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Post by tyler3 on Apr 30, 2021 21:34:49 GMT -5
I think we get house if we want him big man. Don’t worry:)
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Post by tyler3 on Apr 30, 2021 23:43:52 GMT -5
Ok.....well I mean not the greatest start for Kumar...not terrible but....I mean just when I say well at least he doesn’t walk a bunch of people he walks 4 in what 5 innings. I don’t know. I think maybe at this point it’s either Henry Davis, Lawlar, Mayer, or House for me. That’s just me. All the guys mentioned play up the middle with possible exception of House who some say have a chance to stick at SS. House at least has plus plus power and a rocket arm. I’d have to think that at least 1 college pitcher goes in the top 3 and even more convinced that somebody in the top 3 will also cut a deal. Should be interesting.
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Post by radiohix on May 1, 2021 10:24:57 GMT -5
Ok.....well I mean not the greatest start for Kumar...not terrible but....I mean just when I say well at least he doesn’t walk a bunch of people he walks 4 in what 5 innings. I don’t know. I think maybe at this point it’s either Henry Davis, Lawlar, Mayer, or House for me. That’s just me. All the guys mentioned play up the middle with possible exception of House who some say have a chance to stick at SS. House at least has plus plus power and a rocket arm. I’d have to think that at least 1 college pitcher goes in the top 3 and even more convinced that somebody in the top 3 will also cut a deal. Should be interesting. I watched the game, didn't change my opinion of Kumar and his mediocre fastball command, I saw 3 of his starts and he fell off the mound in every single one of them(twice last night), very rough delivery...Another observation: Fabian is no center fielder, boy he looked bad over there!
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Post by unitspin on May 1, 2021 11:17:18 GMT -5
Just went back and looked at prior high end college arms taken at the top of the first rd, the numbers when compared to rocker and leiter, were not impressive, the one guy that might have had better numbers was Trevor Bauer. Even cole his numbers don't jump out at you or verlander. It just looks like ppl are nitpicking a little too much in regards to them. I have a hard time believing ppl would pass on an opportunity to get a Cole or Bauer with the 4th pick.
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Post by chr31ter on May 1, 2021 18:05:39 GMT -5
So, uh... can't help but notice that Jack Leiter is giving up a lot of HRs lately.
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Post by tyler3 on May 1, 2021 18:36:49 GMT -5
Jud has been pretty on it last 2 weeks. Not for the fourth overall but 40th?
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Post by tyler3 on May 1, 2021 18:39:56 GMT -5
On that note,
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Post by tyler3 on May 1, 2021 18:41:22 GMT -5
Old Jack Leiter has really been touched up his last 3 games. Think the top is about to get shook up.
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Post by tyler3 on May 1, 2021 18:43:13 GMT -5
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Post by unitspin on May 1, 2021 19:40:24 GMT -5
Jud has been pretty on it last 2 weeks. Not for the fourth overall but 40th? Shhh....we want him in the second rd, he's awful still.
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Post by cdj on May 1, 2021 20:06:58 GMT -5
Leiter 1.04 Jud 2.04 LETSSSS GOOOOO
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Post by wOBA Fett on May 1, 2021 20:07:51 GMT -5
The SEC will do that. It's hard to be sub 1 in that league.
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Post by tyler3 on May 2, 2021 0:34:41 GMT -5
I don’t think Leiter is the presumptive number 1 anymore. Nobody has ever seen him go a full season in college and with his small frame that was the question going into this year. His velocity is down slightly, his command is wavering, and the last 3 games have suddenly put him behind Kumar statistically. I’m not saying he’s rubbish I’m just saying people at the top looking for warts are seeing this.
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Post by jimoh on May 2, 2021 6:33:30 GMT -5
Carlos Collazo @carlosacollazo
Numbers for the top two pitchers in the class after 11 starts:
Kumar Rocker — 1.70 ERA, 69 IP, 4 HR, 97 K, 19 BB
Jack Leiter — 1.96 ERA, 64.2 IP, 9 HR, 106 K, 29 BB
#MLBDraft
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Post by jimoh on May 2, 2021 6:42:49 GMT -5
Red Sox Stats @redsoxstats · Apr 30 Wish I could place a bet on "Will Louisville catcher Henry Davis be selected in the top 3 picks of the MLB draft - Yes."
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Post by unitspin on May 2, 2021 8:03:25 GMT -5
Carlos Collazo @carlosacollazo Numbers for the top two pitchers in the class after 11 starts: Kumar Rocker — 1.70 ERA, 69 IP, 4 HR, 97 K, 19 BB Jack Leiter — 1.96 ERA, 64.2 IP, 9 HR, 106 K, 29 BB #MLBDraft Good pitching lines and 4 of their last 5 games have been against ranked teams. Both have bright futures if they stay healthy.
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Post by tyler3 on May 2, 2021 17:24:35 GMT -5
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Post by wildsox on May 2, 2021 17:42:40 GMT -5
We should be very happy... We are going to have some really good options at 4
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Post by tyler3 on May 3, 2021 0:19:58 GMT -5
To be honest Henry Davis offers such safety combined with impressive ceiling. He hits over .400 with authority (exit velocity). He walks OVER twice as much as he strikes out (recognizes spin). He controls the running game with at least a 70 arm. And his athleticism assures many doubles and stolen bases (center fielder as a freshman). If it’s a bad fastball or hanging breaking ball he punishes it. If it’s a good breaking ball he walks. He’s to me Nick madrigal with a better eye, more power, and at a premium position. I hate to agree with Law and love to agree with Red Sox Stats but if he’s at 4 you take him. If he pushes himself 1-3 you take what’s left over. His floor to me is a .270 catcher with a high OBP, 15 dingers, 15 SB, a slew of doubles, and absolute control of the running game. His ceiling is a 20 20 catcher hitting .280 with a ton of walks, who controls the running game. With Leiter struggling and Mayer slugging I’m beginning to wonder if Leiter or Lawlar might become a real choice for us.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 3, 2021 10:08:05 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on May 3, 2021 12:04:51 GMT -5
To be honest Henry Davis offers such safety combined with impressive ceiling. He hits over .400 with authority (exit velocity). He walks OVER twice as much as he strikes out (recognizes spin). He controls the running game with at least a 70 arm. And his athleticism assures many doubles and stolen bases ( center fielder as a freshman). If it’s a bad fastball or hanging breaking ball he punishes it. If it’s a good breaking ball he walks. He’s to me Nick madrigal with a better eye, more power, and at a premium position. I hate to agree with Law and love to agree with Red Sox Stats but if he’s at 4 you take him. If he pushes himself 1-3 you take what’s left over. His floor to me is a .270 catcher with a high OBP, 15 dingers, 15 SB, a slew of doubles, and absolute control of the running game. His ceiling is a 20 20 catcher hitting .280 with a ton of walks, who controls the running game. With Leiter struggling and Mayer slugging I’m beginning to wonder if Leiter or Lawlar might become a real choice for us. Where are you getting "center fielder as a freshman"? Wasn't he a freshman catcher?
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Post by tyler3 on May 3, 2021 13:02:43 GMT -5
No your absolutely right. He came out of HS as a catcher outfielder but no centerfield freshman year. He got an immediate starting role but all catcher as far as I can tell. I was looking at McLain last night so maybe my IPA rattled mind confused the two. Good call.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 3, 2021 15:07:00 GMT -5
On Keith Law's podcast, he said he's starting to hear about preferences for teams in the top 7 and if he had to do a mock of the top 4 right now it would go:
1. Leiter 2. Lawlar 3. Rocker 4. Davis
He also had Davis on his podcast - nothing groundbreaking in the interview, but good insight into Davis' hitting approach.
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Post by tyler3 on May 3, 2021 17:51:38 GMT -5
To be honest Henry Davis offers such safety combined with impressive ceiling. He hits over .400 with authority (exit velocity). He walks OVER twice as much as he strikes out (recognizes spin). He controls the running game with at least a 70 arm. And his athleticism assures many doubles and stolen bases ( center fielder as a freshman). If it’s a bad fastball or hanging breaking ball he punishes it. If it’s a good breaking ball he walks. He’s to me Nick madrigal with a better eye, more power, and at a premium position. I hate to agree with Law and love to agree with Red Sox Stats but if he’s at 4 you take him. If he pushes himself 1-3 you take what’s left over. His floor to me is a .270 catcher with a high OBP, 15 dingers, 15 SB, a slew of doubles, and absolute control of the running game. His ceiling is a 20 20 catcher hitting .280 with a ton of walks, who controls the running game. With Leiter struggling and Mayer slugging I’m beginning to wonder if Leiter or Lawlar might become a real choice for us. Where are you getting "center fielder as a freshman"? Wasn't he a freshman catcher? That’s my bad, I was reading a an article comparing Dillon Dingler to Davis. Thanks for the catch.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on May 3, 2021 18:06:48 GMT -5
Another reason to choose Henry Davis if he is available -- I didn't realize it until just now, but Vazquez is now the elder statesman of the team in terms of service time on the 40-man roster. I guess he COULD end up being a poor man's Ivan Rodriguez, but if he follows the usual glide path for catchers, it would be nice to have a top-notch receiver in the wings a few years from now.
Yeah, yeah, I know, don't draft for need, take the BPA. Well, this is one case where usefulness and BPA might not be far from coinciding.
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