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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 6, 2020 10:08:21 GMT -5
Does Pritchard have a low release? or short arms? It looks like he needs a lot of space to get his shot off.
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Post by cdj on Dec 6, 2020 14:11:55 GMT -5
Does Pritchard have a low release? or short arms? It looks like he needs a lot of space to get his shot off. The release looks maybe a little low and he’s on the smaller side of things but I’m not all that concerned about it. His step back is good. He’s a tough/contested shot maker. This is him torching Mannion’s Arizona team The range is real too so that will help |
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 6, 2020 17:34:54 GMT -5
Can I get some Grant Williams predictions, specifically on 3 point shooting... what do we think? Bubble shooting real or not? For sure he will be better, college career and BB IQ says yes. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2020 13:26:55 GMT -5
Pritchard has a low release, yet it's also very quick. So I'm not worried, he's a smart player that does a lot of little things that don't make that an issue. What I want to see is if he can still knife in and out of the paint in the NBA with his creative dribbling like in College.
In regards to Grant Williams, it's more than just a good shooting percentage. Semi had a good shooting percentage last year. Grant needs to be much more involved and taking a lot more shots. He's got to find his niche in the NBA. If it's just floor spacing than it's he needs to take more three's. Yet I really want to see him do work in the paint. He was an elite low post scorer in College. He won't be that in the NBA, yet he should be able to do somethings down there. Basically he needs to not be Semi on offense and he looked like that last year. Semi is the guy who gets the ball and unless it's a wide open three acts like he's scared to have the ball. To unlock Grants full talent like his passing he needs to find what works in the paint in the NBA. I went back and watched his College tape again, he has a ton of moves. Which he'll need, it's going to have to be crazy high skill level with him. First year get his D ready, now let's try and unlock his offense. I start with the low post, I make him the guy you put on the line to beat the crazy D we faced in the playoffs. He showed dribbling skills in College we didn't see in the NBA.
I was a little harsh on Grant Williams given his NBA ready tag label and what we got. He just turned 22 and I forget sometimes he's young for his class. So prove me wrong big fella, prove you can be a top bench piece for a title contender. He's got a golden opportunity to start the year. Take that big year two jump, show us your not Semi.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 7, 2020 15:47:59 GMT -5
Pritchard has a low release, yet it's also very quick. So I'm not worried, he's a smart player that does a lot of little things that don't make that an issue. What I want to see is if he can still knife in and out of the paint in the NBA with his creative dribbling like in College. In regards to Grant Williams, it's more than just a good shooting percentage. Semi had a good shooting percentage last year. Grant needs to be much more involved and taking a lot more shots. He's got to find his niche in the NBA. If it's just floor spacing than it's he needs to take more three's. Yet I really want to see him do work in the paint. He was an elite low post scorer in College. He won't be that in the NBA, yet he should be able to do somethings down there. Basically he needs to not be Semi on offense and he looked like that last year. Semi is the guy who gets the ball and unless it's a wide open three acts like he's scared to have the ball. To unlock Grants full talent like his passing he needs to find what works in the paint in the NBA. I went back and watched his College tape again, he has a ton of moves. Which he'll need, it's going to have to be crazy high skill level with him. First year get his D ready, now let's try and unlock his offense. I start with the low post, I make him the guy you put on the line to beat the crazy D we faced in the playoffs. He showed dribbling skills in College we didn't see in the NBA. I was a little harsh on Grant Williams given his NBA ready tag label and what we got. He just turned 22 and I forget sometimes he's young for his class. So prove me wrong big fella, prove you can be a top bench piece for a title contender. He's got a golden opportunity to start the year. Take that big year two jump, show us your not Semi. As to Pritchard, he reminds me a bit of Edwards..in the sense that he often pulls up way outside to get clearance. The videos show some ability to drive when there was a rush to close him down in college. As you allude, will that translate against bigger, quicker NBA defenders or will he mostly sit 25-30 feet out waiting for a kick out to squeeze off a 3? Grant was the quintessential 3 point bricklayer early. Hopefully that is past because I worry about him as a center...offensively and defensively down low....His bulk serves but he is not a shot blocker or intimidator. I see him as utilitarian...a hard worker who is on the overachiever side to be used against some 'bigs'....ready to make short periods of contribution like Pritchard and Nesmith, but very much a side piece. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 7, 2020 16:58:46 GMT -5
I'd worry much less about Pritchard if he was like Edwards. Edwards is a solid NBA athlete and built like a brick shit house. He's just basically a SG in a small PG body. Which is his big issue. He either needs to become at minimum a decent PG or a really good scorer. Yet Edwards does things scoring wise that Pritchard doesn't. Pritchard is much more of a PG, score within the offense guy. Edwards was carry my team go to scorer that took bad shots because they had no one else. I have to mention that Seniors that take huge leaps scare the heck out of me. Trying to trust Danny.
Pritchard for me it's much more does he have the ability in the NBA to score like in College? Edwards is can he adjust, get better at running out offense and score efficiently? Edwards has more natural talent, Pritchard seems more ready because he's an actual PG.
I don't see Grant as a center, maybe in certain matchups or because of injuries. I see a PF even in today's NBA. Heck today's NBA is likely why he can be a PF. Yet that's also the issue, because we don't have scoring centers. So he needs to develop an offensive game. He did a lot of stuff in College, he showed a lot of skill that we didn't see last year. He's stronger than most PFs, he needs to use that on offense. He's not a run and jump guy, he is rather nimble for a guy his size though. I'm really hoping that year two the game slows down and that skill shows up. That skill is why Danny drafted him, along with his basketball IQ.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 7, 2020 17:16:13 GMT -5
Grant Williams is cocky in a good way - he’s not going to be gun shy like Semi...
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Post by texs31 on Dec 8, 2020 9:48:44 GMT -5
Jay King (The Athletic) did a TPE Target piece (https://theathletic.com/2230722/2020/12/08/gordon-hayward-trade-exception-celtics/?source=dailyemail) - Subscription needed.
Lists Aaron Gordon, Dejounte Murray, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gobert, plus a combination of Bojan Bogdanovic and Joe Ingles.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2020 14:10:33 GMT -5
Grant Williams is cocky in a good way - he’s not going to be gun shy like Semi... I just have to ask, you base this off what exactly? Last year Semi was dead last in field goal attempts per 36 minutes at 7, right behind him at 7.3 was Grant Williams. It's a big reason why I was all over him, he acted like Semi. Now Edwards and Waters jacking up 13 and 15 shots while shooting horribly is cocky. Even Langford who is crazy raw took more shots. It stands out, the rookie who played the most took the least shots and he was billed as the most advanced NBA ready of the bunch. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 8, 2020 16:43:46 GMT -5
Grant Williams is cocky in a good way - he’s not going to be gun shy like Semi... I just have to ask, you base this off what exactly? Last year Semi was dead last in field goal attempts per 36 minutes at 7, right behind him at 7.3 was Grant Williams. It's a big reason why I was all over him, he acted like Semi. Now Edwards and Waters jacking up 13 and 15 shots while shooting horribly is cocky. Even Langford who is crazy raw took more shots. It stands out, the rookie who played the most took the least shots and he was billed as the most advanced NBA ready of the bunch. Well he is cocky just listen to him talk and the way he barks orders on defense. If you prefer confident, then go with that as you seem to get hung up on what you feel a word means. If he’s shooting better, coaches will be telling him to shoot and he’s very smart and coachable so he will shoot. I wouldn’t judge his rookie numbers - we can talk if they don’t change. Also, NBA ready doesn’t mean he’s done developing. We knew shooting was a developmental skill. He was ready defensively. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 8, 2020 18:15:23 GMT -5
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 9, 2020 6:43:52 GMT -5
I read that also and I have to say I am having a hard time accepting Smart being elite on the offensive end, I just feel he takes too many shots that are questionable. We all remember the days he was a liability shooting so I guess that is hard to move on from. I am still of the belief he should shoot less but I am beginning to think I am wrong.
It is exciting to think that the C's have those 3 locked up and Tatum at 22 and Brown at 24 still have room to grow. With Kemba out and no GH they have an opportunity to push themselves further to start this season and historically they have met these challenges well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2020 7:03:02 GMT -5
I just have to ask, you base this off what exactly? Last year Semi was dead last in field goal attempts per 36 minutes at 7, right behind him at 7.3 was Grant Williams. It's a big reason why I was all over him, he acted like Semi. Now Edwards and Waters jacking up 13 and 15 shots while shooting horribly is cocky. Even Langford who is crazy raw took more shots. It stands out, the rookie who played the most took the least shots and he was billed as the most advanced NBA ready of the bunch. Well he is cocky just listen to him talk and the way he barks orders on defense. If you prefer confident, then go with that as you seem to get hung up on what you feel a word means. If he’s shooting better, coaches will be telling him to shoot and he’s very smart and coachable so he will shoot. I wouldn’t judge his rookie numbers - we can talk if they don’t change. Also, NBA ready doesn’t mean he’s done developing. We knew shooting was a developmental skill. He was ready defensively. I'm just going by his play on offense. The words that come to mind aren't good ones. I don't think the coaches told him not to shoot. Telling him he has to is a problem no? Shooting from deep was, the rest wasn't and it didn't show up one bit. I have hope, yet it's far from a sure thing. His game was built on an advanced amount of post skill. This team needs that guy. Not that I expect anything close to elite, yet some of that has to translate. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2020 9:06:07 GMT -5
Well he is cocky just listen to him talk and the way he barks orders on defense. If you prefer confident, then go with that as you seem to get hung up on what you feel a word means. If he’s shooting better, coaches will be telling him to shoot and he’s very smart and coachable so he will shoot. I wouldn’t judge his rookie numbers - we can talk if they don’t change. Also, NBA ready doesn’t mean he’s done developing. We knew shooting was a developmental skill. He was ready defensively. I'm just going by his play on offense. The words that come to mind aren't good ones. I don't think the coaches told him not to shoot. Telling him he has to is a problem no? Shooting from deep was, the rest wasn't and it didn't show up one bit. I have hope, yet it's far from a sure thing. His game was built on an advanced amount of post skill. This team needs that guy. Not that I expect anything close to elite, yet some of that has to translate. No, I think it’s natural for a rookie, especially one who was struggling (0-27) and not a great shooter to be a little gun shy. We saw in the bubble him taking shots more quickly even if there weren’t necessarily more of them. The Heat had to tell Duncan Robinson to shoot more and that’s his skill set. Last years team also had 4 guys plus Smart who wanted and needed the ball. I mean we will see but I’d be surprised if he didn’t adapt to how they wanted him to play. Execution is a separate discussion. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2020 9:09:06 GMT -5
I read that also and I have to say I am having a hard time accepting Smart being elite on the offensive end, I just feel he takes too many shots that are questionable. We all remember the days he was a liability shooting so I guess that is hard to move on from. I am still of the belief he should shoot less but I am beginning to think I am wrong. It is exciting to think that the C's have those 3 locked up and Tatum at 22 and Brown at 24 still have room to grow. With Kemba out and no GH they have an opportunity to push themselves further to start this season and historically they have met these challenges well. I don’t think the article called Smart an elite offensive player. |
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 9, 2020 14:13:55 GMT -5
I thought it was a good article except for the part about a closer. As long as a basketball team has someone who doesn't fear taking a game winning shot there is nothing wrong with additional options. I can think of countless examples of a star play making the right read and passing to an open teammate for a game winning attempt. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2020 15:37:45 GMT -5
I'm just going by his play on offense. The words that come to mind aren't good ones. I don't think the coaches told him not to shoot. Telling him he has to is a problem no? Shooting from deep was, the rest wasn't and it didn't show up one bit. I have hope, yet it's far from a sure thing. His game was built on an advanced amount of post skill. This team needs that guy. Not that I expect anything close to elite, yet some of that has to translate. No, I think it’s natural for a rookie, especially one who was struggling (0-27) and not a great shooter to be a little gun shy. We saw in the bubble him taking shots more quickly even if there weren’t necessarily more of them. The Heat had to tell Duncan Robinson to shoot more and that’s his skill set. Last years team also had 4 guys plus Smart who wanted and needed the ball. I mean we will see but I’d be surprised if he didn’t adapt to how they wanted him to play. Execution is a separate discussion. A few things Duncan Robinson is a unicorn. As in he's a better NBA player than College one, by a big amount already. He maxed out at 11 points per game in College. Grant Williams was the two time SEC player of the year who maxed out at almost 19 points a game. Duncan Robinson barely played as a rookie, Grant Williams played a ton. So I just don't get that comparison. Grant Williams had the ball plenty in our offense, it's what he did with it that worries me. You keep talking about his shooting, yet that's the issue. That was a very small part of his game in College and became basically the only thing he did in the NBA. You leave him n he'll take a three point shot, same as Semi. That's my issue, that's what I worry about. The Celtics involve their bigs a ton in a ball movement offense. Remember Stevens saying he could run the offense through Grant Williams already? That's the guy we need. With no Hayward he has a perfect opportunity. Yet it's about getting back to what he did in College, unlocking his passing and ability to create like a Horford. Unlocking his ability to score on something that isn't a three point shot. While I'm certainly encouraged by his improved three point shooting in the bubble. It's basically because teams adjusted to stop our other scorers. He won't see that many open shots in the regular season. Just like we left guys like Ibaka open all series to protect the paint, teams did that with our bigs. So if your plan is just him shooting three's he needs to be able to make them when he's not wide open. Which is a whole different discussion because we haven't seen one bit of that. That still doesn't unlock his passing and playmaking which is one of his best skills. You know that's why they drafted him, it was one of the first things Stevens talked about. He was drafted to fill Horfords role, a big that can help create and pass and that was just non existent his rookie year. Let's hope it was just an adjust type thing and not like Smart driving in College which he just can't do it in the NBA. We seem to look at Grant Williams completely differently. You think the key is three point shooting, I think it's him working in the paint to create and unlock his good passing skills. So you can put him at the FT line and stop teams from ever trying what happened in the playoffs again. For me it's really a confidence type thing, as he showed very good dribbling abilities in College, we didn't see that last year. He completely changed his game and we need to get him back to being more of the player he was in College. He'll never be a dominant low post scorer, yet he shouldn't be a zero either. He has way too much skill. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 9, 2020 15:45:02 GMT -5
I thought it was a good article except for the part about a closer. As long as a basketball team has someone who doesn't fear taking a game winning shot there is nothing wrong with additional options. I can think of countless examples of a star play making the right read and passing to an open teammate for a game winning attempt. Unless it's final possession type stuff, we need to just play Celtics Basketball. I hated watching ISO for the last couple minutes in the playoffs. You brought in shooters so you can play our style and have trusted players to pass too. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2020 17:03:16 GMT -5
No, I think it’s natural for a rookie, especially one who was struggling (0-27) and not a great shooter to be a little gun shy. We saw in the bubble him taking shots more quickly even if there weren’t necessarily more of them. The Heat had to tell Duncan Robinson to shoot more and that’s his skill set. Last years team also had 4 guys plus Smart who wanted and needed the ball. I mean we will see but I’d be surprised if he didn’t adapt to how they wanted him to play. Execution is a separate discussion. A few things Duncan Robinson is a unicorn. As in he's a better NBA player than College one, by a big amount already. He maxed out at 11 points per game in College. Grant Williams was the two time SEC player of the year who maxed out at almost 19 points a game. Duncan Robinson barely played as a rookie, Grant Williams played a ton. So I just don't get that comparison. Grant Williams had the ball plenty in our offense, it's what he did with it that worries me. You keep talking about his shooting, yet that's the issue. That was a very small part of his game in College and became basically the only thing he did in the NBA. You leave him n he'll take a three point shot, same as Semi. That's my issue, that's what I worry about. The Celtics involve their bigs a ton in a ball movement offense. Remember Stevens saying he could run the offense through Grant Williams already? That's the guy we need. With no Hayward he has a perfect opportunity. Yet it's about getting back to what he did in College, unlocking his passing and ability to create like a Horford. Unlocking his ability to score on something that isn't a three point shot. While I'm certainly encouraged by his improved three point shooting in the bubble. It's basically because teams adjusted to stop our other scorers. He won't see that many open shots in the regular season. Just like we left guys like Ibaka open all series to protect the paint, teams did that with our bigs. So if your plan is just him shooting three's he needs to be able to make them when he's not wide open. Which is a whole different discussion because we haven't seen one bit of that. That still doesn't unlock his passing and playmaking which is one of his best skills. You know that's why they drafted him, it was one of the first things Stevens talked about. He was drafted to fill Horfords role, a big that can help create and pass and that was just non existent his rookie year. Let's hope it was just an adjust type thing and not like Smart driving in College which he just can't do it in the NBA. We seem to look at Grant Williams completely differently. You think the key is three point shooting, I think it's him working in the paint to create and unlock his good passing skills. So you can put him at the FT line and stop teams from ever trying what happened in the playoffs again. For me it's really a confidence type thing, as he showed very good dribbling abilities in College, we didn't see that last year. He completely changed his game and we need to get him back to being more of the player he was in College. He'll never be a dominant low post scorer, yet he shouldn't be a zero either. He has way too much skill. You asked if I thought it was a problem if coaches needed to tell him to shoot more. That’s all that I was commenting on. My answer is no I don’t think it’s a problem. I don’t know if his shooting improvement are real but he’s not the type of guy I would bet against. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2020 17:03:56 GMT -5
ESPN listed Tatum number 11 in player rankings
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2020 17:33:06 GMT -5
Grant Williams averaged by far the lowest FG attempts per 36 minutes in the playoffs of anyone besides Carson Edwards who played 3 minutes at 5.5 per 36 minutes. He shot 58.8% on 3.6 attempts from deep. It works out to 10 points per 36 minutes.
It's great to see that, even though we know he won't maintain a 58.8% percentage over a long period. Yet it highlights his ceiling if you look at his game as just taking open three point shots. You will only get so many and the better you are, the less they'll leave you open.
This is why I've focused on other parts of his game. Grant Williams isn't close to an elite shooter. You don't want him being Duncan Robinson taking crazy hard three's. That's why you drafted Nesmith, he's that type of guy. Maybe Pritchard. So the logical thing Grant Williams needs to do is increase his two point shots. That's how he can become a key reserve on a Championship team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2020 18:27:00 GMT -5
Who’s saying they want Grant Williams to be Duncan Robinson? Also, Grant Williams obviously has a limited ceiling. I don’t think this is in question - no one is looking for him to be an all-star.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2020 18:27:00 GMT -5
Who’s saying they want Grant Williams to be Duncan Robinson? Also, Grant Williams obviously has a limited ceiling. I don’t think this is in question - no one is looking for him to be an all-star.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2020 19:10:49 GMT -5
Who’s saying they want Grant Williams to be Duncan Robinson? Also, Grant Williams obviously has a limited ceiling. I don’t think this is in question - no one is looking for him to be an all-star. You brought up Duncan Robinson and how Grant just needs to be told to shoot more. You said Grant can be a key reserve on a title team or something along those lines months back. That's what I'm talking about, him getting to the point he can be a #6/#7 guy on a Championship team. That's not him last year even while shooting 58.8% from deep. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 10, 2020 19:28:27 GMT -5
Who’s saying they want Grant Williams to be Duncan Robinson? Also, Grant Williams obviously has a limited ceiling. I don’t think this is in question - no one is looking for him to be an all-star. You brought up Duncan Robinson and how Grant just needs to be told to shoot more. You said Grant can be a key reserve on a title team or something along those lines months back. That's what I'm talking about, him getting to the point he can be a #6/#7 guy on a Championship team. That's not him last year even while shooting 58.8% from deep. You completely misread what I was saying with regards to the Duncan Robinson comment. There was zero comparison to Grant Williams and their games with that comment. It was a “if that guy needs to be told by coaches to shoot then it wouldn’t be a surprise if a guy like Grant did” type comment. Not a Grant can shoot like Duncan comment. The players aren’t comparable in any facet. Also, yes he was a rookie last year he’s not at his ceiling as a player in any aspect of his game. |
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