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Mookie Betts traded as part of a three-team deal
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 8:13:47 GMT -5
Yes, because will never know if this team could’ve made a run. We won’t have a team like that for years, I don’t care what they say About resetting. As for Price, he was very good until he got injured in 2019. I would’ve at least taken him into the All-Star break, especially with the ownership team telling us over and over again how he and Sale are ready to go. This is just a bad deal. Ownership is treating this team like they’re the Kansas City Royals or something. this does nothing more than put money in the owners pockets. if you look at the upcoming free agents, there is nothing to reload on. You have Mookie, Springer - Who will be 31 and not have a trashcan - and there isn’t a pitcher worth a damn on the free-agent market, and no one in the system at AA-AAA or even A projected to be better than a #3 This past year was the year to get a starter, with regards to free agents; the year before was the year to get relievers. Instead the Red Sox did nothing, and this is a big solution? What a joke. It’s beyond a white flag move. It’s a bad deal. On top of that, this whole idea that the 2021 team is going to be amazing now... I mean, Sale isn't young, and he's had arm issues. JDM isn't young, and he's had back issues. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't young (despite what people weirdly seem to believe) and he's pitching on a reconstructed knee. There's not much that's particularly bankable for 2021 besides Bogaerts and Devers. It's not like they have everything in place now to be Dodgers/Astros superteam after 2020. They have a couple franchise players and a whole lot of work to do.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 5, 2020 8:17:39 GMT -5
Yes, because will never know if this team could’ve made a run. We won’t have a team like that for years, I don’t care what they say About resetting. As for Price, he was very good until he got injured in 2019. I would’ve at least taken him into the All-Star break, especially with the ownership team telling us over and over again how he and Sale are ready to go. This is just a bad deal. Ownership is treating this team like they’re the Kansas City Royals or something. this does nothing more than put money in the owners pockets. if you look at the upcoming free agents, there is nothing to reload on. You have Mookie, Springer - Who will be 31 and not have a trashcan - and there isn’t a pitcher worth a damn on the free-agent market, and no one in the system at AA-AAA or even A projected to be better than a #3 This past year was the year to get a starter, with regards to free agents; the year before was the year to get relievers. Instead the Red Sox did nothing, and this is a big solution? What a joke. It’s beyond a white flag move. It’s a bad deal. On top of that, this whole idea that the 2021 team is going to be amazing now... I mean, Sale isn't young, and he's had arm issues. JDM isn't young, and he's had back issues. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't young (despite what people weirdly seem to believe) and he's pitching on a reconstructed knee. There's not much that's particularly bankable for 2021 besides Bogaerts and Devers. It's not like they have everything in place now to be Dodgers/Astros superteam after 2020. They have a couple franchise players and a whole lot of work to do. They better roll out the brinks truck for Devers. Don't let him get away.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 5, 2020 8:20:50 GMT -5
Yes, because will never know if this team could’ve made a run. We won’t have a team like that for years, I don’t care what they say About resetting. As for Price, he was very good until he got injured in 2019. I would’ve at least taken him into the All-Star break, especially with the ownership team telling us over and over again how he and Sale are ready to go. This is just a bad deal. Ownership is treating this team like they’re the Kansas City Royals or something. this does nothing more than put money in the owners pockets. if you look at the upcoming free agents, there is nothing to reload on. You have Mookie, Springer - Who will be 31 and not have a trashcan - and there isn’t a pitcher worth a damn on the free-agent market, and no one in the system at AA-AAA or even A projected to be better than a #3 This past year was the year to get a starter, with regards to free agents; the year before was the year to get relievers. Instead the Red Sox did nothing, and this is a big solution? What a joke. It’s beyond a white flag move. It’s a bad deal. On top of that, this whole idea that the 2021 team is going to be amazing now... I mean, Sale isn't young, and he's had arm issues. JDM isn't young, and he's had back issues. Eduardo Rodriguez isn't young (despite what people weirdly seem to believe) and he's pitching on a reconstructed knee. There's not much that's particularly bankable for 2021 besides Bogaerts and Devers. It's not like they have everything in place now to be Dodgers/Astros superteam after 2020. They have a couple franchise players and a whole lot of work to do. I feel like the rest...air out of the balloon and season......But we've enjoyed a remarkable run....How many teams have been able to win 4 Series in a span of 14 years? We waited 86 years!!! We'll be back. In the meantime the sun will rise, the sun will set, and we'll have lunch.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 8:22:40 GMT -5
They better roll out the brinks truck for Devers. Don't let him get away. They have no excuse not to now. On the flip side, now that this team isn't competing in any real sense this season, they should absolutely be taking offers on Eduardo Rodriguez. I feel like the rest...air out of the balloon and season......But we've enjoyed a remarkable run.... How many teams have been able to win 4 Series in a span of 14 years? We waited 86 years!!! We'll be back. In the meantime the sun will rise, the sun will set, and we'll have lunch. A wise man once told me I shouldn't pay for past performance.
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Post by SALNotes on Feb 5, 2020 8:22:58 GMT -5
I'm stepping back from the edge a bit, they got an extremely good cost controlled asset in Verdugo and a power pitcher that at least some believe can turn a line up over 3 times. With a combined 11 yrs of control. A 17 yr old to dream on would have been a perfect throw in here though.
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Post by nomar on Feb 5, 2020 8:24:28 GMT -5
They better roll out the brinks truck for Devers. Don't let him get away. They have no excuse not to now. On the flip side, now that this team isn't competing in any real sense this season, they should absolutely be taking offers on Eduardo Rodriguez. They should. Rodriguez still caries risk and his value has to be high right now.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 5, 2020 8:27:47 GMT -5
This was not a baseball trade. Even the D-backs got back much better players for Goldschmidt. This will be a rather long rebuild given the lack of young and talented players, particularly in the pitching area at all levels of the organization. The Bloom is definately off the 2020 Red Sox, including:
No manager Need another starting pitcher on February 5 Just traded away the 2nd best player in MLB, plus $15 million for each of the next 3 years (to subsidize Price's contract) for a 4th outfielder and overweight reliever, both coming off injuries Pending MLB penalities for sign stealing
As Eck says "Yuck."
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 5, 2020 8:31:54 GMT -5
I can't get over how good a pickup Price is for the Dodgers at 3/$45. They're paying him less than the Red Sox are paying Eovaldi. They got David Price at Will Smith money.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 8:34:49 GMT -5
I can't get over how good a pickup Price is for the Dodgers at 3/$45. They're paying him less than the Red Sox are paying Eovaldi. They got David Price at Will Smith money. He's going to be really good for them and I hope people around here are ready to hear about it A LOT.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 5, 2020 8:36:54 GMT -5
The David Price part of this trade is worse than the Mookie Betts part. A lot of people don't see that.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 5, 2020 8:38:37 GMT -5
I can't get over how good a pickup Price is for the Dodgers at 3/$45. They're paying him less than the Red Sox are paying Eovaldi. They got David Price at Will Smith money. He's going to be really good for them and I hope people around here are ready to hear about it A LOT. If Graterol is the better pitcher in 2 years it won't matter.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 5, 2020 8:43:57 GMT -5
They better roll out the brinks truck for Devers. Don't let him get away. They have no excuse not to now. On the flip side, now that this team isn't competing in any real sense this season, they should absolutely be taking offers on Eduardo Rodriguez. I feel like the rest...air out of the balloon and season......But we've enjoyed a remarkable run.... How many teams have been able to win 4 Series in a span of 14 years? We waited 86 years!!! We'll be back. In the meantime the sun will rise, the sun will set, and we'll have lunch. A wise man once told me I shouldn't pay for past performance. A wise man once said that pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered. I'm so thankful that we've won 4 times. Expecting that we would have won this year is really a shot in the dark 5-10%? and where would we be next year....much, much worse than now.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 5, 2020 8:44:52 GMT -5
The David Price part of this trade is worse than the Mookie Betts part. A lot of people don't see that. The Mookie Betts part is worse because it makes my whole self feel sad. Like, they could've traded him for Tatis and Gore and I'd have been sad about it. But the David Price acquisition by the Dodgers is arguably the best part of this deal for LA. It throws the whole "why are you trading for one year of Betts" out the window.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 5, 2020 8:47:53 GMT -5
I can't get over how good a pickup Price is for the Dodgers at 3/$45. They're paying him less than the Red Sox are paying Eovaldi. They got David Price at Will Smith money. Price is probably worth $20M to the Dodgers but worth shedding for us. He's 34, not worth keeping to us, could be a pain in a down season here. He was worth taking on 16M per to save $15 per plus potential trouble. We were not going to be winning Series with him as a financial drag going forward. Reset, flexibility get younger...reboot.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 5, 2020 8:54:46 GMT -5
This will be a rather long rebuild given the lack of young and talented players, particularly in the pitching area at all levels of the organization. No, this will be a quicker rebound now that there is flexibility. The key is not to have the new money burning a hole in your pocket to overpay for average like Hanley/Pablo. This is where Bloom will earn his money in seeing what creative salary absorbtion trades can yield marginal improvements in lots of areas, or, if quality free agents are properly priced (i.e., not Mookie**), going for those. And let's see if there are any prime Cubans coming onto the market, while not overpaying like Rusney. (Oscar Colas) www.pinstripealley.com/2020/1/11/21059107/yankees-mlb-oscar-colas-prospects-jasson-dominguez** You don't want to own the most expensive house on your block.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 5, 2020 8:56:58 GMT -5
With money coming off the books between now and 2023 and the tax threshold has been reset let's get a quick rundown on some of what they can now spend their money on:
2021: Mookie Betts J.T. Realmuto George Springer Daniel Murphy (mutual option) Justin Turner Marcus Semien Andrelton Simmons Jonathan Villar James Paxton Trevor Bauer
2022: Francisco Lindor Carlos Correa Corey Seager Trevor Story Javier Baez Anthony Rizzo Freddie Freeman Brandon Belt Salvador Perez Wilson Ramos Yan Gomes Michael Conforto Tommy Pham Starling Marte Kyle Schwarber Byron Buxton Aaron Nola Noah Syndergaard Clayton Kershaw Chris Archer Aroldis Chapman Kenley Jansen Brad Hand Jeurys Familia Corey Knebel Archie Bradley Raisel Iglesias Roberto Osuna
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 5, 2020 8:57:58 GMT -5
** You don't want to own the most expensive house on your block. That's not true if it's the best house on an in-demand block. With money coming off the books between now and 2023 and the tax threshold has been reset let's get a quick rundown on some of what they can now spend their money on: 2021: Mookie Betts J.T. Realmuto George Springer Daniel Murphy (mutual option) Justin Turner Marcus Semien Andrelton Simmons Jonathan Villar James Paxton Trevor Bauer 2022: Francisco Lindor Carlos Correa Corey Seager Trevor Story Javier Baez Anthony Rizzo Freddie Freeman Brandon Belt Salvador Perez Wilson Ramos Yan Gomes Michael Conforto Tommy Pham Starling Marte Kyle Schwarber Byron Buxton Aaron Nola Noah Syndergaard Clayton Kershaw Chris Archer Aroldis Chapman Kenley Jansen Brad Hand Jeurys Familia Corey Knebel Archie Bradley Raisel Iglesias Roberto Osuna Was this supposed to make me feel better? There's like three guys I'd want, and one of them they just traded. Did you put Osuna on this list to troll us?
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Post by jdb on Feb 5, 2020 8:59:31 GMT -5
I just don’t know about Price. If it’s such a slam dunk why did the Twins want Maeda over him? I don’t think he had the value around MLB that he seems to here. He’s averaged less than 120 innings the last 3 seasons and with that elbow and workload early in his career he’s a pitch away from missing two seasons.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 5, 2020 9:00:00 GMT -5
The David Price part of this trade is worse than the Mookie Betts part. A lot of people don't see that. Its because people don't care. They wanted Price gone by any means necessary. Its ridiculous. David Price is a good pitcher. People don't want to admit it.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 9:03:19 GMT -5
Well now that I know Yan Gomes is on the table for the 2022 season I see the wisdom of this move.
Also, for everyone who says that a Betts extension is unacceptably expensive and a de facto albatross... what do you think a Lindor contract looks like?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 9:04:39 GMT -5
Was this supposed to make me feel better? There's like three guys I'd want, and one of them they just traded. Did you put Osuna on this list to troll us? That list is like handing in a term paper in 18-point font. Yan Gomes? Archie Bradley? You really thought you were going to sneak that by? Can't wait for twenty twenty two to sign Archie Bradley, It's also just an extra little twist of the knife that so many of the best players on this list are shortstops and therefor not a great match for a team committed to Bogaerts and (we hope) Devers.
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Post by tomhouse on Feb 5, 2020 9:11:20 GMT -5
I just don’t know about Price. If it’s such a slam dunk why did the Twins want Maeda over him? Money. Maeda makes a little over $3m per year, while Price makes $32m per year.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 5, 2020 9:11:41 GMT -5
** You don't want to own the most expensive house on your block. That's not true if it's the best house on an in-demand block. With money coming off the books between now and 2023 and the tax threshold has been reset let's get a quick rundown on some of what they can now spend their money on: 2021: Mookie Betts J.T. Realmuto George Springer Daniel Murphy (mutual option) Justin Turner Marcus Semien Andrelton Simmons Jonathan Villar James Paxton Trevor Bauer 2022: Francisco Lindor Carlos Correa Corey Seager Trevor Story Javier Baez Anthony Rizzo Freddie Freeman Brandon Belt Salvador Perez Wilson Ramos Yan Gomes Michael Conforto Tommy Pham Starling Marte Kyle Schwarber Byron Buxton Aaron Nola Noah Syndergaard Clayton Kershaw Chris Archer Aroldis Chapman Kenley Jansen Brad Hand Jeurys Familia Corey Knebel Archie Bradley Raisel Iglesias Roberto Osuna Was this supposed to make me feel better? There's like three guys I'd want, and one of them they just traded. Did you put Osuna on this list to troll us? Osuna is still a great arm, but I don't want him for the obvious reason. He just rounded out my list. There's a ton of good players and you have more flexibility to get the guy you wanted most back. Assuming they don't, you have room over the next couple of years to acquire some real talent. The bullpen alone could be fixed through spending. If no Betts, I'm not going to be too angry with Aaron Nola and Javier Baez. The obvious downside is now waiting 2 years to get there. Still, there's no reason not to walk away without all 3 after the reset and money coming off the books over the next couple of years. JBJ will be gone. Pedroia will be gone. The rest of Price and Eovaldi will be gone after 2022. Martinez will be either gone next year or after 2022. That's also assuming they aren't able to deal any of these pieces before they expire. The only real expense coming up is Devers and maybe E-Rod. A part of me kind of hopes he struggles with minor injuries this year just so they can offer him a team friendly contract that he accepts. Plus, at this point, I have no use for this team winning games.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 5, 2020 9:20:47 GMT -5
Was this supposed to make me feel better? There's like three guys I'd want, and one of them they just traded. Did you put Osuna on this list to troll us? That list is like handing in a term paper in 18-point font. Yan Gomes? Archie Bradley? You really thought you were going to sneak that by? Can't wait for twenty twenty two to sign Archie Bradley, It's also just an extra little twist of the knife that so many of the best players on this list are shortstops and therefor not a great match for a team committed to Bogaerts and (we hope) Devers. For some reason I thought Archie Bradley was a better bullpen piece than what he was last year. Still, I'm not saying spend your Mookie money on Archie Bradley. Just that there's valuable bullpen arms when your bullpen has been this team's Achilles heel. It is unfortunate that 2022 is highlighted by a plethora of phenomenal SS, but there's some good pieces all around the diamond to be obtained.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 5, 2020 9:22:51 GMT -5
Three takeaways from this.
First, I'm more bitter at Dombrowski than I've ever been right now. He put us in this situation. (with Henry's approval)
Second, the Red Sox must be much higher on Graterol than anyone here. But, that fastball looks so nasty with so much movement. And Verdugo is going to wear out the Monster.
Third, I've been arguing with half the board for a long time about not trading Mookie, with many of the same people who are now throwing tantrums. I knew they weren't going to get an offer that would make it worth giving up on 2020 for. I almost talked myself into it with some of the recent rumors, which were obviously all bullshit. What is interesting is that I finally resigned myself to them trading Mookie and thus was already over it. I process things differently than others.
I don't think Mookie is going to have a great season in LA. That park doesn't suit him like Fenway does. All those cheap doubles off the wall will be outs. And hopefully that means the Red Sox can re-sign him along with extending Devers, because that's the only way that everything will be ok.
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