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Post by chr31ter on Feb 8, 2020 22:15:02 GMT -5
Feinsand on MLB.com:
"Should the Red Sox and Dodgers fail to work out a trade, Boston could begin shopping Betts around the league again. Multiple teams have already reached out to the Red Sox since the three-way trade hit its first speed bump, sources said, so while Boston remains committed to working something out with Los Angeles, there are options if a deal is unable to be completed."
Options other than the Dodgers? Interesting.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 8, 2020 22:18:52 GMT -5
Feinsand on MLB.com: "Should the Red Sox and Dodgers fail to work out a trade, Boston could begin shopping Betts around the league again. Multiple teams have already reached out to the Red Sox since the three-way trade hit its first speed bump, sources said, so while Boston remains committed to working something out with Los Angeles, there are options if a deal is unable to be completed." Options other than the Dodgers? Interesting. The Dodgers and Twins missed their chance to fleece us by being stingy with prospects.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2020 22:19:42 GMT -5
Feinsand on MLB.com: "Should the Red Sox and Dodgers fail to work out a trade, Boston could begin shopping Betts around the league again. Multiple teams have already reached out to the Red Sox since the three-way trade hit its first speed bump, sources said, so while Boston remains committed to working something out with Los Angeles, there are options if a deal is unable to be completed." Options other than the Dodgers? Interesting. Bidding wars are good. Don't think it will ultimately matter as i think the deal with LA still goes through, but maybe it will make Friedman stop being so greedy with his deep farm system.
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Post by mainesox on Feb 8, 2020 22:36:51 GMT -5
Feinsand on MLB.com: "Should the Red Sox and Dodgers fail to work out a trade, Boston could begin shopping Betts around the league again. Multiple teams have already reached out to the Red Sox since the three-way trade hit its first speed bump, sources said, so while Boston remains committed to working something out with Los Angeles, there are options if a deal is unable to be completed." Options other than the Dodgers? Interesting. Bidding wars are good. Don't think it will ultimately matter as i think the deal with LA still goes through, but maybe it will make Friedman stop being so greedy with his deep farm system. It could be the Red Sox themselves floating that out there hoping it does just that, or it could be the truth (well, technically it could be the Red Sox AND the truth, I guess). If it is true, I wonder if there were teams out there who never came calling because they assumed the price would be too steep until they saw the rumored return in this trade.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 8, 2020 22:44:11 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll.
I don't know why the idea of including Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 8, 2020 22:54:16 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. Maybe the Sox don't particularly like Gonsolin?
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 8, 2020 23:08:50 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. That's just the natural conclusion to what people are defending about this trade. You want the owner to save money for made up reasons? Well, you got it.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Feb 8, 2020 23:28:52 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. If the goal is getting under the luxury tax and they can accomplish that for this year with the money exchanged as is, would more money really be added value?
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 8, 2020 23:32:05 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. Maybe the Sox don't particularly like Gonsolin? I don't know why they wouldn't. Good K rate. Good walk rate. I think he has a chance to be the next Mike Clevinger. 6 years of team control. Only 25 years old. This guy is everything the Sox should want.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 8, 2020 23:37:19 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. If the goal is getting under the luxury tax and they can accomplish that for this year with the money exchanged as is, would more money really be added value? Yeah, Henry is potentially saving 90-100 mil over three years by resetting and making a unpopular move, I don’t think he’s going to shorten the return and piss of the fan base more to save a couple mil more.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 9, 2020 0:28:14 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. I was wondering why LA wouldn't help figure this out since it seems the Twins couldn't. Would have been happy myself with just the extra inclusion of a Ferguson, even if Boston had to send LA a low odds wild card in return.. Such as a Bello type.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 9, 2020 0:56:03 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. I was wondering why LA wouldn't help figure this out since it seems the Twins couldn't. Would have been happy myself with just the extra inclusion of a Ferguson, even if Boston had to send LA a low odds wild card in return.. Such as a Bello type. If the Dodgers just ate all of Price's salary then I'd be happy.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 9, 2020 0:57:01 GMT -5
If the goal is getting under the luxury tax and they can accomplish that for this year with the money exchanged as is, would more money really be added value? Yeah, Henry is potentially saving 90-100 mil over three years by resetting and making a unpopular move, I don’t think he’s going to shorten the return and piss of the fan base more to save a couple mil more. I'm fairly confident the plan is to reset in 2020 and blow by it in 2021 and 2022.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 9, 2020 1:15:10 GMT -5
As long as none of the deals have been formalized then the order they're drawing up the paperwork doesn't matter. So, none of the above is what happened because none of it has happened (otherwise they would have switched teams already) Actually verbal commitments are legally binding. In this case, the deals are agreed to pending medical reviews. There is only one medical review reported to have hit a snag. Unless the deals were clearly contingent, the others need to go through if they have no medical problems of their own. In major league baseball, all contracts of transactions between teams are submitted in written form through the league office and can be rejected by either the commissioners office or, in some cases, the MLBPA in instances where player compensation is affected (the Arod to Red Sox deal is a good example of this). These processes are collectively bargained to operate in this manner between MLB and MLBPA and as MLB would be considered a single entity, exempt from competition, their rules are binding (until the supreme Court rules otherwise). Therefore there are no agreements without approval of the commissioners office, written or verbal.
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Post by nonothing on Feb 9, 2020 1:21:15 GMT -5
Padres deal Manuel Margot and prospect Logan Driscoll to the Rays for RHP Emilio Pagan. Margot had been part of discussions with the Red Sox about Betts. Trading Margot suggests that Padres don’t expect Sox to re-engage on Betts, so SD opted to move on to another deal. per Alex Speier Twitter Trading Margot to somebody who values him suggests the Padres were not going to send him to Boston, even though the Padres clearly wanted to deal him. It is not clear to me at all that this wouldn’t be a helpful trade before the Padres would deal for Betts. If the Sox were not interested in Margot, but the Pads wanted to move Margot — then sending him elsewhere makes sense. Especially if the Sox might want Munoz or Baez, SD getting Pagan makes sense. The logic that the Pads are not interested in Betts because Manny Margot got moved in a deal for Pagan — seems silly. Why would the Sox have wanted Margot at all? I imagine they didn’t. He just isn’t a fit for the kinds of guys we want in return. He doesn’t appear to have high upside now or in the future, nor does he even appear to be a guy the Sox would want to be a starter ever. So why would we take him in a deal? I imagine we wouldn’t... so SD trading him to TB for a different player should have no impact on whether or not a Betts trade might occur with the Padres.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 9, 2020 1:38:17 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. I was wondering why LA wouldn't help figure this out since it seems the Twins couldn't. Would have been happy myself with just the extra inclusion of a Ferguson, even if Boston had to send LA a low odds wild card in return.. Such as a Bello type. I think Friedman has a lot of Cherington like qualities in regards to hording prospects.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 9, 2020 1:54:43 GMT -5
friedman has a separate room in his office with pictures of his top prospects pinned to the wall where he just drools.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 9, 2020 4:27:25 GMT -5
Ian Browne suggests that the Dodgers could just throw in more money for Price, instead of throwing in another prospect. That sounds exciting. Eyeroll. I don't know why the idea of including Gonsolin is a seemingly untouchable piece to give up. I personally think Gonsolin is a very undervalued commodity. Hes the type of prospect that has a good projection, but blows past it in short order. He really does have the makings of a Clevinger type. That would be my guess as to why the Dodgers "would" have a tough time moving him. For all I know they have never even spoken a word of Gonsolin though. He just seems to be the right piece for what we need and want. The 25 years old part may spook them a tiny bit, but he is ready to contribute now. I also think the chance the Sox accept something where the Dodgers eat more of Price's contract won't happen. Mainly because of LA. To accomplish the first terms they had to move Pederson which got them under the luxury tax. So increasing the money would completely eliminate that goal. They may hate having to give up prospects, but im sure thats what they will inevitably do.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 9, 2020 4:31:58 GMT -5
Anyone think that the Dodgers could value their prospects over Julio Urias? I would love if they could get him somehow. Urias has had some medical issues, but he is still a no question starter. It would be interesting to see if they may pull back Verdugo but consider Urias and a lower OF prospect.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Feb 9, 2020 6:24:01 GMT -5
The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff.
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Post by GyIantosca on Feb 9, 2020 7:06:26 GMT -5
I love the fact the Sox if they don’t feel right with the medicals don’t do it. I don’t care who is mad . After those deals not just Pomerez. But the Thornberg deal with the Brewers. That guy they got from the Mariners. I mean give me a break. If I was the Dodgers why are they being so cheap. They got everything. They have a legit chance to sign Mookie. Kick in another prospect.
I don’t feel bad for the Twins. All of a sudden they making there move to contend. Wow good for you guys that’s what we do every year not every five. These teams collect there competitive extra picks like there welfare from the league. The Sox are moving Betts no matter what.
By the way they try to sign Betts they approach his people last year 10 years 310 million excellent starting point. Betts people 12 years 440. Lol. Over one hundred million off. Lol. It’s sucks we get the one guy that has to get every dollar on the market , we can’t have the guy the Braves signed. I mean Betts but being able to sign him like the Braves did with there guy.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 9, 2020 8:29:32 GMT -5
The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff. Because they believed if his medicals were pretty clean he could be a starter. I mean, look at what Bloom and TB did with pitching prospects when he was there. If you want to insert your own post-hoc feelings about the guy, fine. I'mma gonna give the benefit of the doubt who gets paid to make these decisions and who has, in fact, been making these decisions with TB with a pretty nice track record. But they did their due diligence, they got the medicals, and saw things they didn't like (which none of us are privy to). Kudos to Bloom for standing up and saying this isn't what we were looking for, what we were hoping for.
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Post by ianrs on Feb 9, 2020 8:37:55 GMT -5
The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff. Maybe because they did their due diligence with a physical (you can't scout a guy's shoulder) and said wait a minute...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 9, 2020 8:41:58 GMT -5
The Twins were planning on using Graterol as a reliever. That makes sense given his delivery motion, history of arm and shoulder problems, and being significantly overweight. He missed two months last season due to injuries. All this information is publicly available. Why would the Red Sox think he could be a starter? Not a good start for Bloom and his scouting staff. Maybe because they did their due diligence with a physical (you can't scout a guy's shoulder) and said wait a minute... This whole framing of "they didn't realize he's a reliever" is bizarre. What baseball person even thinks in those terms? Literally every pitching prospect has some significant chance of becoming a reliever attached to them.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 9, 2020 9:00:41 GMT -5
Maybe because they did their due diligence with a physical (you can't scout a guy's shoulder) and said wait a minute... This whole framing of "they didn't realize he's a reliever" is bizarre. What baseball person even thinks in those terms? Literally every pitching prospect has some significant chance of becoming a reliever attached to them. Seriously? Obviously every front office realizes that a player might be a reliever. However, the Sox saw something in the medicals however, that made them think his arm might not be able to hold up to the innings a starter would have. Huge difference.
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