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2021 MLB Draft
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Post by outofleftfield on Apr 18, 2021 13:01:06 GMT -5
Curious if anyone with an ESPN membership could give a recap of Kiley’s scouting report of House this week. Assuming you mean this article? www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/31263131/how-one-high-school-game-change-mlb-draftFrom the conclusion: "I wouldn't have labeled this the most impactful single prep game if House had gone 1-for-2 with a flyout, walk and strikeout looking on a borderline call, but this performance was enough that one scouting director who was skeptical of House told me he now had to dive back in to reevaluate. A scout whose boss was at the game texted me "heard House made some money tonight."" At the end, he mentions that there's intrigue in him among the top 5 picks. McDaniel has video of House on his twitter, which I'll link at the bottom of the post for convenience, which anyone can see obviously, but he expands upon each instance in a little more depth. Notes the swing is still a little big, which is a problem mechanically, but it looks more manageable than it has in the past, so I guess I'd say I'm optimistic that he closes the gap. Was very aggressive, swung at most every pitch Lesko threw. Here's the twitter stuff, you'll have to scroll down to see the House stuff:
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 18, 2021 13:04:29 GMT -5
Also mentioned the teams that had their "heavy hitters" there and Red Sox were not one of them. Tigers, Orioles among the teams that did. Mentions that one team in the top ten had their GM there.
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Post by chr31ter on Apr 18, 2021 13:34:47 GMT -5
Curious if anyone with an ESPN membership could give a recap of Kiley’s scouting report of House this week. In a nutshell, Kiley said the knock on House has been that he struggled to make contact against mid-90s stuff last summer. Says scouts don't like his hand path to the ball and worry that he'll struggle to make contact against velocity. In the game he covered, Dylan Lesko came out throwing 94-98, and House handled it pretty well. He ripped one Lesko fastball down the LF line for a double, and with a couple of exceptions, generally kept his swing fairly compact. Said House made good swing decisions, and while there are still questions about his swing, it was "good enough" with the potential to improve. Overall, he said that House was good enough in that game that one scouting director told Kiley that he had to "reevaluate", and another scout whose boss was at the game said that he "heard House made some money tonight." Said there was more interest in the Top Five after the game than there was before it. The Red Sox were NOT in attendance for the game, but the Tigers were.
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Post by nomar on Apr 18, 2021 14:15:59 GMT -5
1 in the top 10 sounds like an indictment of House’s hit tool
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 18, 2021 17:34:10 GMT -5
The Red Sox were NOT in attendance for the game, but the Tigers were. If I can quibble, that isn't what he said. He listed the teams that had a "heavy hitter" there, defined as a "GM, assistant GM, VP, special assistant, scouting director, or national crosschecker". They certainly could've had their area scout there.
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Post by chr31ter on Apr 18, 2021 18:03:07 GMT -5
The Red Sox were NOT in attendance for the game, but the Tigers were. If I can quibble, that isn't what he said. He listed the teams that had a "heavy hitter" there, defined as a "GM, assistant GM, VP, special assistant, scouting director, or national crosschecker". They certainly could've had their area scout there. That's more accurate. My bad.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 18, 2021 18:21:50 GMT -5
If I can quibble, that isn't what he said. He listed the teams that had a "heavy hitter" there, defined as a "GM, assistant GM, VP, special assistant, scouting director, or national crosschecker". They certainly could've had their area scout there. That's more accurate. My bad. Even if say tigers take him or gains interest... that’s huge for Red Sox. Mayer. Lawyer or Leiter slipping to Sox because someone takes house is great too. All those guys are—— players. I’ll let you fill in whatever word you want to put. I’ll put mine and Sox will be better for it
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 19, 2021 8:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 19, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -5
Kiley's latest rankings over at ESPN ($$): www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/31269026/kiley-mcdaniel-2021-mlb-draft-rankings-20-jordan-lawlar-jack-leiter-no-1-our-top-100Tier 1 (55FV) 1. Lawlar 2. Leiter Tier 2 (50FV) 3. Meyer 4. Rocker 5. Hoglund 6. Davis 7. House 8. Frelick Tier 3 9. Kahlil Watson, SS, Wake Forest (45+) 10. Jackson Jobe, RHP, OK HS (45+) 11. Matt McLain (from here down, 45FV) 12. Ty Madden 13. Sam Bachman 14. Adrian Del Castillo 15. Andrew Painter 16. Ryan Cusick 17. Jordan Wicks 18. Harry Ford 19. Will Taylor 20. Bubba Chandler 21. Jaden Hill 22. Lonnie White Jr. 23. Benny Montgomery 24. Jackson Baumeister 25. Tommy Mace Of note: 28. James Wood 34. Jud Fabian 39. Josh Baez 45. Luca Tresh
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 19, 2021 9:42:07 GMT -5
See Chris' post above! Some notes: Lawlar - does everything well, despite age and some swing and miss. "Seen as the top prospects in this class by a bit...but its close." Leiter - notes here that Pittsburgh is more likely to chase upside considering their longer rebuild so Leiter's short timetable doesn't necessarily fit. Mayer - "Chatter within the industry is that the slick-handed infielder likely goes either third (Detroit), fourth (Boston) or fifth (Baltimore)." Rocker - Strong buzz that Detroit (3) or Royals (7) are his most likely landing spots. Davis - could be this year's Kjerstad and Kiley perfers Davis to Kjerstad as a prospect. www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/31269026/kiley-mcdaniel-2021-mlb-draft-rankings-20-jordan-lawlar-jack-leiter-no-1-our-top-100
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 19, 2021 11:27:39 GMT -5
Great year to have a bad year it seems. Happy to have the top 4 pick but don't want to be anywhere near here again (until the picks can be traded).
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Post by jbuttah on Apr 19, 2021 11:44:02 GMT -5
Just wish they'd lost that last game to get the #3. At 3, they might've had a decent chance at Leiter.
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Post by brendan98 on Apr 19, 2021 11:49:06 GMT -5
Someone please tell me if I'm not looking at this in the right way, but I think the Sox are in an ideal spot at #4, they will be in a position to draft at least 1 of Rocker, Leiter Lawler or Mayer.
It seems to me that their is a slight dropoff (at least in perception) after that.
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Post by jdb on Apr 19, 2021 12:22:17 GMT -5
Davis is starting to become my preference.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 19, 2021 12:46:38 GMT -5
Someone please tell me if I'm not looking at this in the right way, but I think the Sox are in an ideal spot at #4, they will be in a position to draft at least 1 of Rocker, Leiter Lawler or Mayer. It seems to me that their is a slight dropoff (at least in perception) after that. Trying to read between the lines in Kiley's piece, it seems that they are high on Mayer and Davis (and perhaps Hoglund as well) but not on Rocker. Kiley has Rocker going anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8, and mentions Mark Appel as a "relevant precedent if [he] doesn't regain his velocity."
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Post by soxinsf on Apr 19, 2021 12:57:50 GMT -5
Davis is starting to become my preference. If Leiter is not available at #4, and he should not be, Davis is an ideal pick. Davis has the look of an All-Star catcher. The Sox would have to be convinced that a HS infielder is a sure thing to pass on Davis.
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Post by vmoss on Apr 19, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -5
Eric, enjoy your insight on a lot of your posts. Who are you preferences at the moment? Thanks.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2021 13:06:31 GMT -5
Someone please tell me if I'm not looking at this in the right way, but I think the Sox are in an ideal spot at #4, they will be in a position to draft at least 1 of Rocker, Leiter Lawler or Mayer. It seems to me that their is a slight dropoff (at least in perception) after that. Trying to read between the lines in Kiley's piece, it seems that they are high on Mayer and Davis (and perhaps Hoglund as well) but not on Rocker. Kiley has Rocker going anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8, and mentions Mark Appel as a "relevant precedent if [he] doesn't regain his velocity." Oof. Nothing like going into the draft with a famous bust as your comp.
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Post by kingstephanos on Apr 19, 2021 15:04:46 GMT -5
I've liked Davis at #4 for some time - as a power hitting catcher with a great barrel % is very intriguing. It's interesting that Law and others are high on him now - as Law, Kiley etc. were much lower on him a month or two ago. More looks at a prospect lends more insight, I'd assume sure, but I'm also curious how much "narratives" play a factor for national sports writers from an entertainment perspective. As an aside, narratives definitely play a role in who gets drafted where for the NFL.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 19, 2021 16:27:25 GMT -5
Just wish they'd lost that last game to get the #3. At 3, they might've had a decent chance at Leiter. They don’t need Leiter and probably will have shot at as good if not better prospect where they are. The extra money would have been nice though.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 19, 2021 16:30:17 GMT -5
Someone please tell me if I'm not looking at this in the right way, but I think the Sox are in an ideal spot at #4, they will be in a position to draft at least 1 of Rocker, Leiter Lawler or Mayer. It seems to me that their is a slight dropoff (at least in perception) after that. Trying to read between the lines in Kiley's piece, it seems that they are high on Mayer and Davis (and perhaps Hoglund as well) but not on Rocker. Kiley has Rocker going anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8, and mentions Mark Appel as a "relevant precedent if [he] doesn't regain his velocity." Rocker is the last player I want. 2 pitches. And declining velocity. That just screams potential waste of a high choice
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 19, 2021 16:30:48 GMT -5
Just wish they'd lost that last game to get the #3. At 3, they might've had a decent chance at Leiter. They don’t need Leiter and probably will have shot at as good if not better prospect where they are. The extra money would have been nice though. Huh? You're telling me if Leiter is available at 3, you pass? They don't need any pitching prospects could could potentially be a staff ace? And hell, you don't even draft for need, you draft the best player available, but at the moment I would think that there's a really good chance Leiter goes first in the draft, because at this moment, he's probably the best player in the draft.
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Post by dyoungteach on Apr 19, 2021 16:40:13 GMT -5
They don’t need Leiter and probably will have shot at as good if not better prospect where they are. The extra money would have been nice though. Huh? You're telling me if Leiter is available at 3, you pass? They don't need any pitching prospects could could potentially be a staff ace? And hell, you don't even draft for need, you draft the best player available, but at the moment I would think that there's a really good chance Leiter goes first in the draft, because at this moment, he's probably the best player in the draft. I highly doubt Leiter goes first for exact reason discussed earlier. Pirates are rebuilding and further away than the upside of a college pitcher would give them. And my opinion on taking a pitcher this high have been very well documented which some disagree with. But no. There is no way in heck I draft a pitcher there. I take Mayer at 3 or lawyer or house. List 3 players who lost value in past 6 months the most and look at what position they play? That’s why I don’t take pitcher.
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Post by patford on Apr 19, 2021 17:27:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox were NOT in attendance for the game, but the Tigers were. If I can quibble, that isn't what he said. He listed the teams that had a "heavy hitter" there, defined as a "GM, assistant GM, VP, special assistant, scouting director, or national crosschecker". They certainly could've had their area scout there. And given how heavily the scouted Yorke and the fact that went under the radar, how do we know the heavy hitters haven't already seen the kid?
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Post by chr31ter on Apr 19, 2021 20:29:43 GMT -5
If I can quibble, that isn't what he said. He listed the teams that had a "heavy hitter" there, defined as a "GM, assistant GM, VP, special assistant, scouting director, or national crosschecker". They certainly could've had their area scout there. And given how heavily the scouted Yorke and the fact that went under the radar, how do we know the heavy hitters haven't already seen the kid? Is it fair to wonder how serious the team's interest is in House if their "heavy hitters" weren't in attendance for his biggest matchup of the season?
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