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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 4, 2021 13:13:05 GMT -5
Is it ok if I start a 2022 MLB Draft Thread?
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 4, 2021 14:26:28 GMT -5
Madden, Hoglund, Frelick? Maybe one of these guys work their way into consideration at #4? And Davis, as has been mentioned. Especially if one could be had under slot and Lawlar, Mayer, and Leiter are gone. Still a ways to go, though. If Leiter is gone and no other pitcher emerges as a sure thing, I would lean towards Davis. Obviously, he has to convince that he is the next Buster Posey. But if their due diligence leads to that conclusion and there is no automatic pitcher at 4, then Davis seems like a great choice.
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Post by unitspin on Apr 4, 2021 18:34:20 GMT -5
Well I remember not too long ago ppl on this board believed Hill was the second best arm in the draft over Leiter. Anyone want to change their take now? Unless the search function on the forum doesn't work (possible) or that person spelled one of the names wrong (possible), nobody has said that in this thread. Neat straw man, potentially, though. Sept 12-21 think Hill was catching fire on the boards. One poster said he could be convinced hill has the best stuff in the draft.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2021 19:00:36 GMT -5
Imagine liking a player last September and then it turns out six months later that you were too bullish on them. I mean, you'd just have to dunk on a person like that, right?
McClain can play CF?!?! Every list I saw just listed him at Short. New list 1.Jaden Hill,RHP 2.Jud Fabian,OF 3.Jack Leiter,RHP 4.Matt McClain,CF 5.Ian Moller,C 6.Ethan Wilson,OF 7.Andrew Painter,RHP 8.Steve Hajjar,LHP 9.Colton Cowser,OF Ya he played 2b, cf, and alot at 3b. I kind of dismissed him myself then I watched some video and kept digging the more I did the more I liked. He has a serious hit tool as well with power. If we miss on the pitching id be pretty happy with him or Jud. Meanwhile, it doesn't seem that you had anything to say about this #1 ranking of Hill at the time...
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 4, 2021 19:13:37 GMT -5
Madden, Hoglund, Frelick? Maybe one of these guys work their way into consideration at #4? And Davis, as has been mentioned. Especially if one could be had under slot and Lawlar, Mayer, and Leiter are gone. Still a ways to go, though. If Leiter is gone and no other pitcher emerges as a sure thing, I would lean towards Davis. Obviously, he has to convince that he is the next Buster Posey. But if their due diligence leads to that conclusion and there is no automatic pitcher at 4, then Davis seems like a great choice. Another multi hit/ multi RBI game from Davis today. His average is around .385, his OBP is .482, to go with his 7 dingers and 7 doubles that comes out to a 1.169 OPS that should ridiculous for a good catcher with a rocket arm....I mean the guys such a good athlete he has I think 9 steals. Has struck out 10 times all season.
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Post by cdj on Apr 4, 2021 21:48:27 GMT -5
If Leiter is gone and no other pitcher emerges as a sure thing, I would lean towards Davis. Obviously, he has to convince that he is the next Buster Posey. But if their due diligence leads to that conclusion and there is no automatic pitcher at 4, then Davis seems like a great choice. Another multi hit/ multi RBI game from Davis today. His average is around .385, his OBP is .482, to go with his 7 dingers and 7 doubles that comes out to a 1.169 OPS that should ridiculous for a good catcher with a rocket arm....I mean the guys such a good athlete he has I think 9 steals. Has struck out 10 times all season. If he gets to more steals than strikeouts as a rocket-armed catcher then he’s a must pick lol
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Post by foreverred9 on Apr 4, 2021 22:19:18 GMT -5
Unless the search function on the forum doesn't work (possible) or that person spelled one of the names wrong (possible), nobody has said that in this thread. Neat straw man, potentially, though. Sept 12-21 think Hill was catching fire on the boards. One poster said he could be convinced hill has the best stuff in the draft. I'm not sure what's being discussed anymore. It's a fact that Jaden had a lot of helium in September and his stock has dropped, so it shouldn't be surprising that you're seeing people like him back then. What was the point of your initial post? Were you expecting folks to say, "you're right, he's not the top two pitcher in the draft anymore"? Seems extremely petty (and obvious) but if that means this tangent will end, so be it.
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Post by unitspin on Apr 5, 2021 4:26:24 GMT -5
Sept 12-21 think Hill was catching fire on the boards. One poster said he could be convinced hill has the best stuff in the draft. I'm not sure what's being discussed anymore. It's a fact that Jaden had a lot of helium in September and his stock has dropped, so it shouldn't be surprising that you're seeing people like him back then. What was the point of your initial post? Were you expecting folks to say, "you're right, he's not the top two pitcher in the draft anymore"? Seems extremely petty (and obvious) but if that means this tangent will end, so be it. Well there are posters on here that target posts all the time. Then when they are completely wrong about their take all of sudden its o well that was a while ago as if they never said it. Hell, there was even someone that had the stones to say only reason ppl liked Leiter was his last name, it wasn't his talent just his last name, cool. Great takes.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 5, 2021 9:26:21 GMT -5
Because we have a low pick people kinda have targeted that pick and those players ( with only 5-9 names mentioned). That kinda makes the pages start to become less informative about interesting discussion points or new information, especially this far out. I’m not up on late first or mid first round talent or second round talent. Would love to start reading about players we could have potential to pick in second round ( obviously things change so who knows right now). But that second round pick to me is almost as interesting or exciting as first round choice to me
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2021 11:13:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure what's being discussed anymore. It's a fact that Jaden had a lot of helium in September and his stock has dropped, so it shouldn't be surprising that you're seeing people like him back then. What was the point of your initial post? Were you expecting folks to say, "you're right, he's not the top two pitcher in the draft anymore"? Seems extremely petty (and obvious) but if that means this tangent will end, so be it. Well there are posters on here that target posts all the time. Then when they are completely wrong about their take all of sudden its o well that was a while ago as if they never said it. Hell, there was even someone that had the stones to say only reason ppl liked Leiter was his last name, it wasn't his talent just his last name, cool. Great takes. Again, I don't think anyone has ever said that. I know at one point I wondered if Jack Leiter weren't Al's kid if some of the posters on here who were insistent that the Red Sox select him would have been so insistent at a time when he had thrown 15.2 college innings (when those same posters were ignoring, say, Hill, the HS shortstops, Del Castillo, and other players of similar repute at the time). If that's what you were referring to, yeah, he's clearly shown he belongs now, but again, never said he was only coasting on his name or something crazy.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2021 11:15:50 GMT -5
If we get pick 3 I can absolutely convince myself that Jaden Hill is really the best pitching prospect in the draft anyway Unitspin, if you were referring to this post, the joke was that Leiter and Rocker would be gone. There's also a post with a list that has Hill at the top that I'm pretty sure assumed Rocker was going #1 and removed him from the equation. Also, back in September Perfect Game had Hill ranked ahead of Leiter, so this isn't as insane a take as you're making it out to be. Most posters here were comparing Leiter being, er, lighter on the FB velocity (which has since jumped) versus Hill's lack of durability shown thus far.
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 5, 2021 13:11:22 GMT -5
For those of you interested in another board I’d recommend Joe Doyle, just out today. Hasn’t given up on Kumar (3) but Marcelo and Lawlar have switched. Marcelo now number 2, Lawlar number 4. Davis at 5, followed by Frelick and House (6, 7).
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Post by radiohix on Apr 5, 2021 13:36:40 GMT -5
For those of you interested in another board I’d recommend Joe Doyle, just out today. Hasn’t given up on Kumar (3) but Marcelo and Lawlar have switched. Marcelo now number 2, Lawlar number 4. Davis at 5, followed by Frelick and House (6, 7). Saw that and started sweating abundantly 😅
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 5, 2021 14:25:28 GMT -5
Really stinks for Hill.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2021 14:45:06 GMT -5
That extra year of eligibility could, in theory, be important for him. That sucks though. Hopefully not TJ.
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Post by jl1947 on Apr 5, 2021 17:10:43 GMT -5
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 5, 2021 17:31:47 GMT -5
For those of you interested in another board I’d recommend Joe Doyle, just out today. Hasn’t given up on Kumar (3) but Marcelo and Lawlar have switched. Marcelo now number 2, Lawlar number 4. Davis at 5, followed by Frelick and House (6, 7). Saw that and started sweating abundantly 😅 We gotta get MCGreevy. That is all
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2021 17:37:47 GMT -5
Oof
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 5, 2021 17:45:01 GMT -5
I know this is not the most important thing, and I hope Jaden gets well...but I wonder where this puts Hill on the Red Sox board...like is 40 a possibility now? Or overslot at 75... this happened to .... who last year..J.T. Ginn. He went to the Mets at 52 after having TJ in March of 2020.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 5, 2021 17:58:09 GMT -5
I know this is not the most important thing, and I hope Jaden gets well...but I wonder where this puts Hill on the Red Sox board...like is 40 a possibility now? Or overslot at 75... this happened to .... who last year..J.T. Ginn. He went to the Mets at 52 after having TJ in March of 2020. I hear what you're saying, but Ginn had about 90 innings in college and Hill is about at 50. Ginn also pitched a full season as freshman and Hill has never pitched 30 full innings in a season (this year was his most at 29.2). Hill also has had a previous arm injury. It could happen, but his lack of track record is a huge red flag.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2021 18:05:25 GMT -5
I know this is not the most important thing, and I hope Jaden gets well...but I wonder where this puts Hill on the Red Sox board...like is 40 a possibility now? Or overslot at 75... this happened to .... who last year..J.T. Ginn. He went to the Mets at 52 after having TJ in March of 2020. But he signed an overslot deal for $2.9m, commensurate with the 22nd or 23rd pick and over slot for the pick by $1.5M. The question becomes do you rehab at school or with a pro team, and how much money do you need to do the latter? Probably would take top 20 money maybe? I'm sure the Red Sox will inquire about what his number is and will think about it if he's there at 40. Plus everything vtsox said.
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 5, 2021 18:19:35 GMT -5
I know this is not the most important thing, and I hope Jaden gets well...but I wonder where this puts Hill on the Red Sox board...like is 40 a possibility now? Or overslot at 75... this happened to .... who last year..J.T. Ginn. He went to the Mets at 52 after having TJ in March of 2020. But he signed an overslot deal for $2.9m, commensurate with the 22nd or 23rd pick and over slot for the pick by $1.5M. The question becomes do you rehab at school or with a pro team, and how much money do you need to do the latter? Probably would take top 20 money maybe? I'm sure the Red Sox will inquire about what his number is and will think about it if he's there at 40. Plus everything vtsox said. I am wondering why he would wait months for surgery if he needs it.
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Post by jl1947 on Apr 5, 2021 19:50:05 GMT -5
But he signed an overslot deal for $2.9m, commensurate with the 22nd or 23rd pick and over slot for the pick by $1.5M. The question becomes do you rehab at school or with a pro team, and how much money do you need to do the latter? Probably would take top 20 money maybe? I'm sure the Red Sox will inquire about what his number is and will think about it if he's there at 40. Plus everything vtsox said. I am wondering why he would wait months for surgery if he needs it. I really liked the delivery and the stuff on Hill. Given his relatively meager instruction as a High Schooler as compared to the likes of Leiter and Kumar, I expected that, with good health, he might have exploded this year. Let's hope he has the same relative level of recovery as Walker Buehler or even Garrett Whitlock. If so, taking an under slot draftee at 4 and saving 1.5 million might allow for a reasonable offer for Hill at 40.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Apr 5, 2021 19:58:03 GMT -5
Totally sucks for Hill, but at least there's an explanation for his struggles. In a way I feel better about him as a prospect now that the big issue has revealed itself and is going to, hopefully, be remedied. Last thing I want, purely as a fan, is to take a guy in the first round and immediately have him miss 12-18 months of development due to major reconstructive surgery, especially when that guy's coming out of college already. I'd look at going over slot for him in round 3 if everything lined up for it. I feel like at #40 you'll still be able to get some high end talent that doesn't come with TJ rehab right off the bat, but there's a non-zero chance they could score 3 premium prospects in this draft. Slim non-zero chance, sure, but non-zero nonetheless.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 5, 2021 20:17:02 GMT -5
But he signed an overslot deal for $2.9m, commensurate with the 22nd or 23rd pick and over slot for the pick by $1.5M. The question becomes do you rehab at school or with a pro team, and how much money do you need to do the latter? Probably would take top 20 money maybe? I'm sure the Red Sox will inquire about what his number is and will think about it if he's there at 40. Plus everything vtsox said. I am wondering why he would wait months for surgery if he needs it. I said rehab. He's not going to wait for the surgery. The rehab process is 12-18 months.
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