|
Post by voiceofreason on Jan 10, 2020 12:31:40 GMT -5
Jimed as I said earlier the problem with conspiracy theories is keeping everyone who knows happy and quiet. In this case you would expect it would be a pitcher who wouldn't be happy and that is what happened. The more people who know the truth about something the greater the chance the truth will come out obviously.
The vast majority of conspiracy theories are benefiting somebody in some way so it is just a form of propaganda. Now the Epstein thing is interesting to say the least. It is so explosive and there are so many powerful people involved while few who probably really know enough that aren't themselves guilty that we may never know the truth. Royalty, Presidents, past Presidents I mean holly molly what a conspiracy that makes for but the amount of pressure to make it go away is crushing. Heck it took years for the story to gain any traction to begin with, glad it did though. Funny, not so funny is this behavior is acceptable in Europe.
|
|
|
Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 10, 2020 16:40:06 GMT -5
"Hacking" is such an overstated term in what actually happened. They never changed any of their passwords after he left the organization. I can all but guarantee the IT people got fired for that. I don't think it'll be THAT bad on an organizational level because while what the Red Sox are being accused of could impact on the field W-L, what the Cardinals did was get scouting information on players and saw what another organization thought of certain players. Maybe the Astros were heavily interested in a later round pick that the Cardinals knew was going to be off the board, so they swooped in and took a flyer on them leaving them to take a less desirable player. There's a much longer impact on stealing an organization's information than immediate on the field W-L. I think the coaching staff (mainly the manager) will be given a strict suspension (up to a year) and the team will lose a 3rd or 4th just because this is another incident after the whole Apple watch incident. In regards to hacking I couldn't think of a better word and didn't know the details as you stated about the passwords. No, it wasn't aimed at you. Reporters keep calling it a hacking. Really, he just re-used his house key the landlord forgot to ask for it after he moved out. Unless I misheard what actually was involved.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jan 11, 2020 17:15:33 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jan 11, 2020 18:34:47 GMT -5
This is what I was trying to say a few pages ago. I don't see anything serious at all and I'd be absolutely shocked if every team didn't do it. It's not like using hidden cameras, scouts, spies and a new trashcan language in use for every single pitch of the game.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jan 12, 2020 7:05:49 GMT -5
This is what I was trying to say a few pages ago. I don't see anything serious at all and I'd be absolutely shocked if every team didn't do it. It's not like using hidden cameras, scouts, spies and a new trashcan language in use for every single pitch of the game. I guess I missed that. Seems all they did wrong is use the video room.
|
|
|
Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 12, 2020 7:25:14 GMT -5
1- Doesn't matter if other teams were doing it. If the Sox get caught, they're going to get singlehandedly punished. 2- The fact that they broke the same rule twice is the "damning" part in all of this. The Red Sox just look stupid for breaking the same rule twice in two different circumstances. 3- The Sox promised Manfred that they weren't going to break the same rule again, and they did. If he doesn't hand out something, then he looks bad.
Those three points is what it comes down to and why the Sox are probably again going to be made a example out of for being repeat offenders.
I just cross my fingers that the pick or picks taken away isn't the first round pick. Considering it's a mid first round pick, yeah that would hurt bad.
|
|
|
Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 12, 2020 11:24:08 GMT -5
Hacking is the correct term. The vast majority of sites get hacked through social engineering and lapsed physical security - passwords taped to desks, doors left often, screens left on, idle talk at parties... that sort of thing. That's the gateway for what comes next. It's all part of the "hack". Can the hair-splitting, please.
|
|
|
Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 12, 2020 11:57:09 GMT -5
Hacking is the correct term. The vast majority of sites get hacked through social engineering and lapsed physical security - passwords taped to desks, doors left often, screens left on, idle talk at parties... that sort of thing. That's the gateway for what comes next. It's all part of the "hack". Can the hair-splitting, please. It only counts as hacking if your keyboard makes extremely loud clicky-clacks.
|
|
|
Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jan 13, 2020 14:00:16 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal
One yr suspensions for Luhnow and Hinch
Loss of 1st and 2nd round picks for 2020 and 2021
$5 million fine
I suspect the Red Sox may be subject to loss of 2020 1st and 2 nd round picks
$5 million fine
Cora suspended for one year
|
|
|
Post by huskies15 on Jan 13, 2020 14:02:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I only care about the draft picks. The last thing the org needs is to lose out on a couple shots at talent.
|
|
|
Post by cotuitfan on Jan 13, 2020 14:08:06 GMT -5
holy moly
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Jan 13, 2020 14:08:11 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal One yr suspensions for Luhnow and Hinch Loss of 1st and 2nd round picks for 2020 and 2021 $5 million fine I suspect the Red Sox may be subject to loss of 2020 1st and 2 nd round picks $5 million fine Cora suspended for one year Why am I the only person to realize that what the Red Sox are accused of was nowhere close to what the Astros did? Every pitch of every home game for the Astros vs. only pitches after there's a runner on 2nd base for the following runner on 2nd base if they hadn't already changed the signs while they are actively protecting themselves from the runner on 2nd base stealing the signs. Just because they used an Apple Watch for who knows what in 2017, doesn't mean that using an unsupervised replay room for a very small if any advantage at all should be almost the same punishment. It's like getting a 2nd jaywalking ticket vs. being caught robbing a bank.
|
|
|
Post by orion09 on Jan 13, 2020 14:09:20 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 13, 2020 14:17:10 GMT -5
Hacking is the correct term. The vast majority of sites get hacked through social engineering and lapsed physical security - passwords taped to desks, doors left often, screens left on, idle talk at parties... that sort of thing. That's the gateway for what comes next. It's all part of the "hack". Can the hair-splitting, please. Technical term of gaining of unauthorized access to data in a system or computer is correct, though it is extremely misleading. He didn't social engineer, shoulder surf, phish, use any tools or programs. He literally just tried his old passwords and still had access after leaving the organization. Not saying what he did wasn't wrong, but what was done sounds much more sinister than the actual act.
|
|
|
Post by Smittyw on Jan 13, 2020 14:18:16 GMT -5
Seems like a good time for the Red Sox to generate some more positive press by trading off a veteran star for some sweet, sweet luxury tax savings.
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jan 13, 2020 14:20:30 GMT -5
Per Rosenthal One yr suspensions for Luhnow and Hinch Loss of 1st and 2nd round picks for 2020 and 2021 $5 million fine I suspect the Red Sox may be subject to loss of 2020 1st and 2 nd round picks $5 million fine Cora suspended for one year Why am I the only person to realize that what the Red Sox are accused of was nowhere close to what the Astros did? Every pitch of every home game for the Astros vs. only pitches after there's a runner on 2nd base for the following runner on 2nd base if they hadn't already changed the signs while they are actively protecting themselves from the runner on 2nd base stealing the signs. Just because they used an Apple Watch for who knows what in 2017, doesn't mean that using an unsupervised replay room for a very small if any advantage at all should be almost the same punishment. It's like getting a 2nd jaywalking ticket vs. being caught robbing a bank. You are not alone and I hope we are right.
|
|
|
Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 14:20:53 GMT -5
It's all good, our bountiful farm system overflowing with top level prospects can afford to take the hit. Yeah I'm personally sick of this crap and yeah I'm disappointed in Cora for introducing it further into the organization when the Sox already got punished for the apple watch thing. What a stupid, stupid thing to do. I hope Cora gets suspended now. He deserves it. You know he brought this from the Astros organization and thought it would be a good idea. Remember when I said this?
|
|
|
Post by voiceofreason on Jan 13, 2020 14:21:35 GMT -5
Seems like a good time for the Red Sox to generate some more positive press by trading off a veteran star for some sweet, sweet luxury tax savings. Great point.
|
|
|
Post by orion09 on Jan 13, 2020 14:24:32 GMT -5
|
|
nomar
Veteran
Posts: 10,825
|
Post by nomar on Jan 13, 2020 14:27:46 GMT -5
Gotta think that Cora being fired is on the table at this point. I don’t think that’s the case at all Look at this idiot
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 13, 2020 14:29:47 GMT -5
Why am I the only person to realize that what the Red Sox are accused of was nowhere close to what the Astros did? Every pitch of every home game for the Astros vs. only pitches after there's a runner on 2nd base for the following runner on 2nd base if they hadn't already changed the signs while they are actively protecting themselves from the runner on 2nd base stealing the signs. Just because they used an Apple Watch for who knows what in 2017, doesn't mean that using an unsupervised replay room for a very small if any advantage at all should be almost the same punishment. It's like getting a 2nd jaywalking ticket vs. being caught robbing a bank. You are not alone and I hope we are right. No, other writers have written what the Red Sox did wasn't as egregious as Houston. It was still cheating, albeit not anywhere near as bad as Houston. But more importantly the Red Sox will be severely punished, more because they were told to play it straight after the Apple Watch incident and disobeyed MLB. You can't have teams saying, "Yes sir" to MLB and then ignore them, get caught again, and not expect them to be severely punished. That would make MLB look really weak if they don't do something severe that says, mess with us and you'll pay. So the Red Sox will and should be punished severely. And I would consider losing badly needed draft picks to be severe punishment. Just lets the other teams in the league get another leg up on the Red Sox in the future.
|
|
|
Post by dirtywater43 on Jan 13, 2020 14:32:23 GMT -5
Actually, the lack of discussion of Cora getting punished is kind of mystifying. It wasn't until a scout friend asked me what I thought was going to happen to him for Houston that I realized that there's a real chance he's getting punished for it, and seriously so. I don't think he's getting fired, but I don't think freddysthefuture is wrong that firing him is now on the table depending on what the facts are in the two situations. If, for example, Cora was told by the front office right before the season not to do this, then he did, then yeah, that's fire-able. Now, I also don't think that's what happened, so we'll see. If Cora is caught doing this twice (once in Houston, once in Boston), they might not need to fire him. Lifetime ban could be on the table too. Remember when I said this too?
|
|
mobaz
Veteran
Posts: 2,780
|
Post by mobaz on Jan 13, 2020 14:34:15 GMT -5
John Farrell still available?
|
|
|
Post by swingingbunt on Jan 13, 2020 14:34:26 GMT -5
Wasn't really concered about this until I saw what Hinch got....Yeah the Sox are going to get hammered, and Cora might be done entirely.
When do we start the "Who manages the Sox in 2020” thread?
|
|
|
Post by cotuitfan on Jan 13, 2020 14:45:37 GMT -5
what happens to Beltran?
|
|