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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 13:13:10 GMT -5
I don’t think Sal is going to last to the second round considering the dearth of college hitting this year. But Jud...man I don’t know.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 13:16:25 GMT -5
Another guy to monitor when considering underslot. Sam Bachman. Had a little soreness last week so spot was skipped and he came back on a pitch limit so just three innings of work. But those 3 innings went ok.
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Post by wildsox on Mar 28, 2021 13:48:32 GMT -5
Is Henry Davis in the conversation at 4 at this point?
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 28, 2021 14:13:11 GMT -5
Is Henry Davis in the conversation at 4 at this point? Wouldn't surprise me, another dude who is really putting together a great year.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 14:47:20 GMT -5
I mean catcher hitting .400 with a great eye, power, and a rocket launcher for an arm. One of the only college bats who is raking.
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Post by jdb on Mar 28, 2021 15:16:05 GMT -5
Fabians last seven games were vs top tier teams, (1) FLorida St, 3 vs Texas A&M and South Carolina and he went 5-29 with 16 Ks. Given him being young for the college class i could see him returning to school if he doesn’t get hot soon.
Also agree with those about Davis and also add in Gunnar Hoglund. I would be happy with either and probably are entering that top 5-6 range.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 15:41:57 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 15:48:29 GMT -5
Also this guy is the ultimate analyst as in he doesn’t care at all about public opinion. He was super high on Leiter from the beginning when everyone else had him 5 or 7. Also to be fair he’s super high on Jud which is probably a miss so far. He is linked in though so when he says Kumar’s velocity is a talking point I believe him. When he says scouts are going nuts for Khalil Watson... Also pertaining to Watson.. check out what fangraphs has to say about him on their board. They are super high on him.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 28, 2021 16:23:20 GMT -5
Also this guy is the ultimate analyst as in he doesn’t care at all about public opinion. He was super high on Leiter from the beginning when everyone else had him 5 or 7. Also to be fair he’s super high on Jud which is probably a miss so far. He is linked in though so when he says Kumar’s velocity is a talking point I believe him. When he says scouts are going nuts for Khalil Watson... Also pertaining to Watson.. check out what fangraphs has to say about him on their board. They are super high on him. I also notice he and fangraphs both have McLain in the top 3, and Lawlar at 6 and 5, respectively.
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Post by jdog2020 on Mar 28, 2021 17:37:04 GMT -5
I had kinda written Frelick off as more of a sentimental pick before the season started but he's the kind of the profile that Boston has succeeded with for almost 20 years now. If he was 6'1" he'd probably be consensus Top 5 at this point, right? He's really playing great this year. I swear I'm not just repping the Middlesex League with this post. I might be a little bit. I mentioned him earlier in the thread. I know there are teams now who try to ignore more superficial reasons to discount a player, but Frelick has a lot of those things working against him. He's smaller, he's a northeast guy, and he's not from a traditional powerhouse school. I wondered if all three of those would combine to push him to the second round where the Red Sox could snag him. He's not lasting to the 2nd round. Sorry to say it.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 28, 2021 19:10:11 GMT -5
Also this guy is the ultimate analyst as in he doesn’t care at all about public opinion. He was super high on Leiter from the beginning when everyone else had him 5 or 7. Also to be fair he’s super high on Jud which is probably a miss so far. He is linked in though so when he says Kumar’s velocity is a talking point I believe him. When he says scouts are going nuts for Khalil Watson... Also pertaining to Watson.. check out what fangraphs has to say about him on their board. They are super high on him. I also notice he and fangraphs both have McLain in the top 3, and Lawlar at 6 and 5, respectively. To be fair fangraphs haven’t updated the board in a while, believe a lot of the college hitters have dipped.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 29, 2021 8:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 29, 2021 12:32:13 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 29, 2021 12:55:18 GMT -5
1. PIT - Lawlar 2. TEX - Rocker 3. DET - Leiter 4. BOS - Meyer 5. BAL - De Castillo 6. ARI - Frelick 7. KC - Henry Davis 8. COL - Hoglund 9. LAA - Madden 10. NYM - Jackson Jobe 11. WAS - Brady House 12. SEA - Hill 13. PHI - Jordan Wicks 14. SF - McLain 15. MIL - Wood
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 29, 2021 15:50:31 GMT -5
I’m not sure why Davis hasn’t yet supplanted Del Castillo as the best catcher for Baseball America. Davis is faster, hits more, hits with more power, gets on base more, has the better arm, will def stick behind the plate....same conference....so...yeah not sure there.....
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 30, 2021 17:32:19 GMT -5
My mind keeps going more and more to our second pick at 40. I think a HS lefty would be plausible. This kid had tommy John already and came back this February. Ranked 47 on baseball America’s latest. I think without the TJS he would be ranked higher and not available to us at 40 so that has been taken into consideration. Also I don’t think there is a large “you don’t take a HS lefty in the second round” crowd here so......
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 30, 2021 19:21:20 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Mar 30, 2021 19:38:03 GMT -5
All this speculation about the second pick is fun. But they're going to pick... the best player available. In fact, I think they are going to have a list of 40 players they like and there is probably going to be a guy they have at about 30 who everyone else thinks less highly of and passes over, and they are going to be thrilled that he is still there at 40. Whether it's a pitcher they rank 29 or a position player they rank 30 is not going to be in their control, unless both players are passed over.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Mar 30, 2021 20:09:01 GMT -5
I want a Kopech prototype with the 2nd round pick a big fireballing RHP. Obviously these type of pitchers don’t grow on threes and I haven’t been able to do the research to see if they are out there this year just putting it out there so that can 2nd guess whomever they pick later.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 30, 2021 21:20:54 GMT -5
All this speculation about the second pick is fun. But they're going to pick... the best player available. In fact, I think they are going to have a list of 40 players they like and there is probably going to be a guy they have at about 30 who everyone else thinks less highly of and passes over, and they are going to be thrilled that he is still there at 40. Whether it's a pitcher they rank 29 or a position player they rank 30 is not going to be in their control, unless both players are passed over. Right... but heres the thing I wonder about...I mean I get in the first round and especially high in the first round you don’t draft for need....but at what point is the talent level so close that at least looking at the farm system, deference is made for a certain position? Purist would say never!! But I wonder. The Rays always seemed to find room for a young lefty in their drafts, could have been just the luck of their board I suppose. Aside from Groome (and let’s hope he’s pulled himself back together) I don’t really remember seeing any high end lefties in the system at all (please correct me if I’m wrong on that one guys). I’m just saying late 1st round/early second round seems to be when teams get talented HS pitchers as it’s just to scary with that high first round pick and the talented usually go to college when presented with third round money. But as you said if they have a hitter ranked 30 then they get him rather than go for pitcher they have ranked at say 40. But what if the pitcher is ranked like 31 and the kid ranked 30 is like a second baseman...(where we have Arroyo, Chavis, Downs, Yorke..... I really am curious if they would be that disciplined.
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Post by tyler3 on Mar 30, 2021 21:22:54 GMT -5
But sorry jimoh, read your last sentence and you covered the eventuality of both players being passed over.
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Post by jimoh on Mar 31, 2021 6:13:40 GMT -5
But sorry jimoh, read your last sentence and you covered the eventuality of both players being passed over. Then they pick the one they have 29, unless it's a tie.
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Post by dyoungteach on Mar 31, 2021 7:35:54 GMT -5
The. Oh thing not. Ring talked about with that second round pick is $$$$. Last year the Sox grabbed a high end player in blaze Jordan who had higher signing bonus. Tampa bay did this with mcclanahan and libertore and I believe several of their other prospects. I could see Red Sox bag $200-$500k extra with that first pick and take the highest upside pick in second round which often become high school pitchers. ( bitsko last year for Tampa bay). No matter what it should be a once every couple decade drafts for Red Sox. Ton of talent and high picks every round! I sure hope we end up with 2-3 future mlb players and one solid everyday player from this draft
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 31, 2021 8:42:22 GMT -5
I would be very surprised if they needed to get into the 30s on their internal list for pick 40. After like, the top half of the first round, the industry tends to start to diverge pretty quickly, is my understanding.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 31, 2021 8:49:13 GMT -5
The. Oh thing not. Ring talked about with that second round pick is $$$$. Last year the Sox grabbed a high end player in blaze Jordan who had higher signing bonus. Tampa bay did this with mcclanahan and libertore and I believe several of their other prospects. I could see Red Sox bag $200-$500k extra with that first pick and take the highest upside pick in second round which often become high school pitchers. ( bitsko last year for Tampa bay). No matter what it should be a once every couple decade drafts for Red Sox. Ton of talent and high picks every round! I sure hope we end up with 2-3 future mlb players and one solid everyday player from this draft Pretty much the only thing they could do that would truly annoy me is if they go underslot with their first round pick (a rare opportunity to pick that high) and invest the savings in a high school pitcher (the riskiest bet you can make in the draft).
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