:00:08 GMT -5
He's not my perfect fit type guy, yet Tatum would help him tremendously on D. He'd give our slashers room and get a lot of good looks from deep. I'm no expert on him, yet he sure seems more like a center in today's NBA. Which is the Bulls problem frankly, him and Carter don't really fit. Why would the Bulls trade him? Maybe they get Wiseman or Toppin. Yet they need a PG or SF more. In theory would Markkanen be a better fit next to Wiseman? With Carter being better next to Toppin? Yet they all are more Centers in today's NBA. He's in his third year, so he has one year before RFA. For fun say they want to trade him, not likely because the Bulls are the Bulls because they aren't smart and don't draft that well. What do you trade? Even if you gave them all three picks that doesn't seem great in this draft. We don't have a young PG to trade them. Maybe they fall in love with a PG in the middle of the first round. Just kinda seems unlikely no? I bet some team with better picks and assets could easily top our offer. They likely pay the guy, then Carter. Then like four years from now make a trade because those two don't fit. You know because they are the Bulls! There were rumors he wasn’t happy in Chicago and wanted to be traded. I really don’t know what you’d trade for him that’s the biggest issue I see. That's a big problem though no?
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 17, 2020 21:33:10 GMT -5
We have nothing that theoretically the Bulls would want for Lauri Legend, but man oh man he'd fit perfectly.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 18, 2020 15:31:36 GMT -5
Does the tax payer mid-level get you Dario Saric?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 18, 2020 16:29:04 GMT -5
Does the tax payer mid-level get you Dario Saric? In a year like next year where more teams will be tax payers and/or not spending as much it’s possible.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 21, 2020 10:56:04 GMT -5
That's what I go for, the best overall player I can get.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2020 11:41:44 GMT -5
I was reading something today and it made me think how beneficial it would be to return mostly the same team next year. I count Waters and Taco in the same team grouping. I’d like to see Kanter opt in to keep more continuity and I believe he’s great for chemistry and plays a solid role. I’m obviously fine with the bottom of the roster leaving and rotational guys like Wanamaker and Semi. Those aren’t major changes. It’s been a long time since we’ve seen the major rotation return for a second year and it’s easy to forget how important continuity can be.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2020 2:57:55 GMT -5
Taco needs to go, he might be the worst FT shooter I've seen and can't move well. He's a few decades two late.
I want Kanter to opt in for sure.
I want the best player I can get with Mid-level
While I love chemistry and certainly don't mind that. I'm open to anything if it makes sense. Heck with three picks I'm looking for trades. Just depends what types are out there.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2020 4:39:34 GMT -5
Taco needs to go, he might be the worst FT shooter I've seen and can't move well. He's a few decades two late. I want Kanter to opt in for sure. I want the best player I can get with Mid-level While I love chemistry and certainly don't mind that. I'm open to anything if it makes sense. Heck with three picks I'm looking for trades. Just depends what types are out there. I didn’t mean a new key player can’t come in but when was the last time a team returned its top 6 rotation guys (Walker, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis, Smart)?
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2020 4:42:52 GMT -5
Taco doesn’t HAVE to go, if he’s your 4th big right now that’s a guy who can be useful. Based on reports his development has been really good. He’s never going to be a starter in today’s league but it’s possible he can carve out a useful role at some point.
That being said, I think there’s a good chance the top 3 guys return and there’s a rookie added to the mix that leave Taco on the outside.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2020 12:51:57 GMT -5
Taco needs to go, he might be the worst FT shooter I've seen and can't move well. He's a few decades two late. I want Kanter to opt in for sure. I want the best player I can get with Mid-level While I love chemistry and certainly don't mind that. I'm open to anything if it makes sense. Heck with three picks I'm looking for trades. Just depends what types are out there. I didn’t mean a new key player can’t come in but when was the last time a team returned its top 6 rotation guys (Walker, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis, Smart)? Last year, we returned everyone from the 2018 ECF run, plus added Irving and Hayward. It's about the right mix just as much as playing together for a long time. Irving killed us and got worse his second year. Stevens is so great that as long as you don't have an Irving we always have great chemistry. Every team he's had besides last year has basically done better than expected. Now I certainly get your point, it's just not the focus of my off-season though. Nevermind everyone but Walker has been together for three years.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 22, 2020 13:14:13 GMT -5
Taco doesn’t HAVE to go, if he’s your 4th big right now that’s a guy who can be useful. Based on reports his development has been really good. He’s never going to be a starter in today’s league but it’s possible he can carve out a useful role at some point. That being said, I think there’s a good chance the top 3 guys return and there’s a rookie added to the mix that leave Taco on the outside. The biggest reason is what you pointed out. Very good chance the top three are back, plus Poirer and we need a guy who can shoot. Even if it's a development guy for the future. I just don't see how Falls can be anything worthwhile in today's NBA. He was clearly the worst athlete at the 2019 NBA combine by a wide margin. Add to that I can't remember the last player who over five years never came close to shooting 50% from the FT line. He's not some 20 year old kid who you hope can really improve his body. He's the opposite of Waters, he has great size yet nothing else. We saw first hand how Greg Monroe a guy way more skilled and athletic couldn't be played in the playoffs because of his foot speed. I feel for him, 20-30 years ago he would have had a 10 plus year career as a Roy Hibbert lite type guy. Those days are long gone. I just have to ask, as you've been a huge Falls fan since the day we signed him. Why do you have love for a guy like Falls yet hate Carey? Carey is actually skilled and five times the athlete Falls is. Carey actually has the ability to be a Baynes type guy who is more skilled. A guy like Stewart can do what Falls does and much more.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2020 14:08:05 GMT -5
Taco doesn’t HAVE to go, if he’s your 4th big right now that’s a guy who can be useful. Based on reports his development has been really good. He’s never going to be a starter in today’s league but it’s possible he can carve out a useful role at some point. That being said, I think there’s a good chance the top 3 guys return and there’s a rookie added to the mix that leave Taco on the outside. The biggest reason is what you pointed out. Very good chance the top three are back, plus Poirer and we need a guy who can shoot. Even if it's a development guy for the future. I just don't see how Falls can be anything worthwhile in today's NBA. He was clearly the worst athlete at the 2019 NBA combine by a wide margin. Add to that I can't remember the last player who over five years never came close to shooting 50% from the FT line. He's not some 20 year old kid who you hope can really improve his body. He's the opposite of Waters, he has great size yet nothing else. We saw first hand how Greg Monroe a guy way more skilled and athletic couldn't be played in the playoffs because of his foot speed. I feel for him, 20-30 years ago he would have had a 10 plus year career as a Roy Hibbert lite type guy. Those days are long gone. I just have to ask, as you've been a huge Falls fan since the day we signed him. Why do you have love for a guy like Falls yet hate Carey? Carey is actually skilled and five times the athlete Falls is. Carey actually has the ability to be a Baynes type guy who is more skilled. A guy like Stewart can do what Falls does and much more. One, I don’t love Taco as far as on court impact. I just root for him and clearly my view of him is as a 4th big. I just root for the guy and hope he can carve out an NBA role that keeps him around even if it’s a less than 10 minutes guy. Be it here or elsewhere. So I’d rather a guy like Carey but let’s be real. Expectations matter and if you pick him in the first round it’s to be an impact player or he’s a bust. So my comments on him are relative to my expectations of him as a player. I don’t see Poirer on this team next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2020 14:11:20 GMT -5
I didn’t mean a new key player can’t come in but when was the last time a team returned its top 6 rotation guys (Walker, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Theis, Smart)? Last year, we returned everyone from the 2018 ECF run, plus added Irving and Hayward. It's about the right mix just as much as playing together for a long time. Irving killed us and got worse his second year. Stevens is so great that as long as you don't have an Irving we always have great chemistry. Every team he's had besides last year has basically done better than expected. Now I certainly get your point, it's just not the focus of my off-season though. Nevermind everyone but Walker has been together for three years. Right but Irving and Hayward were huge “disruptions” to the rotation. I don’t see them adding major rotation pieces next year to that scale. Maybe I’m wrong... it’s also not a focus of my offseason i just think it will be the situation we are looking at. The top 6 guys are all returning and other than maybe upgrading Theis who’s not a usage guy anyways - this will be the same group.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2020 12:33:31 GMT -5
The biggest reason is what you pointed out. Very good chance the top three are back, plus Poirer and we need a guy who can shoot. Even if it's a development guy for the future. I just don't see how Falls can be anything worthwhile in today's NBA. He was clearly the worst athlete at the 2019 NBA combine by a wide margin. Add to that I can't remember the last player who over five years never came close to shooting 50% from the FT line. He's not some 20 year old kid who you hope can really improve his body. He's the opposite of Waters, he has great size yet nothing else. We saw first hand how Greg Monroe a guy way more skilled and athletic couldn't be played in the playoffs because of his foot speed. I feel for him, 20-30 years ago he would have had a 10 plus year career as a Roy Hibbert lite type guy. Those days are long gone. I just have to ask, as you've been a huge Falls fan since the day we signed him. Why do you have love for a guy like Falls yet hate Carey? Carey is actually skilled and five times the athlete Falls is. Carey actually has the ability to be a Baynes type guy who is more skilled. A guy like Stewart can do what Falls does and much more. One, I don’t love Taco as far as on court impact. I just root for him and clearly my view of him is as a 4th big. I just root for the guy and hope he can carve out an NBA role that keeps him around even if it’s a less than 10 minutes guy. Be it here or elsewhere. So I’d rather a guy like Carey but let’s be real. Expectations matter and if you pick him in the first round it’s to be an impact player or he’s a bust. So my comments on him are relative to my expectations of him as a player. I don’t see Poirer on this team next year. So your afraid he might be a bust? Why as a Duke guy? Is he lazy or uncoachable? Does he not love Basketball. If your going to draft Grant Williams with his low ceiling, I see no reason why we can't take some risks on a big. Bigs that give you starter upside. We have the picks and this draft offers many types. I'm on focusing on Carey because so many people seem to just be focusing on his negatives. Plus any big who isn't an elite athlete seems to be heavily penalized. I've seen Carey do things not many bigs his size can do. Sure he's got some issues, yet he's got some rather big upside also. Worst case he looks like a much more athletic Jared Sullinger with better size. A long-term replacement for Kanter. A guy who frankly looks like a perfect fit next to Robert Williams long-term. Giving you an athletic rebounding defender and a bruising offensive big combo. Best case he looks like a fringe all-star. I like our coach and team to help to develop and push a player like him. Make him work on D to get minutes and go from there. Look at the growth of Robert Williams in a year, a guy who was much more raw as a prospect. Let's take a few risks and if things work out we could be looking at a long-term dynasty. We have to option with so many picks. Let's worry more about upside and not that they might bust. We greatly need an offensive big long-term. Hence no room for Falls. I want veterans that can help now or guys with upsides much greater than 4th big.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2020 12:55:51 GMT -5
Last year, we returned everyone from the 2018 ECF run, plus added Irving and Hayward. It's about the right mix just as much as playing together for a long time. Irving killed us and got worse his second year. Stevens is so great that as long as you don't have an Irving we always have great chemistry. Every team he's had besides last year has basically done better than expected. Now I certainly get your point, it's just not the focus of my off-season though. Nevermind everyone but Walker has been together for three years. Right but Irving and Hayward were huge “disruptions” to the rotation. I don’t see them adding major rotation pieces next year to that scale. Maybe I’m wrong... it’s also not a focus of my offseason i just think it will be the situation we are looking at. The top 6 guys are all returning and other than maybe upgrading Theis who’s not a usage guy anyways - this will be the same group. The good news is they won't be adding a player like Irving who can single handedly kill team ball and Chemistry. There's just not many players that can do what he did. Three years in a row that his teams are better without him, which is crazy given his talent level. I don't think Hayward was a huge part of it, he just wasn't that good. Yet he still played team ball and wasn't trying to tank the team. I'm looking for a Theis upgrade and a better scorer than Smart for the bench. I mentioned Saric because I think he fits perfectly. He's a very good passer and plays team ball. I don't know exactly how you trade for him, yet constant rumors of Myles Turner being available also intrigue me. I'm not trading Hayward for him either though, so it's crazy hard. We just need more talent. After a few years of crazy deep teams, it's a big issue.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 23, 2020 15:50:27 GMT -5
One, I don’t love Taco as far as on court impact. I just root for him and clearly my view of him is as a 4th big. I just root for the guy and hope he can carve out an NBA role that keeps him around even if it’s a less than 10 minutes guy. Be it here or elsewhere. So I’d rather a guy like Carey but let’s be real. Expectations matter and if you pick him in the first round it’s to be an impact player or he’s a bust. So my comments on him are relative to my expectations of him as a player. I don’t see Poirer on this team next year. So your afraid he might be a bust? Why as a Duke guy? Is he lazy or uncoachable? Does he not love Basketball. If your going to draft Grant Williams with his low ceiling, I see no reason why we can't take some risks on a big. Bigs that give you starter upside. We have the picks and this draft offers many types. I'm on focusing on Carey because so many people seem to just be focusing on his negatives. Plus any big who isn't an elite athlete seems to be heavily penalized. I've seen Carey do things not many bigs his size can do. Sure he's got some issues, yet he's got some rather big upside also. Worst case he looks like a much more athletic Jared Sullinger with better size. A long-term replacement for Kanter. A guy who frankly looks like a perfect fit next to Robert Williams long-term. Giving you an athletic rebounding defender and a bruising offensive big combo. Best case he looks like a fringe all-star. I like our coach and team to help to develop and push a player like him. Make him work on D to get minutes and go from there. Look at the growth of Robert Williams in a year, a guy who was much more raw as a prospect. Let's take a few risks and if things work out we could be looking at a long-term dynasty. We have to option with so many picks. Let's worry more about upside and not that they might bust. We greatly need an offensive big long-term. Hence no room for Falls. I want veterans that can help now or guys with upsides much greater than 4th big. I fully admit i could be way off and 6’9 is the new 7’0 and i just haven’t fully accepted that yet, but there’s a reason Kanter actually doesn’t pretty well defensively against an Embiid. Carey won’t be able to replicate that... Offensively, it’s possible he developed an outside shot... showed some promise at Duke, but the way he put up numbers at Duke will not work in the NBA. He wasn’t particularly skilled with low post moves, he just bullied people. He did have a soft touch tho so that’s good. His desire and work ethic has been questioned in things I’ve read but truthfully, I don’t put stock into that. If they draft him, I will see the upside but he’s not high on my list. Maybe that’s changes by draft time but right now he doesn’t “excite” me. If they pick him with the Memphis pick, I’d likely be pissed but at the end of the first he’s not a terrible pick. I bet there will be guys i preferred there but we will see. I see your point - they need a big and they are all kind of big question marks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 24, 2020 13:56:38 GMT -5
I don't see an issue with size as Carey is listed at 6'10" with a 7' wingspan. Even if he's listed an inch taller than he is, they almost never inflate wingspan. Kanter has a 7' wingspan, Horford is 7'3/4" wingspan. He's a better run jump athlete than Kanter which isn't much, yet not Horford level. He's listed right around Kanter's weight.
Kanter does well because he's physical and is a big body, Carey is the same type of guy so why can't he? Granted it's going to take him time. I love the idea of Kanter being able to teach him. No 19 year old Freshman is ready to battle Embiid. I like that Carey is a bully and has the girth to battle down low. One of the few bigs who doesn't need to add weight, just add some more muscle and get in a little better shape.
Carey is about as skilled in the post as any 19 year old is. He's got a jump hook, spin moves, can take smaller quicker guys off the dribble, etc. He's currently not Kanter, yet Kanter is a 10 year NBA veteran. Carey just needs to refine his skills and the thing I really like about him is he has a bunch of skill. Like a scouting report said he has a little bit if everything, you just need him to improve them, not learn how to do things. He shows post skills, ability to create, passing skills, shooting skills, ability to draw fouls, and even defensive skills. Watch his highlights and he had four steals at the three point line that he took the other way for baskets three out of four times. I don't expect that in the NBA, yet it shows he should be able to switch at a level like Baynes if he's a hard worker. He's not a Sullinger or Monroe type big who can't move.
I wouldn't take him with our first pick, too many guys with higher upsides. I get it, he's not an elite athlete so you can't dream on him. He's closer to Grant Williams, yet has legit size and is likely a better athlete. Yet you don't see many 19 year old players that have his skill level either. There's a reason he's been a top prospect for years. You can't teach that ability to score and be a scorer to guys like Robert Williams. You either have it or you don't. The bigger thing for me is by the 26th or 30th pick your options on guys with higher ceilings is rather small if non existent and I'd argue he likely has a higher floor than most of them. He's much more skilled than a Jordan Mickey, which basically killed his career.
My only worry is does he live Basketball and is he willing to work hard while being coachable. Every scouting report kinda hints at issues, yet stops short of actually saying anything. If he's Sullinger with a bad attitude and work ethic I will pass because he'll only reach his upside with hard work and a bunch of good coaching. In that regards I love the fit and think we are the perfect team to help him reach his upside. You hear nothing about Robert Williams and he had even more damning stuff in his scouting report about not working hard.
Then again don't mind me, I love skilled post players. Guys that can bully guys down low and are skilled. It's why I loved Sullinger till he ate himself out of the league.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2020 12:56:55 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 26, 2020 12:22:07 GMT -5
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