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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 16:51:07 GMT -5
Finally Tatum got the 5 year 195 max
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 17:15:32 GMT -5
He has a player option after year 4... that’s too bad
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Post by philarhody on Nov 22, 2020 17:48:34 GMT -5
He has a player option after year 4... that’s too bad That is too bad. So 5 years left to win a title. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 18:25:41 GMT -5
Would you rather get a 30m trade exception or Rozier?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2020 18:46:20 GMT -5
Given Walkers knee, give me Rozier.
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Post by philarhody on Nov 22, 2020 20:53:28 GMT -5
Would you rather get a 30m trade exception or Rozier? Probably Rozier. The amount of trade exceptions that don’t get used is ridiculous. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 21:00:33 GMT -5
Would you rather get a 30m trade exception or Rozier? Probably Rozier. The amount of trade exceptions that don’t get used is ridiculous. Agree but one that big could be used for a sign and trade of a free agent next year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 6:59:36 GMT -5
I know we never know anything but people are worried Tatum is going to jump ship in 4 years because that’s what stars do. They also point to Kyrie being in his ear. That makes the assumption that Tatum isn’t his own person and also ignores the fact that Tatum is the closest to Bradley Beal who’s the most loyal player in the league is seems.
Also, here’s his mom:
“He wants to not just say that he played here his whole career, but that he brought the city of Boston a couple of banners and his number is retired. I’m certain he would love that.”
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Post by mobaz on Nov 23, 2020 9:35:54 GMT -5
This does not make me feel better. I guess he fits the age timeline of the team better?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 9:55:31 GMT -5
This does not make me feel better. I guess he fits the age timeline of the team better? Let’s see what Pritchard is but he’s the same age as Obi Toppin and I’m pretty sure people would be excited about him despite the major holes in his game. People are worried about Pritchards athleticism not his skill, work ethic, motivation or shooting and I’ve seen plenty of times where things like that dog a player who turns out to be a lot better than expected. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 23, 2020 10:04:31 GMT -5
I know we never know anything but people are worried Tatum is going to jump ship in 4 years because that’s what stars do. They also point to Kyrie being in his ear. That makes the assumption that Tatum isn’t his own person and also ignores the fact that Tatum is the closest to Bradley Beal who’s the most loyal player in the league is seems. Also, here’s his mom: “He wants to not just say that he played here his whole career, but that he brought the city of Boston a couple of banners and his number is retired. I’m certain he would love that.” In this age of player/team relational insecurity, that would put Tatum on par with Larry Bird and Bill Russell in my book. If he can bring a couple banners and retire a Celtic? Unbelievable. The city should support this kid and the Celtics need to build a team around him. Which makes the drafting of Nesmith and Pritchard puzzling to me. |
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Post by philarhody on Nov 23, 2020 10:21:45 GMT -5
This does not make me feel better. I guess he fits the age timeline of the team better? What frustrated me about this draft is that you had star potential players in your range, and you drafted Payton Pritchard and traded away pick 30. After Danny drafted Olynyk over Giannis, I remember him saying in the draft presser that Olynyk looked like he could be a rotational player on a good team (after he barely played during parts of these playoffs, that’s been proven wrong). And in 2019 he recalled thinking that Giannis “looked like a kid that just needed a long time to develop.” Signing Thompson and Teague proves rotational players are easy enough to get that you don’t need to spend first round picks on them. Is anyone projecting Pritchard to have Jeff Teague’s career? If he’s DJ Augustin the Celtics would be thrilled. I think you have to take greater risks than that. Especially when landing a star is increasingly more difficult in Boston. I feel like this was an awesome offseason to reset the roster and build around Jayson. Let Hayward walk for nothing. If he can’t handle being a secondary option in a city that cares, let him be the 6 richest person in Charlotte. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 23, 2020 11:22:10 GMT -5
This does not make me feel better. I guess he fits the age timeline of the team better? While many here are don't like this pick as they would rather shoot for a higher ceiling/star potential prospect, this pick highlights what I mentioned before the draft. An older more NBA ready player who fits the current teams age group, the C 's don't need to get any younger. Although Pritchard may not impress everyone he did have a very good college career and his senior yr was worthy of POY consideration. Given that 4 yr career where he started every game he is much more ready to contribute than a 19 yr old possible star would be. I trust Danny when it comes to evaluating players and I think Pritchard is going to impress. I also think it is about time for the C's to hit on a pick later in the draft, by that I mean get lucky. I also think Nesmith will shine early on, the 2nd unit will be much improved with the addition of TT, Teague this years picks and the progress of the Williams duo along with a healthy Langford later in the season. For those who think Brown and Tatum are close to their ceilings I somewhat disagree, especially with Brown. He still has a lot of room for growth on the offensive end, the game still hasn't slowed down enough yet for him. He has the athleticism to be more dynamic and consistent going to the basket and I expect he will get there. Smart needs to realize his role is not putting up 15+ shots/gm, 10 would be better for the team. |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 23, 2020 11:57:30 GMT -5
I agree this team hasn't hit its ceiling, but it just has a narrower path to championship contender. Robert Williams being healthy and making his peaks into a new baseline would go a long way. Nesmith providing a Herro-type boost. Jalen Brown improving free-throw percentage (he bumped significantly last year, but ending up in the 77% range instead of regressing to 65% seems possible). Pritchard peaking as early Fred VanVleet rather than just a Wanamaker replacement.
All possible, but less room for error than with a healthy Hayward. And I don't think the Turner deal would have been led to a better team than if all of the above actually happens. Tristan Thompson can probably give you 80% of a Turner impact (though it looks different). But honestly I feel as constituted a LOT rides on Nesmith popping right away.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 12:26:50 GMT -5
It’s funny, 2 years ago with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Kyrie, Rozier, Horford people were upset there were too many stars and too many mouths to feed so the pieces didn’t fit.
You need to build a team that fits. We are luck that we have our stars in Tatum and Brown with Walker as the complimentary veteran. They have 2 wings now that can play roles and also have the potential to develop into 3rd star type players. At 26 you should be happy as hell if you get a strong role player who fits the team. Again I don’t love the pick, I would have gone Terry because I am really high on him, but let’s see what Pritchard does - the pick makes sense.
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 23, 2020 12:32:35 GMT -5
Nesmith popping right away would be great but their are a bunch of guys who can grow into very solid pieces and R Williams could be at the top of the list with his size and athleticism. My fear with the timelord is at times it seems like he doesn't have a great BB IQ, but I have seen some video lately that refutes that a bit. He is already a good passer for a young big but needs to show more patience on the defensive end to hit his ceiling, which is considerable. It might take some time but he has the raw tools. Grant could also be the guy who is much improved this year. The path might be narrower but keep in mind the C's only had a healthy productive Hayward for hardly one season so his loss is big but not that big based on his unavailability. A healthy all star level Kemba would also go a long way and if the refs ever let Theis play D without calling everything he does a foul it would be nice. Refs always make great defensive players prove it before they allow them to play, Smart went thru it and now gets the respect he deserves on D.
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Post by billyw on Nov 23, 2020 13:21:25 GMT -5
Robert Williams could use a consistent 18 min a night for 15 straight games. Just to see if he can do it on an every night basis. He is a decent passer and rim runner and shoots an extremely high percentage (I know most of those are dunks and lay-ups.) But we need to find out if he gets it on defense (weakside rotations, Pick-n-roll.), and if he can continue to knock down the 12-15 footer like he was in the bubble.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 13:46:31 GMT -5
It’s funny, 2 years ago with Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Kyrie, Rozier, Horford people were upset there were too many stars and too many mouths to feed so the pieces didn’t fit. You need to build a team that fits. We are luck that we have our stars in Tatum and Brown with Walker as the complimentary veteran. They have 2 wings now that can play roles and also have the potential to develop into 3rd star type players. At 26 you should be happy as hell if you get a strong role player who fits the team. Again I don’t love the pick, I would have gone Terry because I am really high on him, but let’s see what Pritchard does - the pick makes sense. That was just as much too many gunners who didn't play team ball, with Irving and Morris being the big issues. Hayward was just flat out bad that year and Irving made everyone worse not better. It's a shame because Walker and Rozier could play together with zero issues. We'll certainly give the rookies a chance, yet Danny is greatly open to criticism if they don't pan out. They both seem like team first guys that are ready to play. They better be because Danny just put our depth in their hands and just look at Edwards to see how that doesn't always workout. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 13:49:56 GMT -5
This does not make me feel better. I guess he fits the age timeline of the team better? While many here are don't like this pick as they would rather shoot for a higher ceiling/star potential prospect, this pick highlights what I mentioned before the draft. An older more NBA ready player who fits the current teams age group, the C 's don't need to get any younger. Although Pritchard may not impress everyone he did have a very good college career and his senior yr was worthy of POY consideration. Given that 4 yr career where he started every game he is much more ready to contribute than a 19 yr old possible star would be. I trust Danny when it comes to evaluating players and I think Pritchard is going to impress. I also think it is about time for the C's to hit on a pick later in the draft, by that I mean get lucky. I also think Nesmith will shine early on, the 2nd unit will be much improved with the addition of TT, Teague this years picks and the progress of the Williams duo along with a healthy Langford later in the season. For those who think Brown and Tatum are close to their ceilings I somewhat disagree, especially with Brown. He still has a lot of room for growth on the offensive end, the game still hasn't slowed down enough yet for him. He has the athleticism to be more dynamic and consistent going to the basket and I expect he will get there. Smart needs to realize his role is not putting up 15+ shots/gm, 10 would be better for the team. Brown might be older, yet he's the one that has the larger amount of upside left. He keeps getting better each year and let's hope that just continues. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 13:52:25 GMT -5
Robert Williams could use a consistent 18 min a night for 15 straight games. Just to see if he can do it on an every night basis. He is a decent passer and rim runner and shoots an extremely high percentage (I know most of those are dunks and lay-ups.) But we need to find out if he gets it on defense (weakside rotations, Pick-n-roll.), and if he can continue to knock down the 12-15 footer like he was in the bubble. He's only going to improve if he gets regular playing time and he deserves regular playing time. He's likely the best offensive big you have. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 23, 2020 14:12:42 GMT -5
Robert Williams could use a consistent 18 min a night for 15 straight games. Just to see if he can do it on an every night basis. He is a decent passer and rim runner and shoots an extremely high percentage (I know most of those are dunks and lay-ups.) But we need to find out if he gets it on defense (weakside rotations, Pick-n-roll.), and if he can continue to knock down the 12-15 footer like he was in the bubble. He's only going to improve if he gets regular playing time and he deserves regular playing time. He's likely the best offensive big you have. I use " the game slowing down" quote a lot as I think it encompasses the true growth of a player in every way but it is the cerebral part that gets these guys to their ceilings. Imagine how good R Williams could be if the game slowed down for him, with all that athleticism he could be a top 20 player. Doubt that will ever happen but one can dream. |
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Post by artfuldodger on Nov 23, 2020 14:19:57 GMT -5
The delay in the Hayward signing suggests that there are a few moving parts. The first is that Charlotte probably wants the Celtics to take on a salary and not just an exemption to lower their payroll. Second, the Celtics are probably agreeing but want Charlotte to load the contract upfront so they will still get back as large an exemption as possible. Should be interesting how this finishes up.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 14:33:38 GMT -5
Robert Williams upside is top five center, DPOY, rebounding monster. Guy that gives you 20 points 15 rebounds and 3 blocks a game. Yet he likely never reaches that level. Though I'm crazy impressed with his level of increased skill. Not many players go from basically unplayable to making impacts in the playoffs after missing most of the season.
His realistic upside? A rim running athletic freak that always leaves you wanting more, yet could be a top 10-15 center.
He was kinda billed as JaVale McGee yet he seems like he has a much better head on his shoulders and works much harder. He needs to keep working on his shot and maybe more important his FT shooting.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 14:40:54 GMT -5
The delay in the Hayward signing suggests that there are a few moving parts. The first is that Charlotte probably wants the Celtics to take on a salary and not just an exemption to lower their payroll. Second, the Celtics are probably agreeing but want Charlotte to load the contract upfront so they will still get back as large an exemption as possible. Should be interesting how this finishes up. You really don't have much room to front load Haywards deal. He's maxed out at 30% of the cap, which is 109 million if I remember right. So instead of 30, you could make it 33 and then decrease, yet that's about it. If I had to guess, they are trying to get a third team involved. Which then gets interesting, as we could get a piece from another team. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 23, 2020 14:54:05 GMT -5
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