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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 25, 2020 8:15:56 GMT -5
The changes are basically Kanter for TT, Wanamaker for Teague, Nesmith for Hayward and VP for Pritchard. Kanter for TT is a wash talent wise. Your just trading scoring for defense. You can like the fit better, yet the are very similar players value wise. Wanamaker for Teague is darn close to a wash, just trading D for scoring yet you might not even get that. Teague is a better passer, yet could be this years Kanter where his D is so bad he's almost unplayable. The scary part is they likely signed him to start a bunch of games Walker misses. Nesmith for Hayward is a massive downgrade on paper. I'd love for Nesmith to win ROY and prove this wrong. Yet that's unlikely. VP for Pritchard is likely the biggest upgrade because VP did literally nothing last year. Yet you can't play our PGs together like Irving and Rozier because they are all undersized and bad on D. If Pritchard is good it likely mean hardly any Teague and vice versus. Yet could be big if Walker misses a bunch of time. So I don't see a better roster. If we are better, if the second team is better it's much more organic growth. It's Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Langford, Edwards, Green that get better along with of course Brown and Tatum. Add if Theis can become even a league average three point shooter on decent volume he could be the most underrated player in the league. Smart takes the next step and becomes more consistent with his shooting. We could be a better team through organic growth, not because Danny upgraded the roster. No one thinks the roster is better. ESPN gave us the worst grade of the off-season and says no team did worse as a contender than us. Maybe Danny can work some magic with a sign and trade. Heck even a large exception would greatly raise my off-season grade for him. Yet the roster is clearly worse than last year. Even if you think TT and Teague are upgrades, no way that off sets the downgrade from Hayward. Unless you think Nesmith is equal to Hayward and that's asking a ton out of a rookie. I essentially agree with the post but not all the minor details. Surely the bench should be better organically but likely better by addition as well. At Center we have more talent than before especially with either TT or DT off the bench. Same at guard, for the bench. Clearly the starting five which was arguably the best in the league has taken a hit, although the bench which was clearly a weakness is now stronger too. The floor has been raised but the ceiling is not as high, unless everything works just right. I supported GH but you simply could not rely on him to stay healthy. He missed so much time that missing him is not as bad as it looks on paper. |
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 25, 2020 8:43:46 GMT -5
fieldhousefiles.substack.com/p/how-wayward-ended-up-with-charlotteMore fallout with detailed notes of the negotiation. Danny didn't want Turner and refused to talk thereafter. "The Celtics evidently didn’t think highly enough of Turner, a potential All-Star, and demanded multiple starters. That makes no sense for the Pacers, especially with the Celtics on the verge of losing Hayward, yet another player in free agency for nothing. A reasonable deal for the Pacers was Turner and Doug McDermott, or something like Turner, Aaron Holiday and TJ Leaf."
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 25, 2020 8:44:52 GMT -5
Can I get some Grant Williams predictions, specifically on 3 point shooting... what do we think? Bubble shooting real or not?
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 25, 2020 10:10:31 GMT -5
Can I get some Grant Williams predictions, specifically on 3 point shooting... what do we think? Bubble shooting real or not? Small sample size so no. I'm sure the scouting on him was to leave him alone. I do think we can expect more as his career started with the offer -25 or what ever it was, after that he averaged 35% of his 3's. He's hard working and knows his role, I'd expect it to creep closer to 40% say 38%. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 25, 2020 10:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 25, 2020 10:49:21 GMT -5
Lmao at Merloni’s basketball opinions |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 25, 2020 11:32:43 GMT -5
Woj confirming that Charlotte and Boston are trying to find a 3rd Team for a S&T to complete Hayward's signing with the Hornets.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 25, 2020 11:47:53 GMT -5
Woj confirming that Charlotte and Boston are trying to find a 3rd Team for a S&T to complete Hayward's signing with the Hornets. Maybe it's the Pacers.  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 25, 2020 12:53:52 GMT -5
Woj confirming that Charlotte and Boston are trying to find a 3rd Team for a S&T to complete Hayward's signing with the Hornets. Maybe it's the Pacers. It’s going to be Detroit trading an unprotected first for Cody Zeller |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 25, 2020 13:07:18 GMT -5
ALL.THE.BIGS!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 13:09:20 GMT -5
The changes are basically Kanter for TT, Wanamaker for Teague, Nesmith for Hayward and VP for Pritchard. Kanter for TT is a wash talent wise. Your just trading scoring for defense. You can like the fit better, yet the are very similar players value wise. Wanamaker for Teague is darn close to a wash, just trading D for scoring yet you might not even get that. Teague is a better passer, yet could be this years Kanter where his D is so bad he's almost unplayable. The scary part is they likely signed him to start a bunch of games Walker misses. Nesmith for Hayward is a massive downgrade on paper. I'd love for Nesmith to win ROY and prove this wrong. Yet that's unlikely. VP for Pritchard is likely the biggest upgrade because VP did literally nothing last year. Yet you can't play our PGs together like Irving and Rozier because they are all undersized and bad on D. If Pritchard is good it likely mean hardly any Teague and vice versus. Yet could be big if Walker misses a bunch of time. So I don't see a better roster. If we are better, if the second team is better it's much more organic growth. It's Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Langford, Edwards, Green that get better along with of course Brown and Tatum. Add if Theis can become even a league average three point shooter on decent volume he could be the most underrated player in the league. Smart takes the next step and becomes more consistent with his shooting. We could be a better team through organic growth, not because Danny upgraded the roster. No one thinks the roster is better. ESPN gave us the worst grade of the off-season and says no team did worse as a contender than us. Maybe Danny can work some magic with a sign and trade. Heck even a large exception would greatly raise my off-season grade for him. Yet the roster is clearly worse than last year. Even if you think TT and Teague are upgrades, no way that off sets the downgrade from Hayward. Unless you think Nesmith is equal to Hayward and that's asking a ton out of a rookie. Disagree with some of this. First of all TT for Kanter is not a wash IMO. Kanter played 17 minutes/game last year and couldn't even get off the bench in the playoffs. TT will come in and play 25 with much better D and be an asset come post season, which is what the C's want out of that position. TT is paid twice what Kanter is for a reason, value. TT will also make the 2nd team better with his added minutes and veteran experience, not a huge upgrade but an upgrade just the same. I think we will also see more 2 big lineups more and TT will be a big part of that. To say Teague isn't an obvious upgrade over BW isn't accurate. You can tout stats all you want I prefer to look at the history of each and in that lens their is no comparison. Teague can lead an O while BW can't and with no Hayward that is all the more important. The loss of Hayward is big and no rookie is going to make up for that but that is what it is and he was only healthy for one short season, at 30 million/yr Jordan can have him. We can hope the rookies come in and make the 2nd unit better and maybe get some sharp shooting from Nesmith with the top 5, they certainly look capable of contributing more than last years 2nd unit. I do agree with the organic growth part, half the team should show progress and that is the most impactful and exciting thing to look forward. Right now I see a roster that has 12 guys who could deserve minutes, that is a lot and is probably a bit optimistic but if 10 guys do then they will be deeper and better than last year. First prediction. Pritchard will be getting more minutes than Teague in the 2nd half of the season. So Stevens is going to basically bench Theis and start TT? Do people forget how good Theis is on D? Do we forget how Loyal Stevens is? I say Theis 20 minutes, TT 14 and Williams 14 if everyone is healthy. That will change based on match ups certain games and in the playoffs. I feel damn certain on this, heck given the short window to start the year TT is likely the third center. A match-up guy for low post scorers, yet their aren't a ton of them. So Teague is an upgrade because of what he did six years ago? If we're getting age 26 Teague, sure that's an upgrade. Yet we're getting age 32 Teague, who got a veteran minimum deal. He's declined every year since his age 26. His game was built on speed, he's much slower now. Teague is a better passer, yet that doesn't matter much in our offense which is built on ball movement not iso. If he runs an offense better why did Wanamaker leading our second unit have better offensive ratings than Teague playing with starters? You can't say Wanamaker played with more talent. Nevermind I can't stress enough how bad Teagues D is. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2020 13:30:31 GMT -5
Myles Turner “potential all star” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and makes me immediately question the validity of the report
Objectively speaking he is a meh basketball player. He blocks shots but that’s about it on the defensive end at this point. He can shoot a little bit. Can’t rebound. He’s already started to regress as a player in my eyes. Offense was down and his defense was way down. He gets abused in pick and roll.
Plus he gets absolutely eviscerated by talented/aggressive big men like Embiid. He’s allowed multiple 40-20 games to Joel.
Turner at 18 million is way worse than Thompson at 9. And Kanter is a much worse player than Thompson too. There’s a reason why he makes half of what TT makes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 13:36:03 GMT -5
The changes are basically Kanter for TT, Wanamaker for Teague, Nesmith for Hayward and VP for Pritchard. Kanter for TT is a wash talent wise. Your just trading scoring for defense. You can like the fit better, yet the are very similar players value wise. Wanamaker for Teague is darn close to a wash, just trading D for scoring yet you might not even get that. Teague is a better passer, yet could be this years Kanter where his D is so bad he's almost unplayable. The scary part is they likely signed him to start a bunch of games Walker misses. Nesmith for Hayward is a massive downgrade on paper. I'd love for Nesmith to win ROY and prove this wrong. Yet that's unlikely. VP for Pritchard is likely the biggest upgrade because VP did literally nothing last year. Yet you can't play our PGs together like Irving and Rozier because they are all undersized and bad on D. If Pritchard is good it likely mean hardly any Teague and vice versus. Yet could be big if Walker misses a bunch of time. So I don't see a better roster. If we are better, if the second team is better it's much more organic growth. It's Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Langford, Edwards, Green that get better along with of course Brown and Tatum. Add if Theis can become even a league average three point shooter on decent volume he could be the most underrated player in the league. Smart takes the next step and becomes more consistent with his shooting. We could be a better team through organic growth, not because Danny upgraded the roster. No one thinks the roster is better. ESPN gave us the worst grade of the off-season and says no team did worse as a contender than us. Maybe Danny can work some magic with a sign and trade. Heck even a large exception would greatly raise my off-season grade for him. Yet the roster is clearly worse than last year. Even if you think TT and Teague are upgrades, no way that off sets the downgrade from Hayward. Unless you think Nesmith is equal to Hayward and that's asking a ton out of a rookie. I essentially agree with the post but not all the minor details. Surely the bench should be better organically but likely better by addition as well. At Center we have more talent than before especially with either TT or DT off the bench. Same at guard, for the bench. Clearly the starting five which was arguably the best in the league has taken a hit, although the bench which was clearly a weakness is now stronger too. The floor has been raised but the ceiling is not as high, unless everything works just right. I supported GH but you simply could not rely on him to stay healthy. He missed so much time that missing him is not as bad as it looks on paper. It's different, yet value wise TT and Kanter are very similar. Both are great rebounders, Kanter is a much better offensive player, TT is better on D. For example you don't have Kanter on offense to go at Embiid now. Tire him out making him play D. It seems we are only focused on the playoffs and forget what Kanter did in the regular season. His bench scoring was big in a lot of games. TT is a big that competes down low, yet basically has no offensive game and isn't a shot blocker. He can help in some match ups, yet will hurt you in others. The biggest issue being what he does best, guard low post scorers is something not many teams have. It's why he doesn't have good defensive numbers. It's not that he sucks or anything like that. He's just a piece for match ups and so was Kanter. Theis is your small ball center, Williams is in the middle, a half/half guy and TT is your physical guy against true centers that score down low. Unless he can actually shot three's, I think the biggest improvement comes from Robert Williams. He's the guy you need to Battle guys like Bam, he's the guy who could be huge against guys like Giannis with his size, wingspan and athletic ability. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 13:40:21 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 13:53:47 GMT -5
Lmao at Merloni’s basketball opinions His point on extending Haywards deadline is right on. Why else did they do it? They were only talking trade with one team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 13:58:50 GMT -5
Myles Turner “potential all star” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and makes me immediately question the validity of the report Objectively speaking he is a meh basketball player. He blocks shots but that’s about it on the defensive end at this point. He can shoot a little bit. Can’t rebound. He’s already started to regress as a player in my eyes. Offense was down and his defense was way down. He gets abused in pick and roll. Plus he gets absolutely eviscerated by talented/aggressive big men like Embiid. He’s allowed multiple 40-20 games to Joel. Turner at 18 million is way worse than Thompson at 9. And Kanter is a much worse player than Thompson too. There’s a reason why he makes half of what TT makes. Yeah he sucks, age 23 season averaged 15.8 points, 10.8 rebounds, 4 blocks while shooting 42.9% from deep against Bam in the playoffs while holding Bam to his lowest FG% against any team in the playoffs. No idea why anyone would want him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 14:16:27 GMT -5
I can see the Pritchard comp, the Nesmith one makes no sense. Nesmith isn't anything like Hield besides both are good shooters. That screams they didn't watch any tape on both of them. Hield was a main creator, had crazy good ball skills and was much more athletic. Hield is a SG, Nesmith is a SF. Nesmith is much more like a bigger Robinson, Korver or McDermott than Hield. He uses strength to muscle guys on drives, not speed and ball skills like Hield. Hield did tons of creating, Nesmith did almost none, he let Lee who was drafted in the 2nd round do that. |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 25, 2020 14:34:50 GMT -5
Lmao at Merloni’s basketball opinions His point on extending Haywards deadline is right on. Why else did they do it? They were only talking trade with one team. He has zero sources to back that up and is relying on a lot of assumptions. |
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2020 14:53:33 GMT -5
Myles Turner “potential all star” is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen and makes me immediately question the validity of the report Objectively speaking he is a meh basketball player. He blocks shots but that’s about it on the defensive end at this point. He can shoot a little bit. Can’t rebound. He’s already started to regress as a player in my eyes. Offense was down and his defense was way down. He gets abused in pick and roll. Plus he gets absolutely eviscerated by talented/aggressive big men like Embiid. He’s allowed multiple 40-20 games to Joel. Turner at 18 million is way worse than Thompson at 9. And Kanter is a much worse player than Thompson too. There’s a reason why he makes half of what TT makes. Yeah he sucks, age 23 season averaged 15.8 points, 10.8 rebounds, 4 blocks while shooting 42.9% from deep against Bam in the playoffs while holding Bam to his lowest FG% against any team in the playoffs. No idea why anyone would want him. Ah yes the classic 4 game sample size where they lost all 4 games by a good amount. He is what he is- he stretches the floor and blocks shots. Nice complementary player. Not a potential all star, not worth his money when you have to pay Tatum 5/195 and want to have roster flexibility going forward. Not a good defender in the pick and roll. Already starting to regress as a player on the defensive end. Btw Adebayo had one down game that series where they were still a +19 with him out there and then his other “bad” game was a 14-19-6 job. He got really held in check in all those blowouts. Gets absolutely mutilated by the Embiid/Towns/Drummonds of the world. Borderline unplayable against them. Would much rather pay half the money and one fewer year for a guy who can actually play with some toughness and rebound. Is Thompson better overall player than Turner? Probably not. He’s definitely a better fit in my eyes for the role/money though Teague I’m meh on. Bench could use veteran scoring I guess. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 14:54:33 GMT -5
His point on extending Haywards deadline is right on. Why else did they do it? They were only talking trade with one team. He has zero sources to back that up and is relying on a lot of assumptions. To back up what? He's not claiming anything that hasn't been reported. He's just blaming Danny because he got an extra two days and still couldn't get anything done in that timeframe. Why else would you extend the deadline by two days? Just look at the current sign and trade. Teams did crazy four team deals in a few days, Danny is what on four days with this? He drags his feet, always has. I don't think you need sources for that, that's well known. That's what's he's complaining about. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 15:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah he sucks, age 23 season averaged 15.8 points, 10.8 rebounds, 4 blocks while shooting 42.9% from deep against Bam in the playoffs while holding Bam to his lowest FG% against any team in the playoffs. No idea why anyone would want him. Ah yes the classic 4 game sample size where they lost all 4 games by a good amount. He is what he is- he stretches the floor and blocks shots. Nice complementary player. Not a potential all star, not worth his money when you have to pay Tatum 5/195 and want to have roster flexibility going forward. Not a good defender in the pick and roll. Already starting to regress as a player on the defensive end. Btw Adebayo had one down game that series where they were still a +19 with him out there and then his other “bad” game was a 14-19-6 job. He got really held in check in all those blowouts. Gets absolutely mutilated by the Embiid/Towns/Drummonds of the world. Borderline unplayable against them. Would much rather pay half the money and one fewer year for a guy who can actually play with some toughness and rebound. Is Thompson better overall player than Turner? Probably not. He’s definitely a better fit in my eyes for the role/money though Teague I’m meh on. Bench could use veteran scoring I guess. Are we looking at Turner or the Pacers? I don't get the Heat won by this amount crap. Turner is one player and he's not your #1 option. Not even close, 4/5 type guy. A floor spacing big that blocks shots and plays good D. His defensive is declining based off of what? Last two years defensive rating of 101 and 105, 104 for his career. Thompson 116 and 114, 109 for his career. Thompson's lowest rating is five years ago at 104, that's Turner's career average. Numbers don't lie. One of Turner's biggest strengths on D is challenging shots without fouling. I've watched tape with Turner against Embiid, Giannis and Bam he doesn't get destroyed anymore than everyone else. I think people are crazy underrating his D. Again the numbers don't lie. You don't get destroyed on D and put up good defensive number year after year. I really think people don't understand how having a shot blocker helps a D. Theis didn't post the second best defensive rating because he was a beast against bigs. He did it because he limited the easiest shots in the game, points in the paint. Turner excels at this, Thompson doesn't. How many dominant low post scorers are in the NBA on playoff teams? |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 25, 2020 15:54:31 GMT -5
He has zero sources to back that up and is relying on a lot of assumptions. To back up what? He's not claiming anything that hasn't been reported. He's just blaming Danny because he got an extra two days and still couldn't get anything done in that timeframe. Why else would you extend the deadline by two days? Just look at the current sign and trade. Teams did crazy four team deals in a few days, Danny is what on four days with this? He drags his feet, always has. I don't think you need sources for that, that's well known. That's what's he's complaining about. Sounds an awful lot like "reading the tea leaves" to me but who am I? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 25, 2020 16:22:06 GMT -5
I guess because nothing is 100%, yet he's actually going off of reports. Pacers Celtics talking Turner for Hayward, they extended deadline still talking trade, Danny wouldn't agree to trade. If you wanted Turner you can blame Danny for not taking Turner and McDermott. Pacers GM today said Danny wanted too much so it didn't happen. Which matches reports.
So why can't you be upset that Danny didn't make the trade?
What's not crystal clear is why Danny didn't make, not that he couldn't. We don't know if he overplayed his hand like some think or he really didn't want Turner or if it's he didn't want McDermott/Lamb or he really didn't want to send Hayward to the Pacers at all.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 25, 2020 17:39:21 GMT -5
Lost (admittedly I havent read all these linked articles in detail so I THINK its lost) in the narratives of "Danny was greedy", "Does he or does he not like Turner", etc seems to be "Gow much did Danny want to keep Hayward".
The OTHER reason to allow the extension is to, if all else fails, sign Gordon to a longer bit cheaper deal.
So is it not possible that Danny felt Turner plus whatever Indy was offering < Hayward < Turnet and whatever Boston was asking for?
The articles I have seen is that Danny made a healthy offer so it seems like keeping Hayward was a choice that was, at worst, palatable.
Since NOBODY in the league thought Charlotte would swoop in with an offer like they did.
I have ZERO problem with Ainge thinking that this team was better off with Hayward than they were with Turner and a lesser sweetener. And if GMs accepted less than what they thought made sense just in case another team does something stupid, there would be a lot of lopsided deals made.
Obviously, it didn't work out bc Charlotte is stupid.
Again, if any of these articles contradict this, then I stand corrected but, otherwise, it seems to be a piece we are ignoring.
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Post by cdj on Nov 25, 2020 18:05:36 GMT -5
Ah yes the classic 4 game sample size where they lost all 4 games by a good amount. He is what he is- he stretches the floor and blocks shots. Nice complementary player. Not a potential all star, not worth his money when you have to pay Tatum 5/195 and want to have roster flexibility going forward. Not a good defender in the pick and roll. Already starting to regress as a player on the defensive end. Btw Adebayo had one down game that series where they were still a +19 with him out there and then his other “bad” game was a 14-19-6 job. He got really held in check in all those blowouts. Gets absolutely mutilated by the Embiid/Towns/Drummonds of the world. Borderline unplayable against them. Would much rather pay half the money and one fewer year for a guy who can actually play with some toughness and rebound. Is Thompson better overall player than Turner? Probably not. He’s definitely a better fit in my eyes for the role/money though Teague I’m meh on. Bench could use veteran scoring I guess. Are we looking at Turner or the Pacers? I don't get the Heat won by this amount crap. Turner is one player and he's not your #1 option. Not even close, 4/5 type guy. A floor spacing big that blocks shots and plays good D. His defensive is declining based off of what? Last two years defensive rating of 101 and 105, 104 for his career. Thompson 116 and 114, 109 for his career. Thompson's lowest rating is five years ago at 104, that's Turner's career average. Numbers don't lie. One of Turner's biggest strengths on D is challenging shots without fouling. I've watched tape with Turner against Embiid, Giannis and Bam he doesn't get destroyed anymore than everyone else. I think people are crazy underrating his D. Again the numbers don't lie. You don't get destroyed on D and put up good defensive number year after year. I really think people don't understand how having a shot blocker helps a D. Theis didn't post the second best defensive rating because he was a beast against bigs. He did it because he limited the easiest shots in the game, points in the paint. Turner excels at this, Thompson doesn't. How many dominant low post scorers are in the NBA on playoff teams? D-rating comparisons are only really useful when comparing within the team and you just cited a drop off in his D-rating from last year to this year, so there’s some regression for you. I was looking into him wayyyyy back at the start of the pandemic (simpler times) because I’ve long been a fan (I like Texas basketball) + considered him as an option for the Celtics but a lot of his advanced defensive metrics took a slide too. Some people attribute this to having to play with Sabonis instead of Thad Young, but he also isn’t thriving on the court without Sabonis either. It’s weird- all his numbers went down. Now the shooting % slipping can be explained by the increased volume of 3’s he shoots but he’s never been a rebounder and the defense is going the wrong direction. He gets bullied. Go look at his last 5 games against Embiid. Go look what Towns did to him. Go look what Drummond does to him. These are great players but at Turner’s price and with his supposed defensive acumen he should be able to limit them a lot more than he does. At $20 mill (+ having to take back Mcdermott too) I do not want that. I’d rather get a sturdier, more aggressive player In re: to Thompson and his defense here is a Cavs fan talking about him back in April www.google.com/amp/s/kingjamesgospel.com/2020/04/29/cleveland-cavaliers-grading-tristan-thompsons-2019-20-thus-far/amp/3/He guarded Giannis earlier this season and held him to 5-15 and 14 points. The Cavs had a 120.5 D rating WITHOUT him on the court. That is all time bad. He’s not a rim protector but he’s a good defender and I think he would fit in here easier than Turner. We are going to see a lot of 3’s made off of offensive rebounds this season. Plus Thompson himself started to step out from 3 down the stretch this past year. He Shot it pretty well too! I imagine we will see that continue a bit this year. He’s just become a very efficient player as he’s developed over his career too. The injuries are a little bit of a concern but if we get this years version of Thompson we will be happy. Last years meh but that may have been more injury related. Basically I think there’s just more value with TT at $9 than Turner at $18 and I think he’s also a better fit overall. I do not think Turner is twice the player Thompson is. Going this route gives the team more financial flexibility in the future and on top of that they’re hopefully going to get a big tasty trade exception. I’d rather not have to take Khloe in as well but it is what it is And I didn’t even really factor this in until now but Myles may not be a good fit for the fan base. This is a guy who plays relatively passively, makes a lot of money, and deleted his social media after team USA’s lackluster performance to avoid criticism. Our market is HARSH to people like that- I think it’s often times unfair but it is what it is at this point. You’re under the microscope. You don’t get let off the hook for anything when you’re making 20 milly. I mean people in this city hated JD Drew when he was OPSing .900 and playing plus defense in right because they didn’t like how expressionless/passive he was in conjunction with his salary. Buncha vultures just waiting for a screw up At the end of the day in regards to Hayward I think it makes tons of sense he ended up in Charlotte. He’s already signed there before, now he gets to go this time. 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