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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 30, 2020 18:36:31 GMT -5
I really like Vucevic, he’s probably overpaid but he’s kind of a beast and I think he’d fit great. Likely needs to be a next year addition unless you trade Theis. |
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 30, 2020 22:11:33 GMT -5
I would trade Theis in a millisecond for Vuvecic. But I think the most appealing players on that list are Barnes, Gordon, and Tucker. I’m not really sure anyone else comes close.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2020 23:47:59 GMT -5
Gordon might be the most interesting. Until Walker proves he's healthy, Rozier has to be an option. Yet can Stevens unlock Gordon's upside?
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Post by texs31 on Nov 30, 2020 23:58:53 GMT -5
In addition to that MassLive list, BRobb did one for BSJ and Ryan Bernadoni (Former C's blog and "contributor to BSJ") also did lists.
The name that I can't take my eye off (but can't really find a good reason he'd be available) is Dejounte Murray (he was in Tier 1 with Gordon on Ryan's list). I guess Derrick White is Restricted next offseason so maybe they feel they need to pick one or the other?
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2020 6:33:04 GMT -5
Something to keep in mind... they are hard capped this year so going over 23m isn’t an option without dealing some other salary first. Also, they really should be staying under the tax line which really limits them to 17m in incoming salary.
Gordon is definitely an interesting player especially if he’d agree to be a sixth man here.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 1, 2020 7:47:40 GMT -5
I would think Gordon starts at the 4 for this team. They would be a really good rebounding team if that happened, which is not something we’ve been able to say very often.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 1, 2020 8:07:58 GMT -5
Kemba is officially on hold until January for a knee strengthening program. That dude really needs the Kobe "German Platelet" knee exorcism. I'm NOT comfortable with him this season and beyond, and worry that this team will peak as "6th best team in the league" for the foreseeable future.
What terrible injury luck the last few years with IT, then Hayward, then Kyrie, then Hayward some more, now Kemba. There was real Finals potential taken away. Tatum and JB better keep popping gummy vitamins.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2020 9:19:45 GMT -5
Kemba is officially on hold until January for a knee strengthening program. That dude really needs the Kobe "German Platelet" knee exorcism. I'm NOT comfortable with him this season and beyond, and worry that this team will peak as "6th best team in the league" for the foreseeable future. What terrible injury luck the last few years with IT, then Hayward, then Kyrie, then Hayward some more, now Kemba. There was real Finals potential taken away. Tatum and JB better keep popping gummy vitamins. First, I’m the one who raised the alarm bells here about Kemba, despite getting criticized for it ,so I’m certainly concerned. However, the news he’s on hold until January is a GOOD thing. I wrote about this earlier, but they literally stopped playing 2 months ago. Originally, it was expected the season wouldn’t start until January so they mapped out a plan for Kemba to be ready for that start time. To change that because the NBA decided to start earlier would be foolish. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2020 9:21:41 GMT -5
I would think Gordon starts at the 4 for this team. They would be a really good rebounding team if that happened, which is not something we’ve been able to say very often. You would probably be right, but bringing him off the bench as a sixth-man then using him in the closing lineups would be the best use of him. Give him time as the focal point against second units. |
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Post by mobaz on Dec 1, 2020 9:27:04 GMT -5
Kemba is officially on hold until January for a knee strengthening program. That dude really needs the Kobe "German Platelet" knee exorcism. I'm NOT comfortable with him this season and beyond, and worry that this team will peak as "6th best team in the league" for the foreseeable future. What terrible injury luck the last few years with IT, then Hayward, then Kyrie, then Hayward some more, now Kemba. There was real Finals potential taken away. Tatum and JB better keep popping gummy vitamins. First, I’m the one who raised the alarm bells here about Kemba, despite getting criticized for it ,so I’m certainly concerned. However, the news he’s on hold until January is a GOOD thing. I wrote about this earlier, but they literally stopped playing 2 months ago. Originally, it was expected the season wouldn’t start until January so they mapped out a plan for Kemba to be ready for that start time. To change that because the NBA decided to start earlier would be foolish. Sounds like he did get a stem cell injection first; I missed that part in the initial report and thought it was just strengthening program. We will see! |
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Post by mobaz on Dec 1, 2020 10:57:18 GMT -5
No further details from Danny
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2020 11:20:45 GMT -5
I envision Aaron Gordon as a small ball center like Theis or Green. He's around their size, has a 7' wingspan and is a crazy explosive athlete. He's developed into a really good passer. His shooting took a step back last year, yet before that was going in the right direction. He just turned 25, yet has spent his whole career next to a true low post center. He's basically a better Robert Woodard type player if you can unlock his toughness and get him to buy into D full time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2020 11:30:25 GMT -5
Kemba is officially on hold until January for a knee strengthening program. That dude really needs the Kobe "German Platelet" knee exorcism. I'm NOT comfortable with him this season and beyond, and worry that this team will peak as "6th best team in the league" for the foreseeable future. What terrible injury luck the last few years with IT, then Hayward, then Kyrie, then Hayward some more, now Kemba. There was real Finals potential taken away. Tatum and JB better keep popping gummy vitamins. First, I’m the one who raised the alarm bells here about Kemba, despite getting criticized for it ,so I’m certainly concerned. However, the news he’s on hold until January is a GOOD thing. I wrote about this earlier, but they literally stopped playing 2 months ago. Originally, it was expected the season wouldn’t start until January so they mapped out a plan for Kemba to be ready for that start time. To change that because the NBA decided to start earlier would be foolish. I guess that's one way to look at it. Another is he's played like 20 games in like eight months and he's not close to 100%. Which he'll never be again, so now it's just reduce his playing time and try to keep him healthy for the playoffs. No amount of strength training is going to offset the loss of cartilage in his knee. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2020 13:23:08 GMT -5
First, I’m the one who raised the alarm bells here about Kemba, despite getting criticized for it ,so I’m certainly concerned. However, the news he’s on hold until January is a GOOD thing. I wrote about this earlier, but they literally stopped playing 2 months ago. Originally, it was expected the season wouldn’t start until January so they mapped out a plan for Kemba to be ready for that start time. To change that because the NBA decided to start earlier would be foolish. I guess that's one way to look at it. Another is he's played like 20 games in like eight months and he's not close to 100%. Which he'll never be again, so now it's just reduce his playing time and try to keep him healthy for the playoffs. No amount of strength training is going to offset the loss of cartilage in his knee. To be clear the good news is relative to the fact they aren’t trying to change his timeline as that’d be a recipe for disaster. It’s not good he needs a timeline. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2020 13:40:14 GMT -5
So who's the starting five without Walker? Does Smart play PG? Do you go Teague?
If it's Smart, who also starts? Nesmith, Williams, Edwards?
Do you have Waters up early so you can ease in Pritchard?
It's going to be an interesting training camp.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 1, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -5
As I said the other day, sady Kemba will most likely never be 100% for long again and that just plain sux.
Pritchard is going to be a surprise and getting a lot of minutes by the end of the season, maybe by March.
I sure would love to see the Jays play with Gordon at the 4, that is some size and athleticism on the wings. Is it just me or did GH not look so great on D last year, he might not be as missed as many think and Gordon would help in that regard.
The 2nd unit will be much improved, no great call there as they couldn't be any worse really. I wish we could combine G Williams and R Williams into one player, that guy would be a stud!!
Prediction: It should be a fun season but it will end in another ECF loss again. Still a piece away and Kemba not being 100% will be the undoing.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2020 15:32:45 GMT -5
So who's the starting five without Walker? Does Smart play PG? Do you go Teague? If it's Smart, who also starts? Nesmith, Williams, Edwards? Do you have Waters up early so you can ease in Pritchard? It's going to be an interesting training camp. My guess is the starting 5 of Of these (not what I’d do but my guess): Teague, smart, Brown, Tatum, Theis Or Smart, Brown, Tatum, G Williams, Theis |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2020 15:36:48 GMT -5
Just something to consider, yet camp open today/tomorrow, I see preseason games set for the 11th and the season starts December 22.
Rookies normally have months and months to get ready, learn the offense and defense. Then a long camp and preseason. They literally have three weeks, like even Thompson and Teague won't be fully ready, nevermind the rookies. Yet given the roster they likely have to play.
It gives a huge advantage to Grant Williams, Semi, Green, Edwards and Waters. They already know the system. It's likely why guys like Green and Semi were brought back over other veterans.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Dec 1, 2020 17:29:02 GMT -5
Just something to consider, yet camp open today/tomorrow, I see preseason games set for the 11th and the season starts December 22. Rookies normally have months and months to get ready, learn the offense and defense. Then a long camp and preseason. They literally have three weeks, like even Thompson and Teague won't be fully ready, nevermind the rookies. Yet given the roster they likely have to play. It gives a huge advantage to Grant Williams, Semi, Green, Edwards and Waters. They already know the system. It's likely why guys like Green and Semi were brought back over other veterans. Maybe, but would that not likely turn out to be short term win at the cost of a long term win? I mean over the course of the season players given minutes will adapt to the system. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 1, 2020 20:07:52 GMT -5
I'm assuming you mean short-term loss for a long-term win?
Maybe, yet Stevens has really never played a rookie till he learned the defense. They are going to play, I just think they'll be brought along slowly.
It's like RJPs point about the Patriots rookies, you don't want to kill their confidence either. So it just depends how quickly they pick stuff up.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 1, 2020 21:43:43 GMT -5
First, I’m the one who raised the alarm bells here about Kemba, despite getting criticized for it ,so I’m certainly concerned. However, the news he’s on hold until January is a GOOD thing. I wrote about this earlier, but they literally stopped playing 2 months ago. Originally, it was expected the season wouldn’t start until January so they mapped out a plan for Kemba to be ready for that start time. To change that because the NBA decided to start earlier would be foolish. I guess that's one way to look at it. Another is he's played like 20 games in like eight months and he's not close to 100%. Which he'll never be again, so now it's just reduce his playing time and try to keep him healthy for the playoffs. No amount of strength training is going to offset the loss of cartilage in his knee. Recently I asked what Kemba's knee issue was. I understood that it was arthritis not a cartilage issue. Maybe he had prior cartilage damage and the inflammation led to arthritis. But what will a stem cell injection accomplish or hope to accomplish? Can it regenerate cartilage, mollify arthritis? As someone pointed out, he played a limited amount of games this year, had the injection in Sept., has worked hard to strengthen the supporting structure of his knee and still won't be available until sometime in January... Reports were that Danny tried to trade him for the 5th pick in the draft. Had he pulled that off, his jersey would be in the rafters and Koby Altman seen selling trinkets on the streets of Peru. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2020 0:01:32 GMT -5
I guess that's one way to look at it. Another is he's played like 20 games in like eight months and he's not close to 100%. Which he'll never be again, so now it's just reduce his playing time and try to keep him healthy for the playoffs. No amount of strength training is going to offset the loss of cartilage in his knee. Recently I asked what Kemba's knee issue was. I understood that it was arthritis not a cartilage issue. Maybe he had prior cartilage damage and the inflammation led to arthritis. But what will a stem cell injection accomplish or hope to accomplish? Can it regenerate cartilage, mollify arthritis? As someone pointed out, he played a limited amount of games this year, had the injection in Sept., has worked hard to strengthen the supporting structure of his knee and still won't be available until sometime in January... Reports were that Danny tried to trade him for the 5th pick in the draft. Had he pulled that off, his jersey would be in the rafters and Koby Altman seen selling trinkets on the streets of Peru. It's common, my father who's 67 is going through the same issues. Was talking about knee replacement, yet he's years from that. ACL surgery about 20 years ago, caused cartilage loss, which now is causing arthritis. It's all connected. It won't get better and he likely gets a knee replacement at some point. Now Kemba is much younger, yet that sure seems like his issues. He got a shot to stop cartilage loss and help repair what's left like 6-7 months ago. That doesn't seem to have helped, so he's trying stem cell. Will it help? Let's hope it does. Yet it's bad news, like really bad news. Cartilage doesn't grow back, when it's completely gone you get knee replacements. Walker is obviously years from that. Yet it's never getting better, he'll keep having flair ups. It's really more a question of how many and how often? Every single person is different. The rest and keeping to a timeline made sense. Yet the truth is he got another shot. There's a reason Danny tried to trade him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 2, 2020 7:16:36 GMT -5
Should there be more talk about John Collins as a trade target for the Celtics? His salary fits, he can be a stretch 5 and play the 4 with a bigger lineup.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 2, 2020 8:23:29 GMT -5
Recently I asked what Kemba's knee issue was. I understood that it was arthritis not a cartilage issue. Maybe he had prior cartilage damage and the inflammation led to arthritis. But what will a stem cell injection accomplish or hope to accomplish? Can it regenerate cartilage, mollify arthritis? As someone pointed out, he played a limited amount of games this year, had the injection in Sept., has worked hard to strengthen the supporting structure of his knee and still won't be available until sometime in January... Reports were that Danny tried to trade him for the 5th pick in the draft. Had he pulled that off, his jersey would be in the rafters and Koby Altman seen selling trinkets on the streets of Peru. It's common, my father who's 67 is going through the same issues. Was talking about knee replacement, yet he's years from that. ACL surgery about 20 years ago, caused cartilage loss, which now is causing arthritis. It's all connected. It won't get better and he likely gets a knee replacement at some point. Now Kemba is much younger, yet that sure seems like his issues. He got a shot to stop cartilage loss and help repair what's left like 6-7 months ago. That doesn't seem to have helped, so he's trying stem cell. Will it help? Let's hope it does. Yet it's bad news, like really bad news. Cartilage doesn't grow back, when it's completely gone you get knee replacements. Walker is obviously years from that. Yet it's never getting better, he'll keep having flair ups. It's really more a question of how many and how often? Every single person is different. The rest and keeping to a timeline made sense. Yet the truth is he got another shot. There's a reason Danny tried to trade him. Found the following article... bioinformant.com/stem-cell-therapy-for-knees/ |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 2, 2020 8:44:44 GMT -5
Should there be more talk about John Collins as a trade target for the Celtics? His salary fits, he can be a stretch 5 and play the 4 with a bigger lineup. Not right now - the Hawks have every intention of extending him. If those talks sour or the season goes south, then maybe there will be more of a match mid-season. |
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