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Post by dyoungteach on May 27, 2021 15:43:00 GMT -5
I think the only name suggested at 4 recently that I didn’t like was Fabian Which is hilarious because if you rewind to winter I was pounding the table for him at 4 There most definitely is another name being mentioned Ild hate!!! Fabian would be a complete shock to me too. Under slot or not
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Post by sarasoxer on May 27, 2021 16:13:11 GMT -5
I think the only name suggested at 4 recently that I didn’t like was Fabian Which is hilarious because if you rewind to winter I was pounding the table for him at 4 Which shows to go ya. We don't know what we don't know. Reading about the draft puts me on an emotional yo-yo.
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Post by ramireja on May 27, 2021 16:46:46 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 27, 2021 19:34:00 GMT -5
Louisville got knocked out of the ACC tournament and probably won't make the NCAA tournament. Looks like the season is likely over for Henry Davis.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 27, 2021 19:40:15 GMT -5
Louisville got knocked out of the ACC tournament and probably won't make the NCAA tournament. Looks like the season is likely over for Henry Davis. Getting knocked out when his draft stock could never be higher is the best thing that could happen to Davis
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Post by soxinsf on May 27, 2021 19:57:26 GMT -5
Louisville got knocked out of the ACC tournament and probably won't make the NCAA tournament. Looks like the season is likely over for Henry Davis. Getting knocked out when his draft stock could never be higher is the best thing that could happen to Davis I'm pretty sure it is going to drop him down to number four.In truth, I hope it does. As a wearer of the tools of ignorance, I am partial to great catchers, who both hit and know how to work a game.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 27, 2021 20:16:10 GMT -5
From Keith Law's Chat today: The idea that last year's 17th-overall pick being off to a tough first 3.5 weeks of his professional career would change the organization's drafting strategy and what they do at 1-4 is absolutely ludicrous. Like, what? I don’t think going underslot makes any sense given the Red Sox draft position. Maybe it makes sense when you have the first pick of the second or third tier group of prospects but not when you have a shot at one of the top tier of five or six guys. It all depends who's available, what their evaluation of him is, and what the relative asking prices are. Say they rate guys on a 1 to 100 scale. The top two players left when their pick is up they grade as an 89 and a 87. To sign the 89 will take $6.2 million. To sign the 87 will take $5.2 million. There's an argument you take the 87. This is all hypothetical, but that's the only instance where literally taking BPA might not make sense. Now, what doesn't make sense is taking a guy they grade at, say, 75 instead of a guy they grade at 89 in order to save money. Again, it's relative.
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Post by chr31ter on May 27, 2021 20:24:49 GMT -5
Kumar Rocker's been staked to a 2-0 lead against #1-seeded Arkansas in the SEC Tournament.
Game is live on SEC Network.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 27, 2021 20:31:04 GMT -5
From Keith Law's Chat today: The idea that last year's 17th-overall pick being off to a tough first 3.5 weeks of his professional career would change the organization's drafting strategy and what they do at 1-4 is absolutely ludicrous. Like, what? I don’t think going underslot makes any sense given the Red Sox draft position. Maybe it makes sense when you have the first pick of the second or third tier group of prospects but not when you have a shot at one of the top tier of five or six guys. It all depends who's available, what their evaluation of him is, and what the relative asking prices are. Say they rate guys on a 1 to 100 scale. The top two players left when their pick is up they grade as an 89 and a 87. To sign the 89 will take $6.2 million. To sign the 87 will take $5.2 million. There's an argument you take the 87. This is all hypothetical, but that's the only instance where literally taking BPA might not make sense. Now, what doesn't make sense is taking a guy they grade at, say, 75 instead of a guy they grade at 89 in order to save money. Again, it's relative. Also if teams were to be scared off by archetypes that they drafted that didn't turn out... they just wouldn't draft anyone
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Post by texs31 on May 27, 2021 20:34:15 GMT -5
I feel like our perception of how an underslot guy comes about is "Hey, I know we have the 4th pick but if we get the 10th best player, we'll save some money for later" when it's more likely it's "Hey, we have the 4th pick and there are a number of guys who we have rated/ranked similarly. Let's find out what they are thinking about bonus-wise and see if we can't get 1 of them at a bargain."
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Post by swingingbunt on May 27, 2021 20:37:19 GMT -5
If you want to hop on the Rocker bandwagon watch his first inning tonight.
If you want to run away screaming from the Rocker bandwagon watch his second inning tonight.
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Post by cdj on May 27, 2021 20:37:20 GMT -5
Kumar having a bad 2nd inning
Velo is 95-97 though, that’s encouraging
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Post by chr31ter on May 27, 2021 20:38:48 GMT -5
The Kumar Rocker roller coaster is in full effect.
Struck out the side in the first.
He's all over the place in the 2nd. Just issued a walk to load the bases, and then hit the next batter in the head with a fastball to force in a run. 2-2 after 2 innings. Rocker's already thrown 52 pitches.
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Post by cdj on May 27, 2021 20:50:58 GMT -5
Hopefully we see Kopps for Arkansas, I like him as a senior sign. Could be good depth in the minors, he’s got fun secondaries
He’s a TJ guy so between that and the pandemic he’s old- he’s 24. Absolutely murdering SEC hitting though
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Post by tyler3 on May 27, 2021 21:32:55 GMT -5
Rocker didn’t make it out of the 4th. Lotta Ks, lotta walks, Batter hit in the head, lotta hits, lotta pitches, 4 runs for now with a man on 2nd…
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Post by tyler3 on May 27, 2021 21:38:20 GMT -5
If Leiter comes out shoving tomorrow I think it simplifies this thing. I believe Davis and Lawlar are done for the season. Mayer is rolling. With Leiter shoving that makes a top 4. Now…if Leiter kinda stumbles..we’ll I really don’t know where the RedSox go if Mayer, Lawlar, Davis get snatched up in front of them. I think that could be a scenario where the Red Sox look to cut a deal and spread the money. We’ll see.
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Post by tyler3 on May 27, 2021 21:40:57 GMT -5
Rocker didn’t make it out of the 4th. Lotta Ks, lotta walks, Batter hit in the head, lotta hits, lotta pitches, 4 runs for now with a man on 2nd… Looks like that inherited runner left by Kumar scored. So that’s 5 runs in 3 1/3 inning.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 27, 2021 21:42:21 GMT -5
If Leiter comes out shoving tomorrow I think it simplifies this thing. I believe Davis and Lawlar are done for the season. Mayer is rolling. With Leiter shoving that makes a top 4. Now…if Leiter kinda stumbles..we’ll I really don’t know where the RedSox go if Mayer, Lawlar, Davis get snatched up in front of them. I think that could be a scenario where the Red Sox look to cut a deal and spread the money. We’ll see. 4 could end up being the $$$$ spot. I have a feeling Davis goes top 3 the Tigers, Pirates, and Rangers all could use help at C. Leiter has separated himself as the #1 pitcher in this class, and he'd probably have gone #1 overall in prior years. He'll be big league ready by 2023.
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Post by patford on May 27, 2021 21:49:09 GMT -5
I could see Rocker falling a long way. In the first place he's simply not very good. I'm at a loss to understand why he was ever rated so highly. Beyond that he seems like a sweet kid which kid of worries me. I saw a clip of him and he gave the impression his awful outing against Georgia was kind of funny. Now I don't want a pitcher who is shattered by a bad game but I do want a pitcher who is annoyed by a bad game. He also looks pretty soft physically and his dad is just huge which would concern me. He comes across as a happy-go-lucky kid from an upper class family who does not have the kind of killer instinct which benefits a pitcher.
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 27, 2021 21:56:38 GMT -5
I could see Rocker falling a long way. In the first place he's simply not very good. I'm at a loss to understand why he was ever rated so highly. Beyond that he seems like a sweet kid which kid of worries me. I saw a clip of him and he gave the impression his awful outing against Georgia was kind of funny. Now I don't want a pitcher who is shattered by a bad game but I do want a pitcher who is annoyed by a bad game. He also looks pretty soft physically and his dad is just huge which would concern me. He comes across as a happy-go-lucky kid from an upper class family who does not have the kind of killer instinct which benefits a pitcher. Rocker has been a top prospect since High School. His dad was the DL coach at Georgia and I doubt Kumar ever had to work to make a team. He is super talented, but its not make or break for him if he doesn't become the next great pitcher in baseball. Im not sure Jack Leiter would be allowed to golf with his father when he retires unless he wins 100 career games.
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Post by tyler3 on May 27, 2021 21:57:30 GMT -5
If Leiter comes out shoving tomorrow I think it simplifies this thing. I believe Davis and Lawlar are done for the season. Mayer is rolling. With Leiter shoving that makes a top 4. Now…if Leiter kinda stumbles..we’ll I really don’t know where the RedSox go if Mayer, Lawlar, Davis get snatched up in front of them. I think that could be a scenario where the Red Sox look to cut a deal and spread the money. We’ll see. 4 could end up being the $$$$ spot. I have a feeling Davis goes top 3 the Tigers, Pirates, and Rangers all could use help at C. Leiter has separated himself as the #1 pitcher in this class, and he'd probably have gone #1 overall in prior years. He'll be big league ready by 2023. I mean…Leiter is a small guy…catcher can be risky, One HS SS doesn’t have speed and May move off SS in the future, the other has speed but struck out a ton to begin the spring, will be 19 on draft day, and hit just 4 homers this year. But let’s be serious, I’d do back flips if the Red Sox got any of these guys. My personal favorite is still Watson in a way and Jobe’s slider makes me blush, but here’s to Leiter just wrecking the competition and making the decision for the Red Sox easy. Whichever of the top 4 that falls.
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Post by tyler3 on May 27, 2021 22:09:23 GMT -5
Although kinda a serious question cuz I’m not sure Rocker’s celebrity could handle it but…We have guys on here that would love Kumar at 4, guys who are ok with it, and guys who would never do it….I guess to that never do it crowd. Would you take Kumar if you could get him underslot? Like say save a million? Just curious? not sure he’d do it but..I don’t know.
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Post by cdj on May 27, 2021 22:22:49 GMT -5
I could see Rocker falling a long way. In the first place he's simply not very good. I'm at a loss to understand why he was ever rated so highly. Beyond that he seems like a sweet kid which kid of worries me. I saw a clip of him and he gave the impression his awful outing against Georgia was kind of funny. Now I don't want a pitcher who is shattered by a bad game but I do want a pitcher who is annoyed by a bad game. He also looks pretty soft physically and his dad is just huge which would concern me. He comes across as a happy-go-lucky kid from an upper class family who does not have the kind of killer instinct which benefits a pitcher. Yeah I mean it’s not like he’s thrown a 19 K no-hitter with his teams season on the line as a teen, absolutely zero killer instinct there I get not liking him because he is not a flawless prospect and I can see him falling too but I think you’re just seeing what you want to see with that stuff so you can further confirm your own narrative (which may or may not be correct) Also the “he’s not very good” stuff is a tad hyperbolic I’d say but whatever
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Post by chr31ter on May 27, 2021 22:25:40 GMT -5
There's just nothing about Kumar that's consistent.
I could understand taking him #4 because the talent and upside are real, but I'd be nervous as hell about it.
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Post by James Dunne on May 27, 2021 22:50:48 GMT -5
I could see Rocker falling a long way. In the first place he's simply not very good. I'm at a loss to understand why he was ever rated so highly. Beyond that he seems like a sweet kid which kid of worries me. I saw a clip of him and he gave the impression his awful outing against Georgia was kind of funny. Now I don't want a pitcher who is shattered by a bad game but I do want a pitcher who is annoyed by a bad game. He also looks pretty soft physically and his dad is just huge which would concern me. He comes across as a happy-go-lucky kid from an upper class family who does not have the kind of killer instinct which benefits a pitcher. That is Kumar Rocker, a happy-go-lucky rich kid who doesn't get fired up and isn't very good. Not wanting Kumar Rocker at #4 is fine, there are certainly at least four players who you could prefer without anyone thinking you are crazy. But COME ON.
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