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2021 MLB Draft
jimoh
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Post by jimoh on May 3, 2021 20:18:21 GMT -5
Another reason to draft Kumar Rocker is that he has a cool name. I know, don’t draft for cool names, draft BPA. But this might be one time where the cool name and the BPA might not be far from coinciding. .
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Post by sarasoxer on May 3, 2021 20:31:44 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on May 3, 2021 20:52:13 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round. And with their 2nd round pick in the 2021 draft, the Boston Red Sox select ..... Abe Alvarez.
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Post by threeifbaerga on May 3, 2021 21:15:09 GMT -5
Another reason to draft Kumar Rocker is that he has a cool name. I know, don’t draft for cool names, draft BPA. But this might be one time where the cool name and the BPA might not be far from coinciding. .
Even if they don't pan out I wanna root for a guy with a name like Rock Shoulders.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 3, 2021 21:36:24 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round. I am even more against taking a catcher than I am pitcher.
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Post by soxinsf on May 3, 2021 22:27:32 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round. I am even more against taking a catcher than I am pitcher. A hard hitting, defensively strong catcher is a beautiful thing. Unless there is a dead cert All Star available at no. 4, I am all in on Davis. The Sox are the team of Fisk, Tek and Vasquez. Why not get another to join in that line?
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Post by tyler3 on May 3, 2021 22:30:04 GMT -5
I don’t mind the catcher this year as he has a plus hit tool and a plus eye. But Lawlar, Mayer, and House are still my guys.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 4, 2021 3:31:53 GMT -5
I am even more against taking a catcher than I am pitcher. A hard hitting, defensively strong catcher is a beautiful thing. Unless there is a dead cert All Star available at no. 4, I am all in on Davis. The Sox are the team of Fisk, Tek and Vasquez. Why not get another to join in that line? Because Vasquez cost a......10th round pick. That’s right. And Joey Bart has worked great. And they have no high upside catchers. Oh wait they have 2. ( Wong and Hernandez). If Davis can be moved off catcher and has higher hit tool than the 3 shortstops ok. But yuck. Just yuck. Crap grab Leiter if your going to do this
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Post by ematz1423 on May 4, 2021 5:50:53 GMT -5
A hard hitting, defensively strong catcher is a beautiful thing. Unless there is a dead cert All Star available at no. 4, I am all in on Davis. The Sox are the team of Fisk, Tek and Vasquez. Why not get another to join in that line? Because Vasquez cost a......10th round pick. That’s right. And Joey Bart has worked great. And they have no high upside catchers. Oh wait they have 2. ( Wong and Hernandez). If Davis can be moved off catcher and has higher hit tool than the 3 shortstops ok. But yuck. Just yuck. Crap grab Leiter if your going to do this I'm not saying I'm for or against Davis but Why are you crapping on Joey Bart when he's a consensus top 50 prospect? He'd be the sox best prospect if he was in their farm. He was drafted in 2018 and has only had one full year in the minors in 2019.
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Post by unitspin on May 4, 2021 6:02:04 GMT -5
I'm not really understanding the love on here for Davis. He has a high hit tool but his power is not impressive. He has a gun for an arm but might not even stick at catcher. He is a first round talent but top 5, no thanks I'll pass.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 4, 2021 6:26:29 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round. And with their 2nd round pick in the 2021 draft, the Boston Red Sox select ..... Abe Alvarez. Ha,ha,ha!! I remember Abe and saw him pitch in Portland, Maine. Of course that was a different era for velocities, but when drafted, reports were that he threw 92....pretty good back then for a lefty. When I saw him in person, he was 82-85...Fire that scout.😬😊
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Post by dyoungteach on May 4, 2021 6:49:32 GMT -5
Take any of 4 position players...Lawlar, Mayer, Davis, House....Go high velocity pitcher second round. And with their 2nd round pick in the 2021 draft, the Boston Red Sox select ..... Abe Alvarez. Abe Alvarez wasn’t high velocity. Ild add high upside over slot high school pitcher in 2nd round whomever that is. With 2nd round pick Red Sox select..... John Lester
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Post by dyoungteach on May 4, 2021 6:55:10 GMT -5
Because Vasquez cost a......10th round pick. That’s right. And Joey Bart has worked great. And they have no high upside catchers. Oh wait they have 2. ( Wong and Hernandez). If Davis can be moved off catcher and has higher hit tool than the 3 shortstops ok. But yuck. Just yuck. Crap grab Leiter if your going to do this I'm not saying I'm for or against Davis but Why are you crapping on Joey Bart when he's a consensus top 50 prospect? He'd be the sox best prospect if he was in their farm. He was drafted in 2018 and has only had one full year in the minors in 2019. Very simple: Next picks ... Alex bohm, nick madrigal, Jonathan India, JARRED KELENIC, Ryan weathers, Jordan Groshans, Nolan Gorman. Not one of those would I rather not have before Joey Bart. ( after weathers there was some junk for sure, but especially bohm or kelenic and soon to be Groshans and Gorman are way better than Bart)
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mobaz
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Post by mobaz on May 4, 2021 8:11:53 GMT -5
Another reason to draft Kumar Rocker is that he has a cool name. I know, don’t draft for cool names, draft BPA. But this might be one time where the cool name and the BPA might not be far from coinciding. . Hot Take: How many hall of famers DON'T have a cool name? It's not a lot. Mike Trout is gonna do a lot of heavy lifting for the bad name crew in career WAR. Mookie Betts has definitely fulfilled the complete potential of his cool name. Please note that this is why I was absolutely sure Matt Murton was going to be a star; it had the type of ring and alliteration of Barry Bonds and Mickey Mantle. Oops. But Garin Cecchini, Will Middlebrooks, I completely see why these guys didn't make it. And I fully believe the difficulty in spelling Buchholz held him down to an "every other year" great pitcher. (end stupid rant)
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Post by stevedillard on May 4, 2021 8:23:00 GMT -5
I remember Abe and saw him pitch in Portland, Maine. Of course that was a different era for velocities, but when drafted, reports were that he threw 92....pretty good back then for a lefty. When I saw him in person, he was 82-85...Fire that scout.😬😊 The poster child for that was Theo's first big bonus baby: www.soxprospects.com/players/rozier-michael.htm
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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2021 8:30:13 GMT -5
I'm not saying I'm for or against Davis but Why are you crapping on Joey Bart when he's a consensus top 50 prospect? He'd be the sox best prospect if he was in their farm. He was drafted in 2018 and has only had one full year in the minors in 2019. Very simple: Next picks ... Alex bohm, nick madrigal, Jonathan India, JARRED KELENIC, Ryan weathers, Jordan Groshans, Nolan Gorman. Not one of those would I rather not have before Joey Bart. ( after weathers there was some junk for sure, but especially bohm or kelenic and soon to be Groshans and Gorman are way better than Bart) BA Preseason rankings: 4. Kelenic 34. Groshans 40. Madrigal 41. Bart 54. Gorman 84. Weathers Unranked. Jonathan India And BA was also lower on Bart than MILB and BPro were. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by tyler3 on May 4, 2021 9:00:36 GMT -5
Well I believe we have Henry Davis vs. Vanderbilt the next few days, so that should be fun. We’ll see if Leiter struggles for his fourth game in a row. I was listening to the prospectslive weekly podcast and the guys are getting a little concerned about Leiter. Essentially his secondaries aren’t really coming around. He’s having trouble landing his slider, his curve hasn’t been that great and the change almost nonexistent. He had an elite fastball and was dominating with it but now he’s sitting 91 to 94 instead of 93 to 96 and missing his spots (bunch if dingers as a result). It’ll be a fun series to monitor.
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Post by dyoungteach on May 4, 2021 9:34:54 GMT -5
Very simple: Next picks ... Alex bohm, nick madrigal, Jonathan India, JARRED KELENIC, Ryan weathers, Jordan Groshans, Nolan Gorman. Not one of those would I rather not have before Joey Bart. ( after weathers there was some junk for sure, but especially bohm or kelenic and soon to be Groshans and Gorman are way better than Bart) BA Preseason rankings: 4. Kelenic 34. Groshans 40. Madrigal 41. Bart 54. Gorman 84. Weathers Unranked. Jonathan India And BA was also lower on Bart than MILB and BPro were. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thank you for verifying what I’m saying. Bohm and kelenic and madrigal are better prospects. Bart is a close to majors prospect ( always rated higher by mlb and baseball America and fangraphs). I’ve heard Groshans as a possible top 10 prospect by end of this year. Gorman with a year more to develop could pass Bart also and weathers is up as a starter now. Regardless - I really am focused on bohm. Madrigal and kelenic. Given the chance at any of those 3 I much rather would have them or mize ( Leiter).
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Post by incandenza on May 4, 2021 12:52:51 GMT -5
Another reason to draft Kumar Rocker is that he has a cool name. I know, don’t draft for cool names, draft BPA. But this might be one time where the cool name and the BPA might not be far from coinciding. . Hot Take: How many hall of famers DON'T have a cool name? It's not a lot. Mike Trout is gonna do a lot of heavy lifting for the bad name crew in career WAR. Mookie Betts has definitely fulfilled the complete potential of his cool name. Please note that this is why I was absolutely sure Matt Murton was going to be a star; it had the type of ring and alliteration of Barry Bonds and Mickey Mantle. Oops. But Garin Cecchini, Will Middlebrooks, I completely see why these guys didn't make it. And I fully believe the difficulty in spelling Buchholz held him down to an "every other year" great pitcher. (end stupid rant) I believe I once calculated that having a cool name was worth about 10 career WAR for HOF-voting purposes. So this is all spot on, except that I think Mike Trout is a more fun name than you give it credit for: 1) Two syllables, quick and to the point; 2) It's a fish. Mookie Betts runs circles around him, name-wise, though. Not that either of em will need the help...
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Post by kingstephanos on May 4, 2021 17:11:31 GMT -5
I'm not really understanding the love on here for Davis. He has a high hit tool but his power is not impressive. He has a gun for an arm but might not even stick at catcher. He is a first round talent but top 5, no thanks I'll pass. With all due respect, Unit, we who like Davis have plenty reason to be excited about his potential - which could definitely be wrong. And while I don't always agree with Keith Law's views, I'm not upset that prospect evaluaters like him (ie Eric L. @ Fangraphs, those at Prospects Live etc.) think "Hank" Davis is a top 4 pick - and deservedly so - for the 2021 MLB Draft.
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Post by tyler3 on May 4, 2021 17:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by PedroKsBambino on May 4, 2021 18:25:46 GMT -5
First time I've seen video of Davis. His swing reminds me of Mark McGwire. Anyone else see the same thing?
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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2021 18:27:08 GMT -5
First time I've seen video of Davis. His swing reminds me of Mark McGwire. Anyone else see the same thing? Yeah that's definitely the McGwire follow-through, good call.
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Post by hairps on May 5, 2021 6:07:25 GMT -5
We covered Davis in this morning's episode. Buried the lede a bit IMO, so I've highlighted it in the transcript of our blurb on him below: Today’s third and final number is .524, the ACC-leading weighted on-base average of Louisville catcher Henry Davis. MLB Pipeline’s #7 overall draft prospect gave that number an upward nudge yesterday with a homer and a single in four at-bats against Vanderbilt, contributing to a midweek win for the Cardinals over one of the best teams in college baseball. It’s Davis’s combination of offensive and defensive prowess that makes him so valuable, drawing imprecise but inevitable comparisons with Will Smith, the Dodgers catcher who was drafted in the first round from Louisville five years ago. Unlike many college backstops, the Cardinal standout is likely to stick behind the plate. The College Splits defensive metric rates Davis as one of the top 20 Division One catchers this year—he has not only thrown out almost half of would-be base stealers, opposing baserunners are less likely than average to test his arm. Most remarkably of all, he has stolen almost as many bases himself as he has allowed, swiping 10 in 12 tries. Louisville is 15th in d1baseball.com’s latest rankings, so they’ll be a factor in the postseason, where pro scouts will be paying very close attention to the man behind the plate.The Opener, Episode 32
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Post by tyler3 on May 5, 2021 11:27:13 GMT -5
The top is getting kinda interesting and the latest mlb podcast as Red Sox stats noted says that there is a chance Leiter and Rocker fall out of the top 4. I don’t know what the next Mock will be but the podcast talked about, for now, the Pirates might run for Lawlar with the first pick. If that happens then you have the Rangers who are (I believe I heard) pretty conservative. I think that would be the ideal we’re gonna cut a deal with Davis spot. After that you have Detroit....what do you do if your Detroit? Casey Mize ain’t doing that great right now but it’s early for him. I just see a scenario where the first 3 are Lawlar, Davis, Mayer....at which point we gave to kinda either go with Leiter or Rocker at slot or above (and Leiter can always go back to school, as a draft eligible sophomore) or do something like House underslot (Jobe if you want go crazy but anyways).
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