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8/10-8/13 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Aug 13, 2020 12:29:34 GMT -5
Feels like Lin will be a goner sooner rather than later with Arauz getting another start today.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 13, 2020 12:29:49 GMT -5
What a great sweep this would be. Helps us stay towards the bottom and puts some pressure on NY for the division.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2020 13:16:15 GMT -5
Just noticed this, but Kyle Hart's pro debut was four years ago today in the GCL. Nice symmetry there.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2020 13:17:03 GMT -5
Feels like Lin will be a goner sooner rather than later with Arauz getting another start today. Not sure I agree necessarily. He brings OF versatility that Arauz doesn't, yet at least, and in theory can man the bench in MLB next year while Arauz is in finishing school in AAA or AA.
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Post by ephus on Aug 13, 2020 13:31:45 GMT -5
Standing O for Kyle Hart getting The Call. The kid has worked hard. I hope he makes the most of getting his chance.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 13, 2020 13:45:56 GMT -5
Do you notice you have an issue with every option? These signings were your idea, not mine. Every pitcher who isn't an Ace is up and down. You really have the idea of Stroman on a one year deal? Helps you go for it, if it doesn't work out you trade him. Like I said I'm not going after Springer unless it's a horrible market and his deal is small. Yet what two huge seasons? He's been over 5 bwar in three of the last four years. His best year was 2019. You make him sound like Harper, yet he's been much more consistent. The guys worst year with his bat is an OPS+ of 114. If the market is so bad that he takes a 3-4 year deal with an opt out I'd be highly interested. I'll gladly pay for his age 31-34 seasons. I do find the age thing funny when he's only a few years older than Betts. It's our GMs background and what the owner wants. We've seen this now three times under our owner. It's always quick retools not full on rebuilds and given the pieces we have it makes sense. As Chris pointed out the roster isn't playing up to it's true talent right now. It hasn't been many games, it happens in Baseball it's why the season is 162 games, not 60 in normal years. I feel fairly confident they go short term contracts this off-season. Make some creative trades and look towards the 2021 free agent class to spend big if things don't work out in 2021. Yet depending how the market is this year that could change. I'm sure they'll jump at value if it's there. I just don't expect long-term deals. Overall, my point is, too be clear, I want the plan to be a 2-3 year one, not a we-can-do-it next year one. I don’t think they dan do it next year, and I think going all in (my scenario of a big free agent splurge) is as likely to be a setback as a way to being real contenders next year. I mean, look, their current pitching staff has not as single guy in a slot he belongs in. Their 1/2 should 4/5. Their closer (lost, apparently?) is relatively untested. And after that, it is basically all AAAA guys. We can say, well, they’ll have ERod and Sale back up front next year, but we don’t know that. And, truthfully, post-TJ sale, ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, and someone still doesn’t inspire me. Considering how you reject every argument about how the team can be good in 2021, I'd actually like to hear your plan for how they can be good in 2022 or 2023. The problem, it seems to me, is that they aren't set up to be any better in those years than in 2021. It's not like they have any stars in the waiting in the high minors. And then guys like Sale and E. Rodriguez will only be getting older, and in fact Xander is likely to be a free agent after opting out post-2022. Given your position that every big-dollar free agent signing is likely to end up like the Panda/Hanley fiasco, I assume you won't want to re-sign Xander. So how does the team get better in '22/'23?
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Post by manfred on Aug 13, 2020 14:22:11 GMT -5
Overall, my point is, too be clear, I want the plan to be a 2-3 year one, not a we-can-do-it next year one. I don’t think they dan do it next year, and I think going all in (my scenario of a big free agent splurge) is as likely to be a setback as a way to being real contenders next year. I mean, look, their current pitching staff has not as single guy in a slot he belongs in. Their 1/2 should 4/5. Their closer (lost, apparently?) is relatively untested. And after that, it is basically all AAAA guys. We can say, well, they’ll have ERod and Sale back up front next year, but we don’t know that. And, truthfully, post-TJ sale, ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, and someone still doesn’t inspire me. Considering how you reject every argument about how the team can be good in 2021, I'd actually like to hear your plan for how they can be good in 2022 or 2023. The problem, it seems to me, is that they aren't set up to be any better in those years than in 2021. It's not like they have any stars in the waiting in the high minors. And then guys like Sale and E. Rodriguez will only be getting older, and in fact Xander is likely to be a free agent after opting out post-2022. Given your position that every big-dollar free agent signing is likely to end up like the Panda/Hanley fiasco, I assume you won't want to re-sign Xander. So how does the team get better in '22/'23? Good question. Obviously, if it were easy, teams would all be better. But let me take a few quick shots. A couple internal matters: a) a lot depends on Casas and maybe Downs. If those guys pan out, you have a much improved right side in a couple years. So let’s call that our 2022 right side. b) At the same time, I’ll not assume Mata or Groome is starting. They might be, but I don’t want to leap. c) I will assume SOMEONE of the Houck, Ward etc. group makes at least a good Hembree-ish reliever, though the great hope is a closer from our own system. I would (assuming there is a real market this year): a) trade JDM, Workman, Barnes, and for a premium only CVaz. I’d be willing to include Chavis, Dalbec, Benny and a number of other guys I haven’t named above to get back arms of any kind and a power-hitting outfielder. b) I’d focus on extending Devers, ERod, and X. c) I’d look to the 2022 free agent pitching class, which is massive, if old. If the lineup is decent.... which requires Verdugo, Casas, and Downs to be respectable... I invest in a couple warhorses to go with ERod and Sale. If not, I see what the system might yield in younger arms (especially if my trades this year have produced a starter ready in 2 years). If the top 10 in our system doesn’t yield a couple decent parts in the next 2-3 years, everything is going to be exceedingly difficult. Oh, and hope they get a possible elite starter this year in the draft. And maybe next year, too.
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 13, 2020 14:45:00 GMT -5
1. Alex Verdugo LF 2. Rafael Devers 3B 3. JD Martinez DH 4. Mitch Moreland 1B 5. Kevin Pillar RF 6. Kevin Plawecki C 7. Jonathan Arauz 2B 8. Jackie Bradley Jr CF 9. Jose Peraza SS SP. Kyle Hart
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2020 14:46:57 GMT -5
Just noticed this, but Kyle Hart's pro debut was four years ago today in the GCL. Nice symmetry there. Was it also on National Lefthanders Day ? Ian Browne @ianmbrowne · 2h Robert Stock has been sent down to make room for Kyle Hart.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 13, 2020 14:52:07 GMT -5
Positive developments the past few days. Arauz, Weber, Hart. Sox Prospects.
That will tamp down the sour mood.
Sure to be more positive events in the next week. Deal with it.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 13, 2020 15:00:56 GMT -5
Just noticed this, but Kyle Hart's pro debut was four years ago today in the GCL. Nice symmetry there. Just saw the interview of him (from yesterday maybe). He seems like a really easy guy to root for. Confident, but humble. He explained his thought going in to the start is that he has to earn another start on the mound this afternoon. Obviously every Sox fan and particularly people on this message board are rooting hard for him to do just that. Early start today. Set your DVR if you can’t watch it live.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 13, 2020 15:32:45 GMT -5
I’m am so rooting for Hart
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 13, 2020 15:38:12 GMT -5
Groundhog Day?
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 13, 2020 15:40:59 GMT -5
Oh come on. Help the pitcher out.
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Post by dmaineah on Aug 13, 2020 15:41:14 GMT -5
How many players on Tampa do you think have faced Hart in the minors?
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 13, 2020 15:43:13 GMT -5
Tough luck there, made a good pitch just unlucky.
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Post by manfred on Aug 13, 2020 15:43:25 GMT -5
In just under an inning, I’ll go ahead and say Hart looks better than everyone but Eovaldi and Perez. Bad luck, bad fielding, and a nervous walk. But I like his stuff.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 13, 2020 15:47:53 GMT -5
He’s settling down after the first three batters. The second batter should have been out on a pretty routine grounder.
add. He pitched better than the 2 runs he gave up.
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Post by juanfatj on Aug 13, 2020 15:47:54 GMT -5
In just under an inning, I’ll go ahead and say Hart looks better than everyone but Eovaldi and Perez. Bad luck, bad fielding, and a nervous walk. But I like his stuff. Totally agree, much better than the soft serve we send out there most days.
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Post by manfred on Aug 13, 2020 15:49:13 GMT -5
These are the sort of fight’em off hits the Sox need. If we are hoping they win.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 13, 2020 15:56:21 GMT -5
Plawecki is pretty good
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 13, 2020 15:56:22 GMT -5
We’ve actually got the better starter in this game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 13, 2020 15:58:17 GMT -5
Who had Plawecki as leading the team in hitting ?
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 13, 2020 15:59:55 GMT -5
Plawecki and Arauz do nothing but hit. Plawecki is 8/15 on the season and Arauz is 7 for his last 10.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 13, 2020 16:30:56 GMT -5
good pitchability, not enough stuff?
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