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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 13:29:03 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2020 13:37:03 GMT -5
I’d take McDaniels at the end of the first round.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 14, 2020 13:46:33 GMT -5
www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draftKevin O'Connor mock draft 1.0 14. Boston Celtics: Aleksej Pokusevski (Big, Olympiacos B) The Celtics don’t really need anything. They’re deep at wing, have low-cost centers, and have plenty of lead ball handlers. With two more first-rounders later, why not take a boom-or-bust player here? Pokusevski is the draft’s biggest gamble: He’s a 7-foot beanpole who can shoot and handle like a guard. He’ll become the second-youngest player drafted since high schoolers were barred from entering. Pokusevski might not pan out if he doesn’t add weight, but the Celtics can afford to roll the dice. 26. Boston Celtics: Tyler Bey (Wing/Big, Colorado) By playing rookie Grant Williams in pivotal moments of this postseason, the Celtics showed how much they value the ability to play small with a floor full of smart, reliable defenders. Bey can switch on to multiple positions, and at age 22, he has both the brain and the body to play a role right away. 30. Boston Celtics: Nico Mannion (Guard, Arizona) Danny Ainge has a history of drafting top high school recruits who fall in the draft (such as Avery Bradley and Jared Sullinger) and he has a thing for small, sparkplug scoring guards (from Eddie House to Isaiah Thomas to Terry Rozier). Mannion checks both boxes: He was a top prospect, but struggled to create space off the dribble as a freshman, so his stock has fallen accordingly. But he has undeniable talent as a passer and shooter, making him worth the investment for teams in the late first round. My thoughts: I really doubt they make and keep 3x first round picks, or go that boom-or-bust at 14. Langford also fits the profile KOC quotes for Nico, but I don't know how you double up on "high upside low floor guard with lots of development" on a conference finalist.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 14:10:15 GMT -5
I doubt they go that crazy at 14, too many guys with high ceilings and much higher floors. Yet I wouldn't be surprised by a very upside type draft. You don't have playing time, so go for the raw upside guys. Stick them in the g-league and see what happens. I'd rather that than going after guys like Grant Williams. A guy I bet slides to second round if Danny didn't pick him. You want those guys, trade back for a 2nd and future first. Which is something he might do.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 14:21:31 GMT -5
RJP how good is Tre Jones D? Seen some people say he's one of the better defenders at PG.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2020 14:45:13 GMT -5
RJP how good is Tre Jones D? Seen some people say he's one of the better defenders at PG. It was great at the college level. Very good one on one on the perimeter and always in passing lanes but I question how good it can be at the NBA level. He’s just under 6’3 and has a 6’4 wing span. His frame is pretty small. You look at a slimmer guy like Kriss Dunn he has a 6’9 wing span.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 15:07:12 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with that at PG compared to a guy like Walker and Thomas. It's how guys play. He seems a little underrated in this draft because he doesn't have crazy upside, yet he's a crazy safe pick. It just depends what you want from your PGs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2020 15:45:21 GMT -5
Sure but those other guys bring offense. I don’t have a problem with Jones being picked by the Celtics. If he learns to shoot consistently then he could start in the NBA possibly.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 16:08:41 GMT -5
Sure but those other guys bring offense. I don’t have a problem with Jones being picked by the Celtics. If he learns to shoot consistently then he could start in the NBA possibly. I'm talking in the draft, there's no potential Walker or Thomas in this draft. The only top 100 guy under 6' is Howard from Marquette and he can't be those guys because he lacks their athletic ability. It is really about his shooting, I'll draft Jones the 2020 player, not 2019. Yet based on FT percentage he seems a good bet to be closer to 36% than 26%.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 17:39:34 GMT -5
www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draftHere's the full mock. If they draft falls that way a trade up to nine could be in play. That seems like a team that would want more guys and picks. A trade up from 26 or a trade down from 26/30, as there are a bunch of guys I like falling into round #2. So basically anything is in play. I still love Maxey, yet Cole Anthony fits Danny's MO as the Ringer points out he loves former top rated high school guys. I'd probably say Danny picks Anthony, I'd go Maxey, yet like both guys. Yet Anthony has those red flags that he could be an Irving type guy. Is Anthony okay being a backup? Yet he's also likely the highest floor highest ceiling guy on the board at that point. I do have big doubts he lasts to 14 though. www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019/order/true
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 14, 2020 18:10:45 GMT -5
www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draftHere's the full mock. If they draft falls that way a trade up to nine could be in play. That seems like a team that would want more guys and picks. A trade up from 26 or a trade down from 26/30, as there are a bunch of guys I like falling into round #2. So basically anything is in play. I still love Maxey, yet Cole Anthony fits Danny's MO as the Ringer points out he loves former top rated high school guys. I'd probably say Danny picks Anthony, I'd go Maxey, yet like both guys. Yet Anthony has those red flags that he could be an Irving type guy. Is Anthony okay being a backup? Yet he's also likely the highest floor highest ceiling guy on the board at that point. I do have big doubts he lasts to 14 though. www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2019/order/true Maxey was also a top High School guy tho so he can fit that bill. Josh Green too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2020 18:53:50 GMT -5
Well Anthony was #2, Maxey was 14th, Green 8th.
Tatum was #3, Brown #4 and Langford #5. For whatever that means.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 17, 2020 11:56:06 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Sept 23, 2020 7:58:40 GMT -5
NOT A RUMOR BUT . . .
Bleacher Report's Jon Wasserman's latest mock draft (including 3 trades) AND an ESPN roundtable discussion both pose the idea of trading all 3 1st rounders to Detroit to move up to 7. Wasserman mocks Ty Haliburton and Givonny (ESPN) talks about Haliburton and Okongwu as appealing prospects (also mentions Toppin, Avdija and Okoro).
The rationale for Detroit would be that their need for players (only 2 under contract following next season) would have to outweigh any difference in value between a guy they get at 7 and one they'd get at 14.
Boston would have to believe there to be a significant difference in the players available at 7 vs 14.
I GUESS this could be that kind of draft (where 2 teams have a VERY different opinion on the players in that range).
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 23, 2020 8:07:54 GMT -5
NOT A RUMOR BUT . . . Bleacher Report's Jon Wasserman's latest mock draft (including 3 trades) AND an ESPN roundtable discussion both pose the idea of trading all 3 1st rounders to Detroit to move up to 7. Wasserman mocks Ty Haliburton and Givonny (ESPN) talks about Haliburton and Okongwu as appealing prospects (also mentions Toppin, Avdija and Okoro). The rationale for Detroit would be that their need for players (only 2 under contract following next season) would have to outweigh any difference in value between a guy they get at 7 and one they'd get at 14. Boston would have to believe there to be a significant difference in the players available at 7 vs 14. I GUESS this could be that kind of draft (where 2 teams have a VERY different opinion on the players in that range). I was looking at that yesterday, I would be surprised if they wanted those two players for that package but it’s possible. I do like Haliburton but that’s seems like a lot for that... if they are jumping up, I’d like to see Vassell if they make that move.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 23, 2020 8:32:12 GMT -5
NOT A RUMOR BUT . . . Bleacher Report's Jon Wasserman's latest mock draft (including 3 trades) AND an ESPN roundtable discussion both pose the idea of trading all 3 1st rounders to Detroit to move up to 7. Wasserman mocks Ty Haliburton and Givonny (ESPN) talks about Haliburton and Okongwu as appealing prospects (also mentions Toppin, Avdija and Okoro). The rationale for Detroit would be that their need for players (only 2 under contract following next season) would have to outweigh any difference in value between a guy they get at 7 and one they'd get at 14. Boston would have to believe there to be a significant difference in the players available at 7 vs 14. I GUESS this could be that kind of draft (where 2 teams have a VERY different opinion on the players in that range). I was looking at that yesterday, I would be surprised if they wanted those two players for that package but it’s possible. I do like Haliburton but that’s seems like a lot for that... if they are jumping up, I’d like to see Vassell if they make that move. Makes sense to me. I'm all on board if their guy is there.
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Post by ianrs on Sept 23, 2020 13:31:19 GMT -5
I'm kinda lukewarm on that unless Killian Hayes, Okongwu, or Vassell is there (1, 2, and 3 on my board). I just think theres a chance really solid players fall in this draft making our late picks more valuable not to mention more affordable. But if a guy like that is there, go get him.
I would try to get Maxey and Tillman/Bane. If one of Tillman/Bane aren't available, get a 3rd upside pick (Poku, Bolmaro, McDaniels)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2020 13:13:12 GMT -5
What's the talent difference from pick 7 to pick 14? Heck what's the talent difference from pick one to pick 14 if Anthony or Maxey are pick 14 guys?
That trade would be a lot easier if Detroit had it's second round pick to throw in. I'm not against it if Danny thinks one guy is worth it. Yet I don't see it from a value point of view, those guys all seem to be in the same tier.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 24, 2020 13:52:06 GMT -5
That's why I think Bos and Det would have to have a very different opinion on the players available in each spot(range) for the move to make sense.
Yes, Detroit will need bodies but it's better to have the superior player (and 2 minimum players) than 3 lesser (but good players). But, as UMass suggests, if the talent difference between the 2 spots is minimal, then why would Boston want to give up 2 1sts to get a comparable player.
The only way it works is if Detroit sees the value as pretty flat in that range while Boston sees a player at 7 in a very different tier than at 14.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2020 15:47:09 GMT -5
www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2013.htmlIn 2013 to move up from 16 to 13 it cost two second round picks and they weren't high second round picks either, they were mid second round picks. I bring this up because the drafts are similar. No tier one guys, no obvious first pick type players. That draft had a lot of international guys, this one has a lot of freshman. This draft is deeper in my opinion, yet second best player went 27th. That could literally happen in this draft. In regards to this trade idea, I can absolutely see one team thinking the talent level is flat and one team thinking it's different. The thought process makes sense. Detroit getting more players and Boston targeting one better one, the same thing applies for Washington in my opinion. The real question is how do you grade the players in tiers and what is the cost to move up a tier. I'm not an expert, yet I don't see a tier one guy and I only see a few tier two guys, then I see a fairly large tier three group that lasts into the mid first round. Yet you could debate when it goes from tier three to tier four, then I see a rather big tier four group. That's the strength of this draft the tier three and tier four. The potential NBA starters and maybe starters/high level role players. How you rate these guys really determines this draft and how you'd make trades. You need to determine who you can get at seven vs 16, 26 and 30. If Detroit thinks it can still get a tier 3 guys at 14, with a good chance at some tier four guys at 26 and 30 it's a no brainer type trade. If Danny thinks he's getting a tier 4 guy at 14 and can get a tier two guy at seven, you make that trade all day long. What doesn't make sense is trading two late firsts in a deep draft to just pick the best tier three guy. So it's really about ranking and they are all over the place much more than normal. Let's hope the Combine which starts in a few days will start making these rankings easier. Yet with a bunch of international guys and tons of young freshman this will never be an easy to grade draft. Example RJPs guy Stanley from Duke. He's currently a tier five guy or tier six guy based on his draft position. Going in the 40s of a lot of mocks. Yet I think you can make a good case he's closer to a tier four guy with starter or high level rotation guy upside. High level athlete that can play D and shoot the three. The draft used to be a lot easier because guys stayed in school, so you had a lot more information. Now guys declare even if they aren't locks to get drafted because of the 60 two way contracts teams have. You have guys like Dort go undrafted to starting in the playoffs as a rookie dropping 30 points. In drafts like that I prefer more chances. I'll take the three chances at raw players over the one better one unless Danny thinks a tier two guy drops and he can get him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2020 10:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Sept 28, 2020 13:08:56 GMT -5
I would trade Hayward (expiring contract) and maybe Langford with 3 or 4 first round picks for Joel Embid.
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Post by trajanacc on Sept 28, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
I mean yeah who wouldn’t like to trade a bad contract plus a bunch of projected bench players for a superstar. Maybe we can get them to trade us Simmons for Theis and a few bed bath and beyond coupons.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Sept 28, 2020 18:46:17 GMT -5
I mean yeah who wouldn’t like to trade a bad contract plus a bunch of projected bench players for a superstar. Maybe we can get them to trade us Simmons for Theis and a few bed bath and beyond coupons. The 76's just fired their coach and are souring on Embid. I think they could rebuild or completely retool here. Expiring contract gives them options to sign future max contract players. 4 first round picks builds for the future. The Celtics need another real big.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 28, 2020 18:50:39 GMT -5
Doc is fired from the Clippers. A surprise but kinda not. Not sure who will be an upgrade though.
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