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Post by philarhody on Oct 19, 2020 16:56:41 GMT -5
You want a mix things up trade involving those two teams that I actually think could make sense? Just trade Walker for Westbrook, I can see that helping both teams. It's not perfect, yet it's interesting and doesn't change our future one bit. Wait, what? Westbrook can't shoot and he's a fundamentally poor defender. That doesn't help us, that makes us worse. And Danny is NOT trading Kemba. He's not trading Brown either FWIW. Do you believe Danny would not trade BOTH Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2020 17:38:48 GMT -5
Jaylen Brown might be entering the best non-rookie contract in the NBA for what it’s worth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2020 17:39:11 GMT -5
Wait, what? Westbrook can't shoot and he's a fundamentally poor defender. That doesn't help us, that makes us worse. And Danny is NOT trading Kemba. He's not trading Brown either FWIW. Do you believe Danny would not trade BOTH Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns? I don’t think he would. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2020 18:14:39 GMT -5
What about doing something like:
Kanter
Poirier
26 pick
30 pick
For Luke Kennard
And a future second
Kennard can be a cheaper version of Hayward with a better 3 point shot. Get rid of Frenchy and his guaranteed money and keep the 14th pick.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 19, 2020 18:23:25 GMT -5
Do you believe Danny would not trade BOTH Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns? I don’t think he would. Ok. Would he trade Brown, straight up? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2020 18:26:42 GMT -5
Ok. Would he trade Brown, straight up? He might - Danny loves his wings tho |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2020 22:21:47 GMT -5
You want a mix things up trade involving those two teams that I actually think could make sense? Just trade Walker for Westbrook, I can see that helping both teams. It's not perfect, yet it's interesting and doesn't change our future one bit. Wait, what? Westbrook can't shoot and he's a fundamentally poor defender. That doesn't help us, that makes us worse. And Danny is NOT trading Kemba. He's not trading Brown either FWIW. Westbrook isn't a great shooter, yet not like Walker was that good in the playoffs. I believe it's a massive upgrade in defense, rebounding, passing and creating. You can't stop Westbrook in the playoffs like Walker. Give me that triple double guy from the Thunder minus a few shots a game. I think it helps you be able to play your best five more. Yet you'd have to add a big that can shoot and more shooting overall. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2020 22:42:40 GMT -5
Danny because if your not trading Brown for Anthony Davis, why would you for a much older James Harden? That trade likely makes you worse and why would you want to break up Tatum and Brown? That's like Cavs type crap, destroying your future for a slightly better chance for a few years. You want a mix things up trade involving those two teams that I actually think could make sense? Just trade Walker for Westbrook, I can see that helping both teams. It's not perfect, yet it's interesting and doesn't change our future one bit. I thought Danny didn’t trade for Anthony Davis because he wouldn’t sign here. The difference between whatever you mean when you say the “Cavs type crap” is that Harden is one of the great creators ever, and both Kemba and Brown are not. It's nothing about Harden who I love. It's about trading basically ever young good asset we have besides Tatum for a player who is 31. So we'll then watch Tatum bounce in four years because we have no future. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2020 23:05:50 GMT -5
What about doing something like: Kanter Poirier 26 pick 30 pick For Luke Kennard And a future second Kennard can be a cheaper version of Hayward with a better 3 point shot. Get rid of Frenchy and his guaranteed money and keep the 14th pick. That's interesting if the Pistons would do that. You like him more than guys like Joe or Bane in the draft? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 19, 2020 23:59:19 GMT -5
Do you believe Danny would not trade BOTH Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns? He wouldn't trade EITHER for pretty much anyone. Jaylen is very clearly his guy and Kemba is entering the second year of his contract, Danny knows how this works. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2020 5:18:26 GMT -5
What about doing something like: Kanter Poirier 26 pick 30 pick For Luke Kennard And a future second Kennard can be a cheaper version of Hayward with a better 3 point shot. Get rid of Frenchy and his guaranteed money and keep the 14th pick. That's interesting if the Pistons would do that. You like him more than guys like Joe or Bane in the draft? He’s a known commodity where those guys aren’t. He’s a well rounded player and he’s part of the same Brown, Tatum and Smart timeline age wise so it just seems like a nice fit. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2020 8:07:45 GMT -5
That's interesting if the Pistons would do that. You like him more than guys like Joe or Bane in the draft? He’s a known commodity where those guys aren’t. He’s a well rounded player and he’s part of the same Brown, Tatum and Smart timeline age wise so it just seems like a nice fit. Thinking on it - might have to add Carsen Edwards too which may be a good thing to get rid of his guaranteed deal. |
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Post by philarhody on Oct 20, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -5
Do you believe Danny would not trade BOTH Kemba Walker and Jaylen Brown for Karl Anthony Towns? He wouldn't trade EITHER for pretty much anyone. Jaylen is very clearly his guy and Kemba is entering the second year of his contract, Danny knows how this works. Ok how does this work? Loyalty over championships? If you can improve your team for the sake of championships, you do it. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 20, 2020 12:31:17 GMT -5
Ok how does this work? Loyalty over championships? If you can improve your team for the sake of championships, you do it. I agree, but Jaylen is a core part of our championship window and Kemba deserves another year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2020 14:35:01 GMT -5
KAT is a beast... i know nothing about his defense though... is he any good?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 15:09:05 GMT -5
He’s a known commodity where those guys aren’t. He’s a well rounded player and he’s part of the same Brown, Tatum and Smart timeline age wise so it just seems like a nice fit. Thinking on it - might have to add Carsen Edwards too which may be a good thing to get rid of his guaranteed deal. That's part of the reason I pause, he's known to basically be a shooter who doesn't do much else and isn't good at D. He's in his final year and makes 5.3 million with restricted free agency up next. Would the Pistons even trade him? I guess I can see it, clear the board and just start over if they don't want to pay him. The big part is clearing money and space, yet if Kanter opts out like rumors say this deal makes a lot less sense. I also don't see him playing a ton with Hayward still here, so in that sense I could see a guy like Bane being a better fit. If you condense the picks and move Kanter and VP, we don't need to remove Edwards right? Yet your likely right they want a guy like him. It's interesting, if Kanter opts in I'd consider it if that was the best option. Overall not a huge fan of it though as a bunch of players can add shooting at that spot in the draft and both picks combined are still cheaper than Kennard's salary. What are we paying him long-term? I don't mind an Isiah Joe for four year making peanuts as an option on the bench to add shooting, paying him 10-12 million is a different story. Though I will admit Detroit is the perfect team to dump salary on. Wouldn't they do an Edwards and VP plus cash to cover his salary deal if Kanter opts out? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 15:34:08 GMT -5
KAT is a beast... i know nothing about his defense though... is he any good? Basketball Reference rates his D as positive, yet just barely and that's not great for a center. Real plus minus rates him dead last and it's not even close. Now I haven't watched a ton of him, yet he's not an Anthony Davis. He's just not that type of athlete and he'll never be close to elite. It's kinda hard to use advanced stats on crappy teams. His numbers would for sure improve on the Celtics, yet he's always going to be more offense than D. It's really is he this bad or is it his effort is that bad? There's a reason Butler forced his way out. I'm staying away from him, very talented yet he's also a perfect example of a guy learning how to play the wrong way. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 20, 2020 15:54:11 GMT -5
Thinking on it - might have to add Carsen Edwards too which may be a good thing to get rid of his guaranteed deal. That's part of the reason I pause, he's known to basically be a shooter who doesn't do much else and isn't good at D. He's in his final year and makes 5.3 million with restricted free agency up next. Would the Pistons even trade him? I guess I can see it, clear the board and just start over if they don't want to pay him. The big part is clearing money and space, yet if Kanter opts out like rumors say this deal makes a lot less sense. I also don't see him playing a ton with Hayward still here, so in that sense I could see a guy like Bane being a better fit. If you condense the picks and move Kanter and VP, we don't need to remove Edwards right? Yet your likely right they want a guy like him. It's interesting, if Kanter opts in I'd consider it if that was the best option. Overall not a huge fan of it though as a bunch of players can add shooting at that spot in the draft and both picks combined are still cheaper than Kennard's salary. What are we paying him long-term? I don't mind an Isiah Joe for four year making peanuts as an option on the bench to add shooting, paying him 10-12 million is a different story. Though I will admit Detroit is the perfect team to dump salary on. Wouldn't they do an Edwards and VP plus cash to cover his salary deal if Kanter opts out? Kenard is a good passer and pretty good rebounder as well. He’s not just a shooter and nothing else. What I’m not sure about is his defense. Detroit is dumb so i don’t know what they’ll do, but for me he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy you extend as a building block. They should be tearing it down and starting over. I have no issues with the guys you mentioned... I’d also add a guy like Ramsey to the list at the end of the first round. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 16:42:30 GMT -5
I don't think 3.5 rebounds in almost 33 minutes a game is a positive and aren't his assists numbers higher because they were basically using him as a PG? This year they started two SGs him and Brown which resulted in that huge spike in his assists. A SG getting that many in a SG role is very good, him getting those acting as a PG is just so-so. His production resulted in a 14.4 per, so he's below average in counting stats per minute. Basketball Reference has his D negative, real plus minus is positive. He's not a guy who can help cover for Kemba like Brown and Smart can. Really poor steal numbers.
On the flip side he could greatly benefit from open looks playing on a much more talented team. He's clearly not a ball hog and is a willing passer. He should fit the offense and he's a truly elite shooter. 40% at 6.5 attempts and the FT% to match it. It just takes some projection to see his role because I don't like his D and I don't think you can play him major minutes next to Walker. That gives me pause, yet he's a very good fit on the second unit if Smart is there or Hayward. It's interesting because if I'm Detroit and rebuilding I'm not paying him. A full on rebuild makes more sense, yet it's Detroit so who knows.
I will say, even if it's not Kennard a similar type trade does make a ton of sense. Going after a young more proven type guy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 16:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by philarhody on Oct 20, 2020 18:27:46 GMT -5
KAT is a beast... i know nothing about his defense though... is he any good? Basketball Reference rates his D as positive, yet just barely and that's not great for a center. Real plus minus rates him dead last and it's not even close. Now I haven't watched a ton of him, yet he's not an Anthony Davis. He's just not that type of athlete and he'll never be close to elite. It's kinda hard to use advanced stats on crappy teams. His numbers would for sure improve on the Celtics, yet he's always going to be more offense than D. It's really is he this bad or is it his effort is that bad? There's a reason Butler forced his way out. I'm staying away from him, very talented yet he's also a perfect example of a guy learning how to play the wrong way. He’s a transcendent offensive player who leaves his feet way too often on defense. I think he can be a pretty good positional defender. KAT is worth building a defense around ala Dirk Nowitzki. Awesome offensive hub. Championship level talent. |
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Post by hongkyongnae on Oct 20, 2020 18:50:47 GMT -5
Since I am not that familiar with KAT's defense and have only heard it is "not good." But how "not good" is the question.
Is he Kevin Love level bad?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 19:56:49 GMT -5
Basketball Reference rates his D as positive, yet just barely and that's not great for a center. Real plus minus rates him dead last and it's not even close. Now I haven't watched a ton of him, yet he's not an Anthony Davis. He's just not that type of athlete and he'll never be close to elite. It's kinda hard to use advanced stats on crappy teams. His numbers would for sure improve on the Celtics, yet he's always going to be more offense than D. It's really is he this bad or is it his effort is that bad? There's a reason Butler forced his way out. I'm staying away from him, very talented yet he's also a perfect example of a guy learning how to play the wrong way. He’s a transcendent offensive player who leaves his feet way too often on defense. I think he can be a pretty good positional defender. KAT is worth building a defense around ala Dirk Nowitzki. Awesome offensive hub. Championship level talent. He's great on offense, but you can't build a defense around a center if he won't try on D. Dirk was a PF, so just get an elite center like Chandler and your good. I think he can be better, yet I'd be worried about his effort level as it's horrible. It's Doncic level bad type crap. Now a bunch of young players on bad teams do that. Yet they had a defensive coach, got Butler and he still acted that way. You have to worry he's Melo, only cares about scoring even when they can actually play D. It's not ability with him, he moves much better than a guy like Kanter. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 20, 2020 19:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 21, 2020 7:55:10 GMT -5
He wouldn't trade EITHER for pretty much anyone. Jaylen is very clearly his guy and Kemba is entering the second year of his contract, Danny knows how this works. Ok how does this work? Loyalty over championships? If you can improve your team for the sake of championships, you do it. It's highly unlikely. The only long term deal in place is Brown and Tatum is about to follow. They are part of the core now and in the future. Kemba when healthy showed what he can do, now his healthy is a concern but so would it be for a trade partner with a max contract for a small post 30 years old. |
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