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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 8, 2020 14:47:32 GMT -5
Is anyone sure that the Dodgers/Twins trade was actually part of a 3 way trade vs a series of Dodgers trades? In the initial reporting, it said that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins, and then they were trading him in the Betts/Price deal. If the Dodgers accepted the trade with the Twins, they may need to honor that, and we could still walk away due to the medical on Graterol. Whether or not the Dodgers trades were truly contingent on the Betts/Price deal going through may be part of the issue here. Maybe the Dodgers owe Maeda and Pederson/Stripling/Pages for Graterol and Rengifo + whatever the other LAA prospect piece is, and the Sox walk away. Not trying to stir things up that are inaccurate — so my question is... Does anyone know why is was reported that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins for Maeda and then sending him to Boston vs just a straight 3 way deal where Graterol would hav come straight to Boston? www.twincities.com/2020/02/04/twins-trade-top-pitching-prospect-brusdar-graterol-obtain-starter-kenta-maeda-from-dodgers/As long as none of the deals have been formalized then the order they're drawing up the paperwork doesn't matter. So, none of the above is what happened because none of it has happened (otherwise they would have switched teams already)
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 8, 2020 15:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 15:11:29 GMT -5
Is anyone sure that the Dodgers/Twins trade was actually part of a 3 way trade vs a series of Dodgers trades? In the initial reporting, it said that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins, and then they were trading him in the Betts/Price deal. If the Dodgers accepted the trade with the Twins, they may need to honor that, and we could still walk away due to the medical on Graterol. Whether or not the Dodgers trades were truly contingent on the Betts/Price deal going through may be part of the issue here. Maybe the Dodgers owe Maeda and Pederson/Stripling/Pages for Graterol and Rengifo + whatever the other LAA prospect piece is, and the Sox walk away. Not trying to stir things up that are inaccurate — so my question is... Does anyone know why is was reported that the Dodgers were acquiring Graterol from the Twins for Maeda and then sending him to Boston vs just a straight 3 way deal where Graterol would hav come straight to Boston? www.twincities.com/2020/02/04/twins-trade-top-pitching-prospect-brusdar-graterol-obtain-starter-kenta-maeda-from-dodgers/As long as none of the deals have been formalized then the order they're drawing up the paperwork doesn't matter. So, none of the above is what happened because none of it has happened (otherwise they would have switched teams already) Actually verbal commitments are legally binding. In this case, the deals are agreed to pending medical reviews. There is only one medical review reported to have hit a snag. Unless the deals were clearly contingent, the others need to go through if they have no medical problems of their own.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 8, 2020 15:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by mainesox on Feb 8, 2020 15:16:16 GMT -5
Some form of this deal is still almost certainly going to happen. Whether it's straight up with the Dodgers, or a different third team is found, it's unlikely that this falls apart completely and Betts and Price stay in Boston.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 8, 2020 15:19:28 GMT -5
This was logical for MN. They should not have needed to give up more for Maeda.
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Post by wildsox on Feb 8, 2020 15:20:23 GMT -5
This is a joke right? How can this even happen?
I never knew you can give teams days to think about the trade and then back out
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Post by redsox3in10 on Feb 8, 2020 15:21:06 GMT -5
This was logical for MN. They should not have needed to give up more for Maeda. Logical all around. They didn't need to give up more and the Red Sox wanted a starter.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 8, 2020 15:23:52 GMT -5
Not sure who has more leverage at this point, the Red Sox or Dodgers. If there is a trade it would have to be a straight up deal vs adding a third team at this point. Perhaps the Padres, Braves or Angels come into the picture for Betts only. The Red Sox may be stuck with Price for the near term.
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Post by Guidas on Feb 8, 2020 15:24:22 GMT -5
the Sox have not looked this ridiculous since they screwed up the Billy Beane hiring in 2003 and had to hire Epstein, or, when Epstein snuck out and quit on them. Or, when they held up the 2005 Beckett trade a couple of days because of the shoulder issues. Or the ARod "trade," at least, when it comes to in the moment perceptions.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 8, 2020 15:26:04 GMT -5
Really surprised that the Twins would do that. They really could use Maeda now. They need to strengthen their starting staff to go along with the terrific lineup they have.
Sox could actually use Maeda as well but his contract goes out to 2023 and that is too long a commitment. He may or may not be a good trade piece down the road but why risk it.
Sox really need prospect return. Will be an interesting next few hours/days to see this play out.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 8, 2020 15:28:08 GMT -5
I don't know if this trade will be completed if for no other reason than I'm not completely convinced that Andrew Friedman can actually trade one of his own prospects without going into convulsions.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 8, 2020 15:28:10 GMT -5
Not sure who has more leverage at this point, the Red Sox or Dodgers. If there is a trade it would have to be a straight up deal vs adding a third team at this point. Perhaps the Padres, Braves or Angels come into the picture for Betts only. The Red Sox may be stuck with Price for the near term. The Dodgers have pressure on them as well, not just us. Friedman was recently booed soundly at their fan fest event for missing out on both Cole and Rendon while basically doing nothing to put them over the hump this off-season. Alex Wood is their big move so far.
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Post by redsox3in10 on Feb 8, 2020 15:28:58 GMT -5
Really surprised that the Twins would do that. They really could use Maeda now. They need to strengthen their starting staff to go along with the terrific lineup they have. Sox could actually use Maeda as well but his contract goes out to 2023 and that is too long a commitment. He may or may not be a good trade piece down the road but why risk it. Sox really need prospect return. Will be an interesting next few hours/days to see this play out. It would seem that we are right back to square one, potentially. Mookie plays well either way (staying or leaving) because he has millions of reasons to put up great numbers going into free agency. Price may be pretty bent about the whole thing. I suspect he would want to be moved either way. Hopefully, at 3 years and $48M there are a few teams out there who would be interested in him.
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Post by marrcus on Feb 8, 2020 15:35:14 GMT -5
Like 3/4 posters expressed concern over Graterol it seemed nuts to take a chance but the RS ok'd it just wanting to move quickly. It will be interesting to see if the next added piece will be as talented as a what Graterol was thought to be?
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Post by bluechip on Feb 8, 2020 15:35:43 GMT -5
Not sure who has more leverage at this point, the Red Sox or Dodgers. If there is a trade it would have to be a straight up deal vs adding a third team at this point. Perhaps the Padres, Braves or Angels come into the picture for Betts only. The Red Sox may be stuck with Price for the near term. The Dodgers have pressure on them as well, not just us. Friedman was recently booed soundly at their fan fest event for missing out on both Cole and Rendon while basically doing nothing to put them over the hump this off-season. Alex Wood is their big move so far. The Dodgers would seem to have more fan pressure than the Red Sox to accomplish this trade. Their fans thought they were getting a superstar. They are going to hold onto Gray after this?
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Post by nomar on Feb 8, 2020 15:36:14 GMT -5
Probably for the best IMO
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 8, 2020 15:37:02 GMT -5
I agree with Bloom/Sox demanding more and holding the line if the medicals were bad; but inb4 Graderol steps into the Twins rotation and pitches like a stud next year because of course that's gonna happen.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 15:37:45 GMT -5
German got suspended and Paxton needs back surgery, Id say running it back is a legitimate option.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 8, 2020 15:38:42 GMT -5
Someone tell Don Cabellero that he can love the Red Sox again. 😀
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 15:38:52 GMT -5
I agree with Bloom/Sox demanding more and holding the line if the medicals were bad; but inb4 Graderol steps into the Twins rotation and pitches like a stud next year because of course that's gonna happen. What is more likely Mookie Price balls out and Price pitches like a stud.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 8, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
What a debacle this has become. On the bright side, Joc Pederson is gone so that adds pressure to LA.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 15:41:48 GMT -5
I agree with Bloom/Sox demanding more and holding the line if the medicals were bad; but inb4 Graderol steps into the Twins rotation and pitches like a stud next year because of course that's gonna happen. I’ve has shoulder impingement. Of course its not the same for everyone and I am not a professional athlete but I am very active, what I can say is your bone structure plays a role in many cases. That is something that cannot be fixed with mechanics. That would explain why the Red Sox changed their mind when they saw the medicals.
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 8, 2020 15:46:25 GMT -5
What a debacle this has become. On the bright side, Joc Pederson is gone so that adds pressure to LA. no, I believe that one's been held up as well until the Mookie deal gets finished...
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 8, 2020 15:46:58 GMT -5
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