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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 2, 2020 14:20:16 GMT -5
Should there be more talk about John Collins as a trade target for the Celtics? His salary fits, he can be a stretch 5 and play the 4 with a bigger lineup. What, Danny actually making a move for a decent big? HERESY! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2020 15:03:25 GMT -5
Why would the Hawks trade Collins? Can he play good enough D to play center? Do we mess with Tatum who was second in RPM at PF last year to only Giannis? What are you giving up?
I mention Gordon because the Magic have Isaac and Okeke, though Isaac is out for the year with a torn ACL. Yet I loved Okeke coming out a year ago. Trading Gordon could also help open up cap space for the Magic. Yet even then it's unlikely.
That's the problem, the trade exception just gives you the ability and there's a reason most go unused.
You want a dark horse guy, Oubre on the Warriors. If they suck again next year, dumping him would save them a ton of money at the deadline.
Danny is going to have to get creative to take advantage of the exception.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 2, 2020 15:41:33 GMT -5
Why would the Hawks trade Collins? Can he play good enough D to play center? Do we mess with Tatum who was second in RPM at PF last year to only Giannis? What are you giving up? I mention Gordon because the Magic have Isaac and Okeke, though Isaac is out for the year with a torn ACL. Yet I loved Okeke coming out a year ago. Trading Gordon could also help open up cap space for the Magic. Yet even then it's unlikely. That's the problem, the trade exception just gives you the ability and there's a reason most go unused. You want a dark horse guy, Oubre on the Warriors. If they suck again next year, dumping him would save them a ton of money at the deadline. Danny is going to have to get creative to take advantage of the exception. They have Capella and drafted Okongwu and they just gave huge money to Gallinari who is really a stretch 4 not a 3 unless you want to totally suck on defense. Maybe they won’t but all those guys are an awkward fit together. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 2, 2020 17:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2020 17:22:00 GMT -5
Why would the Hawks trade Collins? Can he play good enough D to play center? Do we mess with Tatum who was second in RPM at PF last year to only Giannis? What are you giving up? I mention Gordon because the Magic have Isaac and Okeke, though Isaac is out for the year with a torn ACL. Yet I loved Okeke coming out a year ago. Trading Gordon could also help open up cap space for the Magic. Yet even then it's unlikely. That's the problem, the trade exception just gives you the ability and there's a reason most go unused. You want a dark horse guy, Oubre on the Warriors. If they suck again next year, dumping him would save them a ton of money at the deadline. Danny is going to have to get creative to take advantage of the exception. They have Capella and drafted Okongwu and they just gave huge money to Gallinari who is really a stretch 4 not a 3 unless you want to totally suck on defense. Maybe they won’t but all those guys are an awkward fit together. Awkward is an understatement, yet Capella and Okongwu are centers in my book, unless Okongwu really develops his offense and shooting. The fit actually makes sense, you just have too many players. Like Gallinari and Collins both need a good defensive center next to them, yet you can mix and match those guys which is the awkward part. It reminds me of Irving with Rozier and Hayward with Tatum/Brown. I get it, they want to win, yet what's the game plan? Those guys are much more established than our guys were. I see were your coming from, it just makes little sense. I really like that Collection of young talent, yet they went out and got veterans to block most of it. Gallinari is the one they should trade. They needed D and tough guys to help the young guys. I would have targeted guys like Jae Crowder or Danny Green, your tough know how to win guys. They need their own Marcus Smart type guys. It's the Hawks, they might just trade a 23 year old good player so they can play a 32 year old with a long injury history. I forget to account for how stupid some teams are when we talk about these things. |
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Post by texs31 on Dec 2, 2020 20:01:54 GMT -5
Non-Cs but Houston trading Westbrook to Wizards for Wall and a 1st.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2020 22:17:21 GMT -5
Interesting, like I can't wait to see Houston's plan if they even have one. I get shaking things up, yet isn't Wall just a lesser version of Westbrook? He's younger, yet almost same exact contract and hasn't played a full season in almost four years. Oh yeah and he's coming off a major injury that can end careers.
The pick is heavily protected and could become two second rounders.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 2, 2020 22:53:53 GMT -5
I don't see how this makes sense for Houston, Westbrook had a decent season. He was atrocious in the playoffs, but a knee jerk trade like this for a lesser player that's just as overpaid doesn't seem right.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2020 6:34:39 GMT -5
I think it’s a case that Westbrook wanted out and had no trade value so they took a calculated risk.
Sam Prestie got away with Murder in that trade a year ago.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 3, 2020 7:26:34 GMT -5
Each individual Houston move made a modicum of sense (in a desperation kind of way) but the sum of them will put the team in a huge hole for the rest of the decade. Morey and D'Antoni saw the writing on the wall and decided the insane situations in Philly and Brooklyn were actually better.
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Post by texs31 on Dec 3, 2020 12:17:53 GMT -5
I don't see how this makes sense for Houston, Westbrook had a decent season. He was atrocious in the playoffs, but a knee jerk trade like this for a lesser player that's just as overpaid doesn't seem right. Woj said that Harden wanted to play with Wall. So, IF they are trying to make it work with the Beard, it makes sense. Bad contract for Bad Contract that your star would prefer playing with PLUS a shot at a 1st rd pick. Now if they turn around and trade Harden . . . |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 3, 2020 13:29:37 GMT -5
So Harden wanted Paul then he didn't, he wanted Westbrook then he didn't and now wants Wall. Seems like Harden is a big problem.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 3, 2020 13:44:53 GMT -5
Each individual Houston move made a modicum of sense (in a desperation kind of way) but the sum of them will put the team in a huge hole for the rest of the decade. Morey and D'Antoni saw the writing on the wall and decided the insane situations in Philly and Brooklyn were actually better. Well Morey made those moves, it's like Theo taking off after he maxed out the roster with bad contracts. I still don't understand the Westbrook trade to the Rockets, that's the one that kills their future and won't allow a rebuild. Then he realizes you can't play two non shooters in today's NBA and trades Capella. Yet without Capella they can't play good D and have no one to protect the paint or bang with Davis. Morey deserves a lot of blame for that mess and not having a vision. |
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Post by mobaz on Dec 3, 2020 19:17:49 GMT -5
Harden and the owner deserve some of the blame too. Don't know how much, but some.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2020 11:42:20 GMT -5
I could really go for a fluff piece right now about how Nesmith and Pritchard are shooting lights out at Celtics practice... maybe a few quotes from a veteran talking about how good they look. Will ultimately mean nothing but it’d be good for my soul. COVID camp is annoying.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2020 13:18:09 GMT -5
December 15th and 18th, preseason games against Sixers and Nets. Then the 23rd we get started against the Bucks, on the 25th we face the Nets.
The advantage of Covid camp is you don't have to wait long. Yet only two preseason games is crazy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2020 18:31:12 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 4, 2020 20:47:11 GMT -5
This feels like it’s the opposite of how you felt about Hayward. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 4, 2020 23:35:25 GMT -5
Screw it give Javonte all the minutes and let us watch sick dunks
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 4, 2020 23:56:46 GMT -5
This feels like it’s the opposite of how you felt about Hayward. It's an article mostly about Thompson. I liked Smart starting in the playoffs where depth matters less. I wanted to trade Hayward for Turner because it added a new element. A big that can score and space the floor. Yet without Walker and Langford to start the year, you are going to miss Hayward to start the year. Especially if Steven's goes easy on minutes given the short layoff. The short camp not giving Nesmith much time to get ready. Nevermind letting Wannamaker leave and having to get Teague up to speed in a few weeks. It could be a little rough for a while unless some guys step up quickly. Which is kinda highlighted by spending your full mid-level on Thompson. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2020 7:22:55 GMT -5
Celtics signed Amile Jefferson to an exhibit 10 contract.... i like that move.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 5, 2020 12:32:27 GMT -5
So I was as critical of the Payton Pritchard pick as anyone. But I think Rjp brought up the FVV comparison, and it got me rethinking my criticism. Here’s three fun videos highlighting his shooting and ball handling:
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 5, 2020 13:56:00 GMT -5
So I was as critical of the Payton Pritchard pick as anyone. But I think Rjp brought up the FVV comparison, and it got me rethinking my criticism. Here’s three fun videos highlighting his shooting and ball handling: I like a player who understands their weaknesses and has the smarts and intelligence to get better at the things they can |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 5, 2020 15:23:14 GMT -5
Celtics signed Amile Jefferson to an exhibit 10 contract.... i like that move. He makes more sense for a two way contract than Taco does. PF is the weakest spot on the team. One negative is he hasn't developed his shot, so he's limited. Yet he actually has NBA athletic ability and could be a glue guy as a depth piece. A shocking thing for me is Allonzo Trier doesn't seem to have signed. He must be crazy because it's not based off talent. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2020 7:43:46 GMT -5
Tristian Thompson going to miss most of camp with a hammy.... that’s not ideal but at least he’s a veteran
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