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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 7:46:14 GMT -5
Bloom was put in an awful position by JWH. The mandate was to get under 208 no matter what. Once JD opted in Mookie was a goner. Now what probably didn't need to happen was dumping Price since Mookie alone put them 5 or 6 million under that 208 number. All that being said Bloom didn't have to accept the job. He accepted the job knowing how ownership is and that he was going to be tasked with trading Betts while using Betts to dump a bad contract. The Nick Francona stuff that came out at the time of the deal and the subsequent podcast puts Verdugo in a very bad light. Urias too. James Baldwin should be in jail. But yes it seems like they didn't do due diligence on who they were getting back. I have two theories neither of which are really good. 1) As some have already speculated the return on Mookie Betts was not important. Or not nearly as important as the goal of getting under 208. So the medicals and background on the players were secondary until a deal was fully agreed upon. Which is semi normal anyways. 2) Bloom was an assistant to Friedman. Bloom looks at him as a mentor and Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing. The notion that the Red Sox didn’t do homework on that is LOL funny I love that Verdugo is nothing *eyeroll* Please highlight where I said Verdugo is nothing. Until you can do that you're arguing against a point that doesn't exist. The return sucked. Verdugo is a good piece but that doesn't change the severe character flaws that trump his on the field performance. Mookie alone could have gotten more. Price being included hurt the return on the deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 7, 2020 7:46:15 GMT -5
I understand hating that Mookie Betts got traded, but the amount that folks here are overestimating what one season of a player who is dead set at testing free agency is worth its bananas.
For example, not trying to single out any one poster, but the multiple assertions that they just gave Betts away for nothing are absolutely ridiculous. You don't have to think it was worth it, but a 2019 Top 100 guy who had the 2019 season Verdugo just did and a 2020 top 100 guy who projects at worst as a back end reliever and at best as a #2/3 starter, plus getting rid of half of Price's contract, isn't a worthless package.
You don't have to like the trade or what the trade itself was, but posters need to turn down the exaggeration and/or be a bit more reasonable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 7, 2020 7:47:04 GMT -5
The notion that the Red Sox didn’t do homework on that is LOL funny I love that Verdugo is nothing *eyeroll* Please highlight where I said Verdugo is nothing. The return sucked. Verdugo is a good piece but Mookie alone could have gotten more. Price being included hurt the return on the deal. You literally wrote "Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing."
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 7:50:16 GMT -5
Please highlight where I said Verdugo is nothing. The return sucked. Verdugo is a good piece but Mookie alone could have gotten more. Price being included hurt the return on the deal. You literally wrote "Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing." True true. I apologize for the error. He is not nothing but it's an underwhelming return.
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Post by cdj on Feb 7, 2020 7:51:03 GMT -5
The notion that the Red Sox didn’t do homework on that is LOL funny I love that Verdugo is nothing *eyeroll* Please highlight where I said Verdugo is nothing. Until you can do that you're arguing against a point that doesn't exist. The return sucked. Verdugo is a good piece but that doesn't change the severe character flaws that trump his on the field performance. Mookie alone could have gotten more. Price being included hurt the return on the deal. Is this real life?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 7:52:04 GMT -5
Please highlight where I said Verdugo is nothing. Until you can do that you're arguing against a point that doesn't exist. The return sucked. Verdugo is a good piece but that doesn't change the severe character flaws that trump his on the field performance. Mookie alone could have gotten more. Price being included hurt the return on the deal. Is this real life? It was an error. I meant to say underwhelming. We all make them.
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Post by tomhouse on Feb 7, 2020 8:04:02 GMT -5
Did Bloom return to the Padres to ask if their offer was still on the table?
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 7, 2020 8:12:54 GMT -5
You literally wrote "Friedman exploited that relationship to get top talent for nothing." True true. I apologize for the error. He is not nothing but it's an underwhelming return. I mean, it's 11 years of control split between two solid young players in exchange for 1 year of control over Mookie in a season where the chances aren't great that the Red Sox can even get to the World Series. When you add the financial flexibility this creates going forward... it's really not the end of the world.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Feb 7, 2020 8:18:04 GMT -5
Did Bloom return to the Padres to ask if their offer was still on the table? I don't think circling back on a discounted Wil Myers and prospects will help the PR backlash.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 7, 2020 8:27:10 GMT -5
Per Jon Heyman...
Red Sox are said to be trying to reconfigure the part of the Betts 3-team deal with the Twins (meaning more than Graterol). While there’s still hope the mega deal gets done in some form, some involved are now suggesting it’s not a certainty.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 7, 2020 8:37:31 GMT -5
Did Bloom return to the Padres to ask if their offer was still on the table? I don't think circling back on a discounted Wil Myers and prospects will help the PR backlash. Knowing what the LA package is, Id rather take that deal.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 8:41:50 GMT -5
Did Bloom return to the Padres to ask if their offer was still on the table? I don't think circling back on a discounted Wil Myers and prospects will help the PR backlash. That Padres package is a better return. Hopefully after all of the dust settles Bloom has a thought to trade for a subsidized Myers and get a prospect or two for his troubles.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 7, 2020 8:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 7, 2020 9:04:04 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Twins would have any interest in this trade if Graterol isn't enough. Kenta Maeda isn't that exciting.
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Post by levi on Feb 7, 2020 9:08:09 GMT -5
I wonder if they're trying to pry that top prospect away from the Twins or Dodgers. I assume "top prospect" means top 100 guy. If it's from the Twins, Balazovich or Larnach might be in play. If it's from the Dodgers, Gray or Downs (possibly Gonsolin?) might be in play.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 7, 2020 9:09:23 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Twins would have any interest in this trade if Graterol isn't enough. Kenta Maeda isn't that exciting. The Twins farm certainly isn't as exciting as the Dodgers either.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 7, 2020 9:14:41 GMT -5
The Red Sox come off looking worse by the minute with respect to this salary dump, Verdugo’s association with the beating and sexual assault of a 17 year old girl is pretty bad. Expecting a significantly overweight guy with a history of TJ, including being shelved for two months last year, to be a starter also looks very bad, Not a good start for Bloom and his staff. Describe to me his association with the sexual assault. He stood there and watched a drunk girl get beat up by other drunk girls. What a demon. If I were to criticize him for standing there as a drunk teen and watching somebody get beat up I would be a hypocrite. It’s obviously preferable that he would have stopped that but again, He’s a drunk teen. As long as he isn’t doing the assaulting I do not care From what I read on SOSH, he wasn't part of the assault, but if I read it correctly, he was taping what was going on. If I misread it, I apologize profusely, but if I understood it correctly, he was recording it. That's not something to be proud of, to say the least, and it makes me uncomfortable with him being on my team, not that it matters how I feel. Makes it feel like I'm only rooting for laundry in his case, particularly when I contrast that with Mookie sneaking out to feed the homeless. Between that and past immaturity issues, perhaps that's why the Dodgers haven't blinked when putting him on the trade block. I hope his past immaturity issues are in the past and he's learned from his mistakes, but it's not a good look to say the least - if what I interpreted was correct.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 7, 2020 9:15:00 GMT -5
Take Brent Rooker, he's not much defensively but that's a solid bat
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 7, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Twins would have any interest in this trade if Graterol isn't enough. Kenta Maeda isn't that exciting. Not to turn this into a circular argument, but he was exciting enough for them to want to trade Graterol in the first place. Anyhow, I still prefer to never part with Betts but I will grudgingly accept Alex Kirilloff as compensation to set things right here.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 7, 2020 9:18:42 GMT -5
Take Brent Rooker, he's not much defensively but that's a solid bat I mean, the value would be there, but I don't see how the Red Sox can come away from this deal without a starter that's at least somewhere close to being Major League ready.
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Post by nomar on Feb 7, 2020 9:24:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why the Twins would have any interest in this trade if Graterol isn't enough. Kenta Maeda isn't that exciting. Not to turn this into a circular argument, but he was exciting enough for them to want to trade Graterol in the first place. Anyhow, I still prefer to never part with Betts but I will grudgingly accept Alex Kirilloff as compensation to set things right here. ICYMI: Everyone who isn't a demigod sucks now
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Post by julyanmorley on Feb 7, 2020 9:26:24 GMT -5
It looks to me like the Twins were not acting in good faith regarding Graterol's shoulder. The Red Sox caught them and....nobody besides Chaim Bloom cares.
If they don't want Graterol anymore, then the Dodgers have prospects that were ranked in the same general ballpark. It can't be that hard to make a deal. Maybe the Red Sox have to throw in some extra money, or a lesser prospect.
If they still want Graterol, then maybe they can squeeze a lottery ticket out of the Twins. But the idea that the Twins are just throw in another top 100 guy is absurd.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 7, 2020 9:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 7, 2020 9:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 7, 2020 9:44:45 GMT -5
Describe to me his association with the sexual assault. He stood there and watched a drunk girl get beat up by other drunk girls. What a demon. If I were to criticize him for standing there as a drunk teen and watching somebody get beat up I would be a hypocrite. It’s obviously preferable that he would have stopped that but again, He’s a drunk teen. As long as he isn’t doing the assaulting I do not care From what I read on SOSH, he wasn't part of the assault, but if I read it correctly, he was taping what was going on. If I misread it, I apologize profusely, but if I understood it correctly, he was recording it. That's not something to be proud of, to say the least, and it makes me uncomfortable with him being on my team, not that it matters how I feel. Makes it feel like I'm only rooting for laundry in his case, particularly when I contrast that with Mookie sneaking out to feed the homeless. Between that and past immaturity issues, perhaps that's why the Dodgers haven't blinked when putting him on the trade block. I hope his past immaturity issues are in the past and he's learned from his mistakes, but it's not a good look to say the least - if what I interpreted was correct. Here is an article referencing the assault of an underage girl. It is alleged that Verdugo was the player who recorded and posted on social media the incident where the 17 year old girl got beat up by two other girls. BTW-Kapler doesn't look good for his part in this incident, including trying to arrange an apology for the girl. highheelsonthefield.typepad.com/all_heels_on_deck/2019/02/dodgers-after-dark-the-sexual-assaults-mlb-never-investigated-a-teams-culture-unexamined.html
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