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Post by cdj on Feb 4, 2020 13:28:12 GMT -5
I don’t think the difference between Price and Myers is a guy like Patino, it’s probably more of a guy like Baez
At the end of the day Price is a better player, but he costs more and also comes with injury concerns
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 4, 2020 13:36:57 GMT -5
Sources: The Red Sox have announced that they will announce *half* of the Mookie trade at 5 p.m. That's an Iowa Caucuses joke, mild enough not to cause offense I hope. All involved will simultaneously declare that they won AND that the process was rigged. Also, people on talk radio will yell nonsense.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2020 13:46:44 GMT -5
Patino is the prize for me out of all names that have been mentioned. I'm holding out for him. BP has him ranked as a FV 70 and like the 1B to Gore. He got to AA as a 19 year old after dominating high A. Even though he's only 6' tall, he holds his velocity deep into games. Verdugo is valuable for sure, but the 8 months of back injury that still isn't resolved has me concerned.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 4, 2020 13:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Feb 4, 2020 13:50:06 GMT -5
I honestly think its a large part of the reason why the Dodgers seem so willing to part with him...
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2020 14:28:29 GMT -5
That seems more reputation than an actual problem. The reports about High School are bad, but he was crazy young. Since being drafted we have slight attitude problem right after being drafted and he overslept and missed a bus in 2017. Nothing from the last two years? Unless we are missing information I can certainly live with that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2020 14:46:14 GMT -5
Take as much time as you need, seems to be a bidding war going on and you have to love that. That being said the Padres are going to have a hard time topping Verdugo and Downs because they want us to take Myers. Just my two cents but Patino and Campusano seem rather equal to the top of the Dodgers offer. They would need to include a lot more on the backend to top the Dodgers. I do love it though because at minimum it should get the Dodgers to increase the 3rd and 4th pieces. I know we need pitching, I just feel the Dodgers offer is safer. I like the pitcher being the third piece, over being the top piece because as we have seen injuries can easily happen. I think the Padres realize they have zero chance of outbidding the Dodgers for Mookie. So how do they make themselves more of a contender?
Adding Price to their rotation would do that. And that means shedding Myers' salary. And the Sox might do that swap if they get Patino. And that might actually be a smart move for the Padres.
I am not going to do the work of estimating the true worth of Price and Myers to see what the final contract situation might be!
How can they afford that? The numbers are all over the place, but seem to put them some where in the 140 to 160 range already. For a team that never topped 107 million before. Hence moving Myers to even get just Betts. Adding Betts and Price would put them close to 200 million. I just don't think they can afford that. It would be like the Marlins going all in and losing tens of millions in the process. If you are determined to move Price, which I don't really get. If the Dodgers don't take him, you could look at moving him for Myers. They need pitching. Yet that locks up a ton of future payroll, for a team that doesn't have much. Hosmer is killing them, when they could just play Naylor at 1B. That team is just getting ready to compete, yet they are already basically maxed out payroll wise. As we've seen over the years it's crazy hard to really raise revenue unless you become the Astros. They don't own a NESN so they can't get massive benefits from TV revenue untill their current deal expires. I really don't get what they are doing. Yet love the fact they are helping bid up the price for Betts.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 4, 2020 14:46:41 GMT -5
That seems more reputation than an actual problem. The reports about High School are bad, but he was crazy young. Since being drafted we have slight attitude problem right after being drafted and he overslept and missed a bus in 2017. Nothing from the last two years? Unless we are missing information I can certainly live with that. I think it's more of the being present for the sexual assault of a 17yr old runaway than the oversleeping
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 4, 2020 14:48:41 GMT -5
Verdugo was also one of the players involved in the sexual assault incident in 2015.
Edit: James Baldwin was the one accused of sexual assault based on what I have read. Worth being specific about. Verdugo was there when the alleged victim, who was underage, got drunk and then got attacked by other girls in the room after she vomited. A player videotaped it and posted it to social media but I haven't seen who.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 4, 2020 14:51:37 GMT -5
Oh.
Ugh, imagine the worst part of a Mookie Betts trade not even being the fact that Mookie Betts got traded.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 14:53:09 GMT -5
Verdugo was also one of the players involved in the sexual assault incident in 2015. I never heard about that. That's freaking terrible.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 4, 2020 14:58:21 GMT -5
This all just gets better and better.
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Post by shagworthy on Feb 4, 2020 14:59:35 GMT -5
Verdugo was also one of the players involved in the sexual assault incident in 2015. I never heard about that. That's freaking terrible. That alone makes me not want him one bit. I lost a TON of respect for Gabe Kapler when that story broke, and I don't think he should be allowed to be in a position of power in the league based on the reports of his behavior.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 14:59:37 GMT -5
Verdugo was also one of the players involved in the sexual assault incident in 2015. Edit: James Baldwin was the one accused of sexual assault based on what I have read. Worth being specific about. Verdugo was there when the alleged victim, who was underage, got drunk and then got attacked by other girls in the room after she vomited. A player videotaped it and posted it to social media but I haven't seen who. Thank you for making the distinction.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 4, 2020 15:01:12 GMT -5
Yes I meant he was involved in the dotdotdot incident, but re-reading the sentence didn't want it to be misconstrued.
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Post by Canseco on Feb 4, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -5
All of this is giving me anxiety.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2020 15:06:58 GMT -5
Oh. Ugh, imagine the worst part of a Mookie Betts trade not even being the fact that Mookie Betts got traded. I can already see Shaughnessy's first article on him, the hooligan who replaced Mookie in RF.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 15:12:48 GMT -5
Oh. Ugh, imagine the worst part of a Mookie Betts trade not even being the fact that Mookie Betts got traded. I can already see Shaughnessy's first article on him, the hooligan who replaced Mookie in RF. So we have a guy who was involved in a sexual assault of a 17 year old and Shank writing about it. I think he found his new passion project!
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 4, 2020 15:14:19 GMT -5
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Post by shagworthy on Feb 4, 2020 15:15:24 GMT -5
Oh. Ugh, imagine the worst part of a Mookie Betts trade not even being the fact that Mookie Betts got traded. I can already see Shaughnessy's first article on him, the hooligan who replaced Mookie in RF. I can see Shaugnessy casaully asking him for advice on which model of GO-PRO he prefers.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 4, 2020 15:15:27 GMT -5
I never heard about that. That's freaking terrible. That alone makes me not want him one bit. I lost a TON of respect for Gabe Kapler when that story broke, and I don't think he should be allowed to be in a position of power in the league based on the reports of his behavior. No personal offense, but is it because the media doesn't bury, or even know about crimes committed by ballplayers nowdays and fans can be so "enraged" as they are? Do you think many of these same crimes were less committed earlier, only nobody knew about them? There is/was no precious union to come to Verdugo's defense here also and attempt to whitewash the entire matter, if indeed the story in entirely true. For me? I trust very little of what is written/seen in the media.
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Post by gerry on Feb 4, 2020 15:29:50 GMT -5
That seems more reputation than an actual problem. The reports about High School are bad, but he was crazy young. Since being drafted we have slight attitude problem right after being drafted and he overslept and missed a bus in 2017. Nothing from the last two years? Unless we are missing information I can certainly live with that. I originally considered that being a hispanic on a new team with strong willed, nose to the grindstone latino guys like Bogey, Vasquez and Devers (as well as Papi, Pedro, Febles, etc.) would help ameliorate any residual attitude issues. That may, in fact, be so, but being born and raised in Tucson as a Mexican American star athlete puts him well outside the “islander” box. With today’s game being so refreshingly international and inclusive, this should not be an issue in 2020. However, it is worth considering that as a Mexican-American from the Southwest he currently enjoys the support of LA’s vast, historically Mexican population, which is considerably larger than the entire population of Boston. And I can attest this Dodger fanbase bleeds blue, even in much of their minor leagues and ST. Hopefully he will not be sensitive to this or any issue (like cold weather or drunk bleacher creatures) and looks forward to playing at Fenway and is cheered on by New England fans like another Mexican American outfielder, the Splendid Splinter himself.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 15:44:57 GMT -5
I didn’t care about Verdugo to begin with but yikes, I forgot he was a scumbag too (at least at one point in time). Bloom isn’t stupid though. It’s pretty transparent that the Dodgers could care less about trading him so hopefully we reflect that in how much value we place on him as an asset in trade.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2020 15:53:02 GMT -5
That is what the Dodgers called an attitude problem after getting drafted?
That is a lot more. After reading everything it wasn't him, he was 19 partying with a 17 year old which isn't crazy. I just need a lot more information. Yet this isn't good and like how the F is this just coming out now?
Just when I thought the I had a handle on the trade, then this. I need time to think, wow.
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Post by juanpena on Feb 4, 2020 15:55:52 GMT -5
That alone makes me not want him one bit. I lost a TON of respect for Gabe Kapler when that story broke, and I don't think he should be allowed to be in a position of power in the league based on the reports of his behavior. No personal offense, but is it because the media doesn't bury, or even know about crimes committed by ballplayers nowdays and fans can be so "enraged" as they are? Do you think many of these same crimes were less committed earlier, only nobody knew about them? There is/was no precious union to come to Verdugo's defense here also and attempt to whitewash the entire matter, if indeed the story in entirely true. For me? I trust very little of what is written/seen in the media. Would you rather crimes got covered up? And do you not believe this incident happened even after Kapler (belatedly) apologized for how he handled it?
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