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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 2, 2021 20:59:26 GMT -5
Tough break for the guy.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 2, 2021 21:17:40 GMT -5
#1 pick.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 2, 2021 21:44:11 GMT -5
Yeah Leiter is untouchable right now. His delivery does look high effort to my untrained eye but the stuff is gross. 11k and 0 hits through 4. Up around 80 pitches.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 2, 2021 21:47:57 GMT -5
Make it 9 is through 3 for Leiter....yeah so that’s not happening as of now. Kumar averaging around 90 on his fast ball now....tops getting kinda weird. Henry Davis with an absolute bomb on an inside 96 mph fastball. My top 5 is now something like Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, and ..........man I don’t know maybe Rocker/Khalil Watson. If this keeps up there may be deals cut all over the place. That is, if there is really no consensus on 3 through 10. I mean everybody I’ve read has House, Watson, Mayer, and Davis in the top 10 or 12 ....but the order has been all over the place.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 2, 2021 21:50:12 GMT -5
Sheesh..
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 2, 2021 22:18:43 GMT -5
Yeah Leiter is untouchable right now. His delivery does look high effort to my untrained eye but the stuff is gross. 11k and 0 hits through 4. Up around 80 pitches. I asked the same question about his delivery and got shot down for it (Mason Mcrae). Apparently his kinetic sequencing is perfect and he therefore gets to his velocity with a lesser risk of injury. All the better for him I guess. Interesting note to this. Where as being a short pitcher used to be a bad thing, these days it’s not an automatic bad thing to some analysts. The idea that if you can get a lower vertical approach angle release point then it eats up hitters at the top of the zone with those uppercut swings. Kinda the pitcher’s return volley to the batter’s launch angle revolution. The reason I point this out is that while Leiter seems to be distancing himself from the RedSox’s fourth pick, there is a guy named Gage Jump in HS who is said to be the lefty version of Leiter at that age. He’s a shorter guy who has spin efficiency (don’t ask I really don’t know) paired with very low vertical approach that creates a fastball which while sitting at 91 to 93... just goes “dark” on hitters. It just jumps on them. Seen him ranked from like 12 to in the 70s. Just something to monitor at 40.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 2, 2021 22:30:25 GMT -5
Make it 9 is through 3 for Leiter....yeah so that’s not happening as of now. Kumar averaging around 90 on his fast ball now....tops getting kinda weird. Henry Davis with an absolute bomb on an inside 96 mph fastball. My top 5 is now something like Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, and ..........man I don’t know maybe Rocker/Khalil Watson. If this keeps up there may be deals cut all over the place. That is, if there is really no consensus on 3 through 10. I mean everybody I’ve read has House, Watson, Mayer, and Davis in the top 10 or 12 ....but the order has been all over the place. ———- Give me the hitter in first round ( I’ll take house) and then cut a deal with a high end high schooler in second that slips
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Post by unitspin on Apr 3, 2021 8:03:42 GMT -5
Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 3, 2021 8:29:06 GMT -5
Give me the hitter in first round ( I’ll take house) and then cut a deal with a high end high schooler in second that slips Yes you've mentioned you prefer a hitter. Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now? I mean, That wasn't a strange opinion before the season. Hill had previously been good, his stuff is nasty at its best, and almost nobody had seen Leiter live. This isn't some gotcha moment, especially in such a strange season. It's also not etched in stone. in one example off the top of my head, Sean Manaea turned out better than Mark Appel, which was a minority opinion headed into the 2013 season that nobody really still had on draft day but turned out to be correct. Everyone sorta knew there would be guys who we hadn't seen enough who would really raise their status, even more than usual. I am guessing as the weather gets warm we will start hearing about some HS guys getting helium too.
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Post by cdj on Apr 3, 2021 9:16:37 GMT -5
Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now? You really trying a gotcha moment on people who floated names they liked during a season which was cancelled? Not everybody is a genius like you unitspin He’s the clear 1.01 now imo
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 3, 2021 11:02:22 GMT -5
Well, long way to go right but now it really is looking like HS hitter with that 4th pick now rights guys? Maybe Kumar... trying think of college hitters who are positioning themselves well enough for pick 4... Henry Davis, maybe Christian Franklin if he turns it on (did well last week). Castillo’s lack of power and questions behind the plate so far take him out of the conversation for me (and if your looking for early season gotcha moments he was one of my favs).
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 3, 2021 11:08:27 GMT -5
Well, long way to go right but now it really is looking like HS hitter with that 4th pick now rights guys? Maybe Kumar... trying think of college hitters who are positioning themselves well enough for pick 4... Henry Davis, maybe Christian Franklin if he turns it on (did well last week). Castillo’s lack of power and questions behind the plate so far take him out of the conversation for me (and if your looking for early season gotcha moments he was one of my favs). And we will be much better off for this! The bigger question is who will take Leiter? I mean do pirates, rangers, or tigers take him? All 3 a person could argue will go hitter. I suspect with pirates rebuilding they could go hitter for sure. Rangers have a high end shortstop sitting in their backyard? ( although they need pitching bad). And tigers have a plethora of pitchers and not many shortstop prospects in their abundant system. Follow up to that is Mayer won’t be there for us I don’t think. And rocker isn’t looking like a sure thing at 4.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 3, 2021 11:25:25 GMT -5
House and Watson seem like excellent fall back plans if top three goes Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer....I love both Watson and House. House is young compared to Lawlar, has the probably the greatest offensive ceiling, and Watson has what is described as the most explosive beautiful swing of the entire draft. Work ethic on both is said to be off the charts. My dream honestly is for us to take Mayer, Watson or House at 4 and then HS lefty at 40 (for me Gage or Clarke). I know, long way, don’t draft for need, just saying would be pumped if it shook out this way.
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Post by unitspin on Apr 3, 2021 12:06:14 GMT -5
Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now? You really trying a gotcha moment on people who floated names they liked during a season which was cancelled? Not everybody is a genius like you unitspin He’s the clear 1.01 now imo Ooo. Was it you? Seems your a little worked up about it. Ppl were not floating Hill's name either they were jamming it down ppls throat. Guy always had question marks about his durability now its not really an argument.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 3, 2021 12:39:05 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 3, 2021 12:47:20 GMT -5
You guys know that unitspin is just Chris Hatfield incognito who likes to mix it up when the thread gets too tame. Anyway maybe this will satisfy everyone..Catchers hitting homers, everyone loves that!!
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Post by jdog2020 on Apr 3, 2021 13:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 3, 2021 14:59:07 GMT -5
Think that would be a real saucy option for 40
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Post by cdj on Apr 3, 2021 16:08:00 GMT -5
You really trying a gotcha moment on people who floated names they liked during a season which was cancelled? Not everybody is a genius like you unitspin He’s the clear 1.01 now imo Ooo. Was it you? Seems your a little worked up about it. Ppl were not floating Hill's name either they were jamming it down ppls throat. Guy always had question marks about his durability now its not really an argument. I don’t think I ever made a comparison between Hill and Leiter and I never saw anybody “jam Hill down ppls throat”. I’m not worked up about anything, I just think you made a pointless troll post and I decided to let you know how dumb it was considering the lack of data on the players due to the cancelled season. Especially since everybody knew A TON would change upon the start of this year. It was Kind of like the post above mine, but the only difference is that you didn’t try and troll a moderator. Pretty smart. It is what it is.
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Post by manfred on Apr 3, 2021 17:27:40 GMT -5
You really trying a gotcha moment on people who floated names they liked during a season which was cancelled? Not everybody is a genius like you unitspin He’s the clear 1.01 now imo Ooo. Was it you? Seems your a little worked up about it. Ppl were not floating Hill's name either they were jamming it down ppls throat. Guy always had question marks about his durability now its not really an argument. I saw Hill clips here earlier in the year and was impressed. So... you got me. But this thread is sort of designed for people to get excited about guys as they rise and fall. Given that most of us — I assume — are not watching game after game of high school and college baseball, people will likely get caught up in small samples. Anyone who wants to wait to dunk on someone will probably have an easy time... but what’s the point?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2021 8:42:01 GMT -5
Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now? Unless the search function on the forum doesn't work (possible) or that person spelled one of the names wrong (possible), nobody has said that in this thread. Neat straw man, potentially, though.
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Post by jdb on Apr 4, 2021 10:28:05 GMT -5
I feel bad for Fabian. He finished the Ole Miss series 1-11 with a HR, 6 K’s and they dropped him to 6th in the lineup. Im with those that are starting to view the top tier as the two SS’s and Leiter.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 4, 2021 11:26:38 GMT -5
I don’t want to discount Kumar, even with diminished velocity he’s good enough to dominate college hitters with that slider...but I mean I don’t believe that one double plus pitch will make him a high end starter at the big leagues...so unless his velocity comes back....well wait and see on that one. I think after this weekend the top 4 are Leiter, Lawlar, Mayer, and Davis (2 more jacks so far this weekend). Khalil Watson will begin his season soon. Time to monitor him and House ...
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 4, 2021 12:04:22 GMT -5
Madden, Hoglund, Frelick? Maybe one of these guys work their way into consideration at #4? And Davis, as has been mentioned. Especially if one could be had under slot and Lawlar, Mayer, and Leiter are gone.
Still a ways to go, though.
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2021 12:10:48 GMT -5
One thing I come back to in my mind every year: if I’m a high school pitcher and get drafted in the first ~5 rounds, there is no way I go to college. It is much better than it used to be, but still college coaches do not care for young arms the way a pro system will. If Kumar’s dip is for health reasons... even minor ones... and Hill is hurt, it is such a shame to see that when they are playing for free (for coaches who get paid to win now).
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