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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by unitspin on May 29, 2021 14:47:41 GMT -5
Id say in the top three picks are going to be a mix of Leiter, lawler and mayer. After that were sitting with a pick between davis, rocker and house. Unless we go underslot and load up on value picks like others on here have mentioned.
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 29, 2021 15:07:46 GMT -5
If Davis is a legit contender for the #1 pick, then we have to think that there's a strong possibility that Lawlar or Mayer falls to us. Would we pass on them? or pass on one of the Vandy RHPs?
Until now, I haven't given Lawlar/Mayer much thought because most mocks have them going before #4.
It wasn't too long ago that it seemed the archetypical Sox draftee was an up the middle guy like Lawlar or Mayer. I wouldn't complain having a potential 5 tool SS in the system.
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Post by cdj on May 29, 2021 15:16:47 GMT -5
I think if Mayer is at 4 there is a 0% chance they pass on him, I don’t think he will be there though
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Post by patford on May 29, 2021 15:26:09 GMT -5
I think if Mayer is at 4 there is a 0% chance they pass on him, I don’t think he will be there though Given we are still almost a month away and the volatility of the top five I don't think it's possible to predict. For no reason other than reading a few articles I've been set on Mayer for months but to be honest I've got no clue. I do know I don't like Rocker. I've seen enough balls.
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Post by tyler3 on May 29, 2021 15:36:41 GMT -5
I think if Mayer is at 4 there is a 0% chance they pass on him, I don’t think he will be there though Given we are still almost a month away and the volatility of the top five I don't think it's possible to predict. For no reason other than reading a few articles I've been set on Mayer for months but to be honest I've got no clue. I do know I don't like Rocker. I've seen enough balls.
Great point but something to consider, Lawlar and Davis are done, both finishing on high notes. So aside from workouts and $demands, that’s it for them. I do think that Law does have a point, in that, the top 3 or 4 are pretty close together. Why not see who will cut a deal (if Pirates) Davis strikes me as a candidate to take less money. Leiter has been a celebrity for a while, the HS SSs are committed to Vanderbilt and USC, so…. If Davis goes number 1…..that makes it interesting.
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Post by tyler3 on May 29, 2021 15:53:21 GMT -5
All I mean to say is I can see Davis, Lawlar, and then Detroit with a choice between Mayer and Leiter….Detroit by all accounts love Mayer….but if Leiter absolutely shoves…?
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 29, 2021 18:21:52 GMT -5
My projection right now is:
1) Mayer 2) Davis 3) House 4) Leiter
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Post by dyoungteach on May 29, 2021 19:14:17 GMT -5
My projection right now is: 1) Mayer 2) Davis 3) House 4) Leiter That’s saying we would pass on lawyer. If they do that... wow
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 29, 2021 19:38:45 GMT -5
BTW this (click) BA projected field of 64 has Louisville making it and in the Nashville regional against Vanderbilt which would be nice for draft purposes.
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Post by jdog2020 on May 29, 2021 21:10:06 GMT -5
I would currently project the following:
1) Mayer 2) Leiter 3) Lawler 4) Davis 5) House 6) Rocker 7) Jobe 8) Watson 9) Frelick 10) Bachman
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Post by azblue on May 29, 2021 21:31:42 GMT -5
Still 6 weeks to go. Evaluations change. Injuries happen.
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Post by cdj on May 29, 2021 22:43:31 GMT -5
Mayer Davis Lawlar Leiter Jobe House Watson Rocker Frelick Bachman
I think that’s my 10 right now? Definitely open to change. Definitely like them all as prospects for various reasons
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Post by greatscottcooper on May 30, 2021 8:06:17 GMT -5
Here is my top ten.
1.) I 2.) Have 3.) No 4.) Clue 5.) who 6.) The 7.) Best 8.) Pick 9.) Will 10.) Be.
I have faith the scouting department will make that choice. I read these lists from Keith law, ESPN, BA, Pipeline etc and I don't think that's a consensus order of talent as much as it's a list of who they think a team will take there based on a whole list of estimations. Whoever the Sox take at #4, for all I know 5 other players would have been taken between the other 28 teams. I'm a huge homer, I'm going to have long conversations in my head about how Leiter/Rocker/Jobe/Davis/Lawlar/Mayer/House is going to be the next great pitcher/hitter in Boston.
Ah screw it, I'll throw my hat in the ring with a top ten for the spirit of the conversation. I once won an NCAA Bracket and I had no ideal what I was doing.
1 Mayer 2 Lawlar 3 Leiter 4 Davis 5 Rocker 6 House 7 Madden 8 Jobe 9 Watson 10 Frelick
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Post by jimgosger on May 30, 2021 8:59:08 GMT -5
Anyone think there's a chance the Sox will take Frelick at 4 with an under slot bonus and use that money to get another first round talent later. Maybe one of the TJ surgery guys. This fits the concept of adding quality depth to the minor league developmental system and spreading the risk. This is what they did with Yorke and Blaze Jordan.
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Post by azblue on May 30, 2021 9:45:23 GMT -5
greatscottcooper posted:
"I have faith the scouting department will make that choice. I read these lists from Keith law, ESPN, BA, Pipeline etc and I don't think that's a consensus order of talent as much as it's a list of who they think a team will take there based on a whole list of estimations. Whoever the Sox take at #4, for all I know 5 other players would have been taken between the other 28 teams. I'm a huge homer, I'm going to have long conversations in my head about how Leiter/Rocker/Jobe/Davis/Lawlar/Mayer/House is going to be the next great pitcher/hitter in Boston."
I second that motion.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 30, 2021 10:36:20 GMT -5
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5243855001The article is about Theo and what changes are coming down the pipe ( starting very soon) to really put game back in athletes hands to produce more action. It focuses on pitching and putting ball in play. I shared this here, because I truly think they could factor this into the draft ( at least early). If pitching staffs are going down to a max of 11 or 12 ( which I had never heard before) starting pitching becomes even more of a priority and starters who can pitch late into games. At same time “hard hit” becomes less of a priority where true athleticism becomes huge. How will this relate to the draft?? Or which players could be valued more? To me starters who last innings and don’t rely just on power will be more valuable. And someone such as whatson or house could become even more valuable than a lawyer with his high strikeouts. Maybe it means nothing- but I suspect if we were a fly on the wall we might hear some arguments placed based off how the game will change
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 30, 2021 10:46:52 GMT -5
Anyone think there's a chance the Sox will take Frelick at 4 with an under slot bonus and use that money to get another first round talent later. Maybe one of the TJ surgery guys. This fits the concept of adding quality depth to the minor league developmental system and spreading the risk. This is what they did with Yorke and Blaze Jordan. I have been very high on the 3 high school shortstops (Lawlar, Mayer, and House), but I'm starting to believe Bloom will strongly consider something like this if Lawlar, Mayer, and Henry Davis are taken before getting to us. The College World Series will be huge for Rocker and Leiter. If they "shine", they still could be the pick. I'd be surprised if Bloom isn't talking with the agents of guys like Frelick, Watson, and maybe even Jobe about taking somewhat less at #4. I would gather all of us would like the ability to draft one of them and at the same time pick up another highly thought of prospect at #40. More and more, I can see this materializing. Bloom has, in a very short time, shown the ability to think differently to bring in as much talent into the organization as he can quickly. The depth in the majors and below has improved, in my opinion, quite a bit. I really like what he has done and believe the organization is in very good hands.
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Post by jimoh on May 30, 2021 10:46:55 GMT -5
Anyone think there's a chance the Sox will take Frelick at 4 with an under slot bonus and use that money to get another first round talent later. Maybe one of the TJ surgery guys. This fits the concept of adding quality depth to the minor league developmental system and spreading the risk. This is what they did with Yorke and Blaze Jordan. Not impossible, but isn't it true that the people running the Sox in the 2010's seemed fond of undersized position players, and that in the 2020s they do not?
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Post by dyoungteach on May 30, 2021 13:49:44 GMT -5
Anyone think there's a chance the Sox will take Frelick at 4 with an under slot bonus and use that money to get another first round talent later. Maybe one of the TJ surgery guys. This fits the concept of adding quality depth to the minor league developmental system and spreading the risk. This is what they did with Yorke and Blaze Jordan. I have been very high on the 3 high school shortstops (Lawlar, Mayer, and House), but I'm starting to believe Bloom will strongly consider something like this if Lawlar, Mayer, and Henry Davis are taken before getting to us. The College World Series will be huge for Rocker and Leiter. If they "shine", they still could be the pick. I'd be surprised if Bloom isn't talking with the agents of guys like Frelick, Watson, and maybe even Jobe about taking somewhat less at #4. I would gather all of us would like the ability to draft one of them and at the same time pick up another highly thought of prospect at #40. More and more, I can see this materializing. Bloom has, in a very short time, shown the ability to think differently to bring in as much talent into the organization as he can quickly. The depth in the majors and below has improved, in my opinion, quite a bit. I really like what he has done and believe the organization is in very good hands. Something not mentioned because we aren’t In a bubble... I believe 1 or more other teams will look to do exactly this in top 4. So who pushes to us?? And equally who WANTS to push to us and makes that abundantly clear to those other 3 teams.... I fully expect at least 2 players 3 weeks ago we expected to not have a shot at will be there. And what’s crazier... it wouldn’t shock me if neither of those 2 are picked
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 30, 2021 17:22:23 GMT -5
I have been very high on the 3 high school shortstops (Lawlar, Mayer, and House), but I'm starting to believe Bloom will strongly consider something like this if Lawlar, Mayer, and Henry Davis are taken before getting to us. The College World Series will be huge for Rocker and Leiter. If they "shine", they still could be the pick. I'd be surprised if Bloom isn't talking with the agents of guys like Frelick, Watson, and maybe even Jobe about taking somewhat less at #4. I would gather all of us would like the ability to draft one of them and at the same time pick up another highly thought of prospect at #40. More and more, I can see this materializing. Bloom has, in a very short time, shown the ability to think differently to bring in as much talent into the organization as he can quickly. The depth in the majors and below has improved, in my opinion, quite a bit. I really like what he has done and believe the organization is in very good hands. Something not mentioned because we aren’t In a bubble... I believe 1 or more other teams will look to do exactly this in top 4. So who pushes to us?? And equally who WANTS to push to us and makes that abundantly clear to those other 3 teams.... I fully expect at least 2 players 3 weeks ago we expected to not have a shot at will be there. And what’s crazier... it wouldn’t shock me if neither of those 2 are picked Lol. That would make things interesting. Frankly, if Lawlar or Mayer get to us and we pass, I'd be upset, but fine otherwise.
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Post by radiohix on May 31, 2021 14:55:47 GMT -5
Tread Athletics, one of the best pitching analysis channels on Youtube, doing a breakdown of Leiter arsenal. Good stuff.
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 1, 2021 8:44:39 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Jun 1, 2021 10:42:20 GMT -5
Prospects Live Red Sox Draft Preview
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jun 1, 2021 10:57:12 GMT -5
Prospects Live Red Sox Draft Preview The "Red Sox have gotten 5.5 WAR from their last 11 first rd SP, and 4.5 of that from Barnes" is a real kick in the balls. Give me a prep SS
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Post by incandenza on Jun 1, 2021 11:20:40 GMT -5
Prospects Live Red Sox Draft Preview The "Red Sox have gotten 5.5 WAR from their last 11 first rd SP, and 4.5 of that from Barnes" is a real kick in the balls. Give me a prep SS Pretty rough, but maybe not as bad as it looks. Their last 3 were Houck, Groome, and Kopech; Houck looks promising, Groome is TBD, and Kopech helped them get Sale. And I don't know how relevant it is in 2021 that they whiffed on guys like Bryan Price and Henry Owens a decade ago.
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