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Mookie Betts traded as part of a three-team deal
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 8, 2020 9:23:26 GMT -5
Just trade Mookie to SD if Minnesota of all teams is trying to low ball us. Campusano, Lucchesi, Margot, and whatever we have to pay of Myers doesn't look so bad suddenly.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2020 9:35:12 GMT -5
Boras puppet or not, he's not wrong. The whole idea that Mookie wants to be in Boston I think is wishful thinking anyway, but the team is doing its damnedest to extinguish any kind feelings he might have towards them. Mmm, sure want to come back to the team that couldn't even trade me away correctly. No he isn't. Its looking at this situation through rose colored glasses to believe that the Red Sox are in the drivers seat. They honestly probably will accept the deal as is and move on. It was a good try but Friedman is amazing at his job and Bloom got played by his old boss. What was interesting to me was that the Red Sox waited for their fanfest in Springfield to be over with, where they said they anticipate Mookie being on the opening day roster, to make their trade. I agree with the other poster saying that Bloom got played by his new boss. Henry telegraphed the Red Sox' intentions, enough to the point where nobody wanted to be GM because they knew they'd have to cut payroll and make the most unpopular transaction since Babe Ruth. Everybody knew the Red Sox were going to cut payroll and trade Mookie. They all knew that nobody was taking Price and Bradley off of their hands. Bloom really thought he was getting a young all-star RF, which he may well be - on the field Verdugo is a solid hitter with some pop who can play excellent defense for the next 5 years, but he also thought he was getting that elusive near big league ready top of the rotation cost controlled starter. He thought that he and Friedman found a sucker in the Twins - that was where he miscalculated. So now what? He knows that whatever deal he makes won't be anywhere near as good as what he thought he was getting. It's hard to imagine David Price and Mookie Betts sitting at that picnic table at Fort Myers. It did happen with Nomar and Manny in 2004 but those trade attempts occurred in Dec/early Jan. This is very fresh and cutting. I can't see it. They'll have to modify the deal and Bloom will have to get off his demand of getting a young possible ace and settle. As it is, the Red Sox have a pissed off fanbase, they have pissed off the MLPBA (not that anybody really cares what Tony Clark thinks), pissed off Boras (or rather put him in defense mode of his client Graterol - not that anybody really cares what Boras thinks), Arte Moreno, who really wants that Pederson, Shipley, Pages deal to go through (why not? He makes out very well in that deal depending upon who he gives up), and the Twins, who can't believe the Sox only now realize that Graterol is a reliever, which the Twins already knew and telegraphed to everybody else. And oh yea, they made it clear to Betts that they can live without him, and I'm sure Price wouldn't be happy to return - he must be chomping at the bit to get the hell out of Boston. Alot of anger all around.
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Post by fenwaydouble on Feb 8, 2020 9:37:58 GMT -5
Jon Heyman is up early this morning encouraging the Red Sox to just accept a franchise-altering trade that they're not happy with in order to avoid hurting Mookie and Price's feelings. I wonder if it's hard to tweet with Scott Boras pulling all those strings. Does this moron know Mookie is a free agent next year? Pressure is on Dodgers to wrap this up. Can they really ask Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda to go to Dodgers camp? Seriously, what a dope.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 8, 2020 9:41:16 GMT -5
If it's strictly business, as Mookie says, then he shouldn't care if they tried to trade him. Sox just doing the same thing - business. Mookie put himself in this position. Not blaming Mookie, but also not sure what he would expect. This cannot come as a surprise. He a professional and will go and play hard and try to earn his next contract, no matter what team he plays for.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 8, 2020 9:48:43 GMT -5
Just trade Mookie to SD if Minnesota of all teams is trying to low ball us. Campusano, Lucchesi, Margot, and whatever we have to pay of Myers doesn't look so bad suddenly. I'm guessing this is why the Dodgers trade was accepted. The Sox don't want to pay anything if another contract isn't going to the Padres. Which does make sense because if they pick up Myers without Price going back then it defeats the purpose of this deal.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 9:59:13 GMT -5
Strange that a deal takes this long to finalize.... Strange to the point of wondering whether this is more of a “Mookie stared at the reality of what was about to happen and decided he really could be happy making $30M/yr, for way too many years, playing in Boston.” Now, nothing about any of that is intended to disparage other teams or really any other aspect of the deal. But, sometimes we as human beings while in the process of making those ‘big decisions’ in life sometimes watch as everything goes down to the absolute frayed end of last thread on the wire, to the point where for many years later you will have this bizarre story-of-all-stories to share over beers and campfires, and about that time when this really important aspect of your life almost becomes something else entirely....it’s right then when you realize that you’re pretty happy with where you’ve been all along. (Welcome back home, Mookie. Congrats on the $300M extension) I think more likely it'll reinforce to Mookie that there's no loyalty and it really is all just about business, so I think he'll still be going to go to the highest bidder at the end of the season and if it's the Red Sox, cool, but if it's not, he'll enjoy his new home. Mookie has treated the situation this way from the time he was offered an extension the first time. He has no loyalty already, so no change. I am not saying he needs to have loyalty. That is his right not to and to go to the highest bidder. But whether or not this trade happens won’t change that for him. It was already his mindset.
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Post by bluechip on Feb 8, 2020 10:08:39 GMT -5
If it's strictly business, as Mookie says, then he shouldn't care if they tried to trade him. Sox just doing the same thing - business. Mookie put himself in this position. Not blaming Mookie, but also not sure what he would expect. This cannot come as a surprise. He a professional and will go and play hard and try to earn his next contract, no matter what team he plays for. Can’t see Mookie becoming a malcontent. First of all, it doesn’t seem to be his nature. Secondly, it could cost him tens of millions of dollars.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 10:09:46 GMT -5
Just trade Mookie to SD if Minnesota of all teams is trying to low ball us. Campusano, Lucchesi, Margot, and whatever we have to pay of Myers doesn't look so bad suddenly. Actually this would be worse. We don’t need left handed starting pitching that is mediocre, and an OF who can’t hit. Campusano, Olivares, Arias, Munoz and Cantillo would not be so bad comparatively, but Patino is really who they wanted, esp based on the trade they did. But Betts for Myers and a load of minor league talent is fine and all we need to do is get rid of Price early enough to shed enough cap money to offset Myers $14MM AAV for tax purposes. That should be doable if Price is healthy. If Price is not healthy and we didn’t trade for a 2020 starting pitcher, we won’t be a playoff team anyway, so JBJ can be traded and whoever else. For the love of god, I can’t figure out why we spent 6.5MM on Martin Perez who was worth a minor league invite only, and that makes this all more difficult. And yes, I realize they won’t get value for Bradley, but if somebody has CF go down and needs one, they will take him, and we will not get anything of value unless multiple teams are in that position, but this would only be your next move if Price is hurt. So a risk you would end updown that road to finish the cap relief job if Price could be dealt even while covering a substantial part of his deal. i also think that Price for $14-16MM per season should be a deal numerous teams would give us value for. So if we are not getting the top of the rotation starter in this deal, there is no reason Betts and Price need to be packaged.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 8, 2020 10:16:07 GMT -5
the Sox have not looked this ridiculous since they screwed up the Billy Beane hiring in 2003 and had to hire Epstein, or, when Epstein snuck out and quit on them. Or, when they held up the 2005 Beckett trade a couple of days because of the shoulder issues.
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Post by cdj on Feb 8, 2020 10:19:44 GMT -5
Does this moron know Mookie is a free agent next year? Pressure is on Dodgers to wrap this up. Can they really ask Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda to go to Dodgers camp? Seriously, what a dope. David Price is probably thrilled with us for trying to trade him, probably gonna work his ass off now that he knows it’s a possibility lol
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 10:21:55 GMT -5
Pressure is on Dodgers to wrap this up. Can they really ask Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda to go to Dodgers camp? Seriously, what a dope. David Price is probably thrilled with us for trying to trade him, probably gonna work his ass off now that he knows it’s a possibility lol Right - Price would be happier elsewhere. Mookie wants to be in “business.” We can totally get out and not worry about them in spring training. The other teams have a much worse situation in this regard.
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Post by manfred on Feb 8, 2020 10:25:31 GMT -5
Pressure is on Dodgers to wrap this up. Can they really ask Alex Verdugo and Kenta Maeda to go to Dodgers camp? Seriously, what a dope. David Price is probably thrilled with us for trying to trade him, probably gonna work his ass off now that he knows it’s a possibility lol I am no Price hater. The guy has had a few bad looks, but even those can be viewed as forgivable when you see his side of it. He has never been in trouble (*ahem*), has busted his buns, fought through injuries and age, and been surprisingly valuable. I mean, I might not want to have him to a BBQ (though I don’t know that... his teammates seem to like him), but having been very strongly against signing him, I’ve come to appreciate him. I am for trading him, but I will remember him fondly.
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Post by cdj on Feb 8, 2020 10:31:04 GMT -5
David Price is probably thrilled with us for trying to trade him, probably gonna work his ass off now that he knows it’s a possibility lol I am no Price hater. The guy has had a few bad looks, but even those can be viewed as forgivable when you see his side of it. He has never been in trouble (*ahem*), has busted his buns, fought through injuries and age, and been surprisingly valuable. I mean, I might not want to have him to a BBQ (though I don’t know that... his teammates seem to like him), but having been very strongly against signing him, I’ve come to appreciate him. I am for trading him, but I will remember him fondly. Totally agree. I wish that were the case for most people but I’m not sure it is He hurt eck’s feelings that one time boo hoo
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Post by cdj on Feb 8, 2020 10:32:13 GMT -5
And this isn’t to say that the other guys involved in either trade would sit out or become malcontents or anything......but boy oh boy would it be awkward for them and the organization
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 10:36:28 GMT -5
And this isn’t to say that the other guys involved in either trade would sit out or become malcontents or anything......but boy oh boy would it be awkward for them and the organization It would be awkward with a guy who loves Boston like Pedroia back in the day or Ortiz but Mookie and Price aren’t those guys.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 8, 2020 10:36:30 GMT -5
Waiting for evidence that the whole Mookie trade rumor/held up trade marathon is a secret conspiracy drawn up by SP.com staff to get us to check this site every hour.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 8, 2020 10:39:38 GMT -5
Another counterpoint to Heyman’s tweet...
There are 27 million reasons the Red Sox can “ask” Mookie to go to camp. There are 31 million reasons why they can ask the same of Price. Seriously. They are extremely well paid employees. Go do the damn job where you’re told.
My terse words are directed at Heyman. I’m nearly certain the players would agree they go play and play hard wherever they are employed.
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Post by jbsox on Feb 8, 2020 10:44:28 GMT -5
A movie could be made about this off-season called something like “Leaving the Sox Hanging” with no resolution yet with the penalties for possible cheating, no new manager, this trade mess, and the Noah Song situation. Lol
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 10:50:42 GMT -5
The Twins, a team that has like a .300 winning percentage against the Yankees over the last two decades trying to low ball anyone would normally be funny to me. The fact it might work is scaring me.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 8, 2020 10:58:53 GMT -5
A movie could be made about this off-season called something like “Leaving the Sox Hanging” with no resolution yet with the penalties for possible cheating, no new manager, this trade mess, and the Noah Song situation. Lol Actually, I seriously think you could make a decent 30 for 30 episode about this trade. Same, even if it falls through.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 8, 2020 11:50:32 GMT -5
the Sox have not looked this ridiculous since they screwed up the Billy Beane hiring in 2003 and had to hire Epstein, or, when Epstein snuck out and quit on them. Or, when they held up the 2005 Beckett trade a couple of days because of the shoulder issues.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 8, 2020 13:46:49 GMT -5
I am not sure anyone is to blame here. There was a trade proposed, there was the.appropriate vetting done,.and there was a request to revisit the terms. While unusual in baseball, it is something that happens often. I give Chaim and the Sox credit. Sounds to me like he is doing what he is being paid to do.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 13:59:29 GMT -5
the Sox have not looked this ridiculous since they screwed up the Billy Beane hiring in 2003 and had to hire Epstein, or, when Epstein snuck out and quit on them. Or, when they held up the 2005 Beckett trade a couple of days because of the shoulder issues. Best post in the thread.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 14:24:43 GMT -5
Is anyone sure that the Dodgers/Twins trade was actually part of a 3 way trade vs a series of Dodgers trades? In the initial reporting, it said that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins, and then they were trading him in the Betts/Price deal. If the Dodgers accepted the trade with the Twins, they may need to honor that, and we could still walk away due to the medical on Graterol. Whether or not the Dodgers trades were truly contingent on the Betts/Price deal going through may be part of the issue here. Maybe the Dodgers owe Maeda and Pederson/Stripling/Pages for Graterol and Rengifo + whatever the other LAA prospect piece is, and the Sox walk away. Not trying to stir things up that are inaccurate — so my question is... Does anyone know why is was reported that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins for Maeda and then sending him to Boston vs just a straight 3 way deal where Graterol would hav come straight to Boston? www.twincities.com/2020/02/04/twins-trade-top-pitching-prospect-brusdar-graterol-obtain-starter-kenta-maeda-from-dodgers/
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 14:31:13 GMT -5
Actually the headline and the story I posted don’t match. In the story they say we traded for Verdugo and Maeda, and then we had the separate trade with the Twins of Maeda for Graterol.
Anyway — I don’t know what happened, but I know that how it happened matters to who should have to chip in or who would be left with what if they walk away.
If we had a deal with the Twins after the Dodgers traded us Verdugo and Maeda, then we could be stuck with that, and the Twins could walk from the second deal if it was not contingent and they don’t want to add to Graterol for Maeda.
But please understand — I am not saying I know what happened. I am simply asking if anyone actually knows the order of operations and whether they were actually contingent deals?
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