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Post by Addam603 on Jun 24, 2020 8:01:12 GMT -5
The Red Sox have until Sunday to put together their list of players that will make up their 60 man roster pool and I think the minor league aspect of it could be really interesting. Obviously you’ll have the 40 man roster and the rest of the 20 will mostly be your NRIs and AAAA players (probably a good number of pitchers), but I’d make the argument for putting some lower level minors players there too. I’m thinking guys like Casas and Groome and maybe some of the projected Greenville arms. If you really want to go crazy about it, put Gilberto there (but I don’t think anything that drastic will happen). But guys like Casas and Groome especially will gain a lot from a more structured system there than what they’d be doing with the rest of the minor leaguers. I wouldn’t take up too much space on the 60 man pool, but take 5ish spots and give them to prospects that might not get the playing time but will get the experience and structured reps.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2020 9:47:51 GMT -5
Not obvious you'll have the 40-man roster. They don't all have to be invited.
I think they still might, but it depends on what is going on for player dev for everyone else. Yoan Aybar is the one player I have in mind here, as there's no chance he plays in the majors this season, and I could see them wanting to use that spot for someone closer to helping the big club.
With 60 spots though, they very well could use 5-10 on top prospects who aren't close to MLB. Back when it was 50 being talked about, I would've had a harder time seeing Aybar there.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 24, 2020 11:16:21 GMT -5
You could approach this a bunch of different ways and it will be very interesting to see what they do.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 24, 2020 12:24:48 GMT -5
The Mariners indicated they'll include top prospects in the 30 player taxi squad...I'd expect a lot of teams to do this.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 24, 2020 12:27:32 GMT -5
Tigers and Reds have also said they will be bringing prospects, Tampa apparently indicated they would be bringing mostly depth. I would assume these differences are probably like 5 prospects and everyone still brings their best.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 24, 2020 17:20:41 GMT -5
The Mariners indicated they'll include top prospects in the 30 player taxi squad...I'd expect a lot of teams to do this. Yeah, I suggested this idea when the taxi squad news first came out. With no minor leagues it makes sense to get your most important prospects in a more structured development system.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 24, 2020 19:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by agastonguay13 on Jun 25, 2020 9:25:21 GMT -5
I definitely see what a team's taxi squad consists of as a marker for whether or not they intend to compete. If half of those guys are developmental pieces, you're not expecting that team to contend. I'd prefer to see the Red Sox go that route. I'm 1000% ok with them punting this season, using it as an opportunity to continue the development of guys like Groome, Casas, Ward, etc... while also soft tanking the schedule to secure a higher pick in next season's draft and paring off pieces at the Aug. 31 trade deadline to bring in more young talent. Players like Bradley, Workman, Pillar on expiring contracts have a real shot to 1) play over their head for the first month against uneven competition and 2) become appealing trade targets for teams that had no preconceived notions of contention this season but find themselves in the mix for a playoff spot. Those teams could very well view this as their best chance for a while to win it all and overpay for pieces at the deadline, especially pieces with success in the playoffs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 25, 2020 10:08:30 GMT -5
I definitely see what a team's taxi squad consists of as a marker for whether or not they intend to compete. If half of those guys are developmental pieces, you're not expecting that team to contend. I'd prefer to see the Red Sox go that route. I'm 1000% ok with them punting this season, using it as an opportunity to continue the development of guys like Groome, Casas, Ward, etc... while also soft tanking the schedule to secure a higher pick in next season's draft and paring off pieces at the Aug. 31 trade deadline to bring in more young talent. Players like Bradley, Workman, Pillar on expiring contracts have a real shot to 1) play over their head for the first month against uneven competition and 2) become appealing trade targets for teams that had no preconceived notions of contention this season but find themselves in the mix for a playoff spot. Those teams could very well view this as their best chance for a while to win it all and overpay for pieces at the deadline, especially pieces with success in the playoffs. I don't want that! This team has enough talent that you have to at least see how they play. It's 60 games, heck through the world series is around 80 games. Anything can happen in limited games. Our lack of starting pitching could be masked in that amount of games. Let's see what happens. I want to dream that ERod and Eovaldi can go on a hot streak, which isn't crazy. That Perez can be solid and the bullpen can be very good in limited games. I'd write this team off in a normal year, yet this isn't a normal year. So the idea of punting the season before it starts seems kinda crazy. You can bring some top prospects that likely won't play, yet I just don't get bringing all prospects that likely can't play. Players get injured or sick, do you want to be forced to play those guys that aren't ready?
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Post by agastonguay13 on Jun 25, 2020 11:37:48 GMT -5
When I say a "soft tank", that's essentially what I mean. You can play the first month and see how things go, but I don't have faith that their issues will be masked by a short season, so I'd hedge my bets, bring a decent amount of top prospects to the 60 man roster, and have a plan in place to maximize my ability to capitalize on other teams' desperate situations.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 25, 2020 12:24:06 GMT -5
I don't think any team is planning to bring more than a handful of guys into their 60-man pool who they don't have there as MLB depth. Teams are going to need a lot of guys. Never mind the potential for COVID infections, they only have 3 weeks to ramp up. Players are going to go on IL. They're going to use the taxi squad, and they need to have enough players on the taxi squad to fill the roster.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jun 26, 2020 6:18:10 GMT -5
I'd expect the entire 40 man roster plus Johnson and Lucroy to be locks. I'd also guess that the Red Sox will bring some players like Mata Furtman Duran and Dalbec ready to go just in case. Also I wouldn't be shocked if Groome and Casas came too. The last 15 or so players in the pool will be very interesting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 10:48:29 GMT -5
Here's the site's present projection: soxprospects.com/2020.htmWe'll probably continue to tweak as Sunday approaches, particularly if any news comes out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2020 10:56:32 GMT -5
A couple of great catches from Ian on the new roster rules:
It looks like MLB wants these 60-man pools to more-or-less be the full list of guys a team is going to use this year, imo. I don't think we're going to see much fluidity.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 27, 2020 10:08:37 GMT -5
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Post by davebangkok on Jun 27, 2020 12:52:33 GMT -5
Could the Red Sox include Rusney Castillo on their 60 man roster? His $11 million salary is up this year, add him to the 40 man roster the last week of the season. He does not have enough major league service time, would this give the Sox his rights next year for 2021, but at the minimum major league salary as a 4th outfielder instead or to trade to others?
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Post by swingingbunt on Jun 27, 2020 13:14:09 GMT -5
Could the Red Sox include Rusney Castillo on their 60 man roster? His $11 million salary is up this year, add him to the 40 man roster the last week of the season. He does not have enough major league service time, would this give the Sox his rights next year for 2021, but at the minimum major league salary as a 4th outfielder instead or to trade to others? There is a rule that when you renew a contract, you cannot reduce it by more than 20%, so Rusney would still be on the hook for about 10 million next year. It's discussed on page 13-14 of the CBA.
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Post by agastonguay13 on Jun 27, 2020 16:57:07 GMT -5
In any case, 60 is a big number. Yes, there will be injuries and Covid, but I could definitely see most teams bringing 5-10(?) guys onto the roster who would be trade fodder should they find themselves in contention and needing to go get a piece or two. Especially now with the revelation that trades need to take place entirely from the 60 man roster. Some of that group will surely overlap with the list of high minors guys the team may call up if needed, but you just might be able to twist a team's arm into overpaying for a piece. That's what I hope anyway.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 28, 2020 13:42:07 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 28, 2020 15:45:32 GMT -5
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Post by caseytins on Jun 28, 2020 16:19:53 GMT -5
I'm surprised by the pitcher decisions. I don't know why Mata and Houck would be left off, for instance...
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Post by nonothing on Jun 28, 2020 16:25:00 GMT -5
No Lucroy. No Pedey. No Sale.
No Downs or Duran.
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Post by caseytins on Jun 28, 2020 16:34:17 GMT -5
No Lucroy. No Pedey. No Sale. No Downs or Duran. Sale and Pedey are for obvious reasons. No Casas, etc..
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Post by caseytins on Jun 28, 2020 16:35:19 GMT -5
Nevermind. They have 13 spots left...
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 28, 2020 17:17:04 GMT -5
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