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Mookie Betts traded as part of a three-team deal
cdj
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Post by cdj on Feb 6, 2020 22:19:06 GMT -5
I wouldn’t get your hopes up, I don’t think they can justify throwing too much on top of Graterol for Maeda Maybe the pick? Hopefully a high upside guy like Jhoan Duran? We do need to replace Jhon Nunez’s name You went with the Jhon play instead of the Duran Duran in Portland joke? I hear hooves I think zebras!
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Post by bosox on Feb 6, 2020 22:21:11 GMT -5
We now have 1000 names to guess from boys! Maybe the Dodgers will use one of the prospects coming from the Angels in the Peterson - Stripling deal.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 6, 2020 22:21:18 GMT -5
We now have 1000 names to guess from boys! I’m staring to think Friedman has an unhealthy attachment to all his minor leaguers.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 6, 2020 22:31:03 GMT -5
We now have 1000 names to guess from boys! I’m staring to think Friedman has an unhealthy attachment to all his minor leaguers. Yup. Won't even part with a mid prospect like Downs. Hysterical that he's potentially going to let this thing fall apart.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Feb 6, 2020 22:32:22 GMT -5
How about the Dodgers get some damn skin in the game and trade one of THEIR prospects? Bloom is getting his ass kicked, Friedman basically told him it’s Verdugo for Mookie straight up, take it or leave it, and has not moved an inch since.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 6, 2020 22:38:57 GMT -5
How about the Dodgers get some damn skin in the game and trade one of THEIR prospects? I know, right? The easy fix is that Friedman just coughs up someone else the Red Sox like from his system.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 6, 2020 22:49:51 GMT -5
Maybe the deal is Verdugo and Maeda for Betts and Price, and the Red Sox are the ones flipping Maeda to Minnesota???
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 6, 2020 22:51:17 GMT -5
Tell the Dodgers to pound sand. Good luck selling to their fanbase a team without Mookie all because they didn't want to give up a prospect.
Seriously Chaim Bloom seems awful. What a terrible hire.
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Post by cdj on Feb 6, 2020 22:57:28 GMT -5
*eyeroll*
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 6, 2020 22:59:34 GMT -5
So we're clear, Verdugo was an an actual prospect, near the top of their system . That he was expendable given the (possible) arrival of Betts seems to have morphed on this board to "he stinks and wasn't a prospect". All that stuff is noise. Now, if you want to argue that there should be more on the table, have at it, but stick to the facts
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 6, 2020 23:04:52 GMT -5
How about the Dodgers get some damn skin in the game and trade one of THEIR prospects? Bloom is getting his ass kicked, Friedman basically told him it’s Verdugo for Mookie straight up, take it or leave it, and has not moved an inch since. I don't think anyone is getting their ass kicked - they seem to be playing chicken while the twins stand there chancing it with their pockets inside out like the Monopoly guy. Red Sox need a lower value starter. Perhaps the Dodgers can renegotiate with the Angels and send Stripling to Boston.
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Post by manfred on Feb 6, 2020 23:14:21 GMT -5
So we're clear, Verdugo was an an actual prospect, near the top of their system . That he was expendable given the (possible) arrival of Betts seems to have morphed on this board to "he stinks and wasn't a prospect". All that stuff is noise. Now, if you want to argue that there should be more on the table, have at it, but stick to the facts Fine, he’s a prospect. Good hitter, cannon arm, fringe-average power. So, as I said earlier, he’s likely comparable to Beni: hit for average, maybe 15-20 HR... better defense from AV, more speed from Beni. Problem is, if the idea is that these are your corner OF for 4 years, you better have a stud in CF not to have a pretty uninspiring OF. Edit: bleacherreport.com/articles/2818653-10-young-mlb-players-on-the-verge-of-becoming-superstars-in-2019#slide1The Nick Markakis comp hardly fires me up either.
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Post by cdj on Feb 6, 2020 23:25:09 GMT -5
prime Markakis was a stud, I’d be elated if we got a prime Markakis for one year of a guy
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 6, 2020 23:26:32 GMT -5
Bloom is getting his ass kicked, Friedman basically told him it’s Verdugo for Mookie straight up, take it or leave it, and has not moved an inch since. I hate this deal, but I don't think this is how this is happening. As another poster suggested, I think the deal is Verdugo and Maeda for Betts and Price with the Red Sox expecting to flip Maeda to the Twins. The Dodgers will only reengage if the Twins and Red Sox can't come to an agreement. I also think this deal is absolutely not on Bloom. He had no choice once everyone in the league knew Mookie was available. I think he did the best he could. The deal is atrocious, but it's not his fault and we could have done worse.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 6, 2020 23:45:15 GMT -5
If I'm Bloom, I'm calling SD to give them 1 last chance to get back in this. Let Dodgers fans stew because because they couldn't be bothered to add a B-Level prospect. I hope if the deal falls apart Betts is the difference between winning the division and losing in the first round of the Wild Card.
I respect Verdugo as a prospect, but if Gaterol is basically a cheap Eovaldi then this isn't a good return. Still want Gaterol, but I want more.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Feb 6, 2020 23:50:56 GMT -5
Bloom is getting his ass kicked, Friedman basically told him it’s Verdugo for Mookie straight up, take it or leave it, and has not moved an inch since. I hate this deal, but I don't think this is how this is happening. As another poster suggested, I think the deal is Verdugo and Maeda for Betts and Price with the Red Sox expecting to flip Maeda to the Twins. The Dodgers will only reengage if the Twins and Red Sox can't come to an agreement. I also think this deal is absolutely not on Bloom. He had no choice once everyone in the league knew Mookie was available. I think he did the best he could. The deal is atrocious, but it's not his fault and we could have done worse. The heart of the deal is Mookie for Verdugo, as in if you take out all the other moving parts, Bloom should still be able to get at least that. The problem is that’s not enough for Friedman to give him the starter he/we wanted, which is where subsidized Price comes in. I actually like Verdugo, but not enough to get excited about him being the only compensation when trading away Mookie Fing Betts.
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Post by manfred on Feb 6, 2020 23:59:21 GMT -5
prime Markakis was a stud, I’d be elated if we got a prime Markakis for one year of a guy Well, unfortunately, by 23 Markakis had already had his best season. Guy hit over 20 HRs twice. He was fine. But trading an MVP for him? Trading an MVP for a guy who has him as a ceiling? Not very exciting.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 7, 2020 0:03:40 GMT -5
The heart of the deal is Mookie for Verdugo, as in if you take out all the other moving parts, Bloom should still be able to get at least that. The problem is that’s not enough for Friedman to give him the starter he/we wanted, which is where subsidized Price comes in. I actually like Verdugo, but not enough to get excited about him being the only compensation when trading away Mookie Fing Betts. Oh I don't think it's nearly enough compensation, but I don't think we should have expected much more than that. Once ownership started talking about needing to trade Mookie or else the franchise might disband and that he would not give them a single dollar on the extension, that's it. It was game over. He was a rental that the team couldn't wait to get rid of. If it feels like Friedman is being stingy, that's just what you get for starting a negotiation with no leverage.
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Post by tonyc on Feb 7, 2020 1:52:01 GMT -5
Been a long time.. I think it’s too simplistic to view how well the Dodgers did in this trade for their situation as a negative for the reset that Boston was able to achieve through it. It was a given that they’d receive 60 cents on the dollar trading Betts, but would have been screwed long term had they not gotten something and dumped Price. Also, criticizing the “mess” they created necessitating this deal - that was the “Price” for winning in 2018. It’s been necessary to have a system building GM- Cherington, alternating with a “closer”- Dombrowski, and another builder again. Of course this is less painful for methan many of you because after a 4th World Series in 2018 (I go back to 1968 and would pray for one) I became less interested and stopped watching games. In part because building a team is more interesting to me than doing it partially the way the Yankees did with financial pull, like the Dombrowski Redsox. I’m not as interested in todays “launch angle” long games. Finally, Mookie’s turning down offers all this time has been emblematic of a game prioritizing greed over community, so I’m primarily interested in the Bruins. Better action, and desire for wealth, but a large priority on staying with the group.
As fans, too bad we’re not able to enjoy a Redsox team as I did as a youth in the late 60’s early 70’s- yes pained by not winning, but thrilled to see some great players and solid .540 winning percentages. And yes, Mookie was the most exciting right fielder- probably even better than Roberto Clemente who saved Bob Moose’s no hitter with a great catch in front of me.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 7, 2020 4:13:15 GMT -5
I still hope the Sox get Graterol, his arm is exciting. Just sounds like the Sox don't view him as a starter this year. Maybe they can build him up in 2021 if they hold off on him starting.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 7, 2020 6:11:48 GMT -5
The Red Sox come off looking worse by the minute with respect to this salary dump, Verdugo’s association with the beating and sexual assault of a 17 year old girl is pretty bad. Expecting a significantly overweight guy with a history of TJ, including being shelved for two months last year, to be a starter also looks very bad, Not a good start for Bloom and his staff.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 7, 2020 6:35:13 GMT -5
Tell the Dodgers to pound sand. Good luck selling to their fanbase a team without Mookie all because they didn't want to give up a prospect.Seriously Chaim Bloom seems awful. What a terrible hire. LOL, I think another 100 win season should sell it just fine. What is Bloom supposed to do? No one is bidding against the Dodgers, and the Dodgers can wait until the trading deadline to make their move. They have all the leverage.
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Post by cdj on Feb 7, 2020 7:32:11 GMT -5
The Red Sox come off looking worse by the minute with respect to this salary dump, Verdugo’s association with the beating and sexual assault of a 17 year old girl is pretty bad. Expecting a significantly overweight guy with a history of TJ, including being shelved for two months last year, to be a starter also looks very bad, Not a good start for Bloom and his staff. Describe to me his association with the sexual assault. He stood there and watched a drunk girl get beat up by other drunk girls. What a demon. If I were to criticize him for standing there as a drunk teen and watching somebody get beat up I would be a hypocrite. It’s obviously preferable that he would have stopped that but again, He’s a drunk teen. As long as he isn’t doing the assaulting I do not care
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 7:32:55 GMT -5
The Red Sox come off looking worse by the minute with respect to this salary dump, Verdugo’s association with the beating and sexual assault of a 17 year old girl is pretty bad. Expecting a significantly overweight guy with a history of TJ, including being shelved for two months last year, to be a starter also looks very bad, Not a good start for Bloom and his staff. Bloom was put in an awful position by JWH. The mandate was to get under 208 no matter what. Once JD opted in Mookie was a goner. Now what probably didn't need to happen was dumping Price since Mookie alone put them 5 or 6 million under that 208 number. All that being said Bloom didn't have to accept the job. He accepted the job knowing how ownership is and that he was going to be tasked with trading Betts while using Betts to dump a bad contract. The Nick Francona stuff that came out at the time of the deal and the subsequent podcast puts Verdugo in a very bad light. Urias too. James Baldwin should be in jail. But yes it seems like they didn't do due diligence on who they were getting back. I have two theories neither of which are really good. 1) As some have already speculated the return on Mookie Betts was not important. Or not nearly as important as the goal of getting under 208. So the medicals and background on the players were secondary until a deal was fully agreed upon. Which is semi normal anyways. 2) Bloom was an assistant to Friedman. Bloom looks at him as a mentor and Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing.
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Post by cdj on Feb 7, 2020 7:34:48 GMT -5
The Red Sox come off looking worse by the minute with respect to this salary dump, Verdugo’s association with the beating and sexual assault of a 17 year old girl is pretty bad. Expecting a significantly overweight guy with a history of TJ, including being shelved for two months last year, to be a starter also looks very bad, Not a good start for Bloom and his staff. Bloom was put in an awful position by JWH. The mandate was to get under 208 no matter what. Once JD opted in Mookie was a goner. Now what probably didn't need to happen was dumping Price since Mookie alone put them 5 or 6 million under that 208 number. All that being said Bloom didn't have to accept the job. He accepted the job knowing how ownership is and that he was going to be tasked with trading Betts while using Betts to dump a bad contract. The Nick Francona stuff that came out at the time of the deal and the subsequent podcast puts Verdugo in a very bad light. Urias too. James Baldwin should be in jail. But yes it seems like they didn't do due diligence on who they were getting back. I have two theories neither of which are really good. 1) As some have already speculated the return on Mookie Betts was not important. Or not nearly as important as the goal of getting under 208. So the medicals and background on the players were secondary until a deal was fully agreed upon. Which is semi normal anyways. 2) Bloom was an assistant to Friedman. Bloom looks at him as a mentor and Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing. The notion that the Red Sox didn’t do homework on that is LOL funny I love that Verdugo is nothing *eyeroll*
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