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8/10-8/13 Red Sox vs. Rays Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 14, 2020 0:22:43 GMT -5
Wow, what a putrid team.
It took the 2012 Red Sox 162 games to finish 24 games under .500. This year's team might accomplish that in 60 games! At this point, what's there to look forward to? Hope they have the worst record in baseball and they don't get screwed out of drafting Kumar Rocker?
And they're losing with a terrible team on the way down with very little help from the farm system, which ranks in the bottom 3rd of MLB. Yeah, things could work out in 2021 if E-Rod is completely healthy and Chris Sale suddenly re-emerges as an ace and a bunch of other things fall into place, but it feels like a lot would have to break right for that to happen. I won't say that it won't, but it's looking like a 3 year rebuild. Well, with a strike on the horizon, that wouldn't be the worst thing I suppose.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 0:46:10 GMT -5
Quality catchers on team friendly contracts are maybe the rarest commodity in baseball. Even rarer if the Sox eat his 2020 wages. I think Clevinger and Plesac are doable and that would change the entire future picture. Devers is a rare talent. And if you are in rebuild you have another option than a team friendly MLB catcher - possibly a better preference is a prospect catcher with a pretty good ceiling. There are only 41 more games left. If you trade Vaz - and next year you are still in rebuild you don't need at star at the catcher spot. Plus our tax will be reset. Who are you giving up for Clevinger and Plesac? And your intent is to win in 2021 or to rebuild? I am not aboard the trade CVaz train, I was just commenting that his value is greater than posters are saying. On the other hand, I could live with losing him if we brought back both Plesac & Clevinger. I believe a trade for those two would likely involve more than just the Indians. It's more a case of finding teams that want our pieces and have pieces that would interest the Indians. I'd give up any combo of the following, all of which have decent present value. JDM plus 2020 $$ Moreland plus 2020 $$ (he also has a team $3m option which has value) Workman plus 2020 $$ Barnes plus 2020 $$ JBJ plus 2020 $$ Pillar plus 2020 $$ Chavis who I don't see a role for down the road. CVaz only if absolutely necessary. We could then fill out our tank roster with the likes of Ockimey, Dalbec, Duran, Marco Hernandez, Munoz, Lucroy and anybody that could reach the plate from the pitchers mound. I also have always (since the Mookie trade) targetted 2022 not 2021. With all the non billionaire owners losing millions, money is likely to be a huge trade chip. It likely only the sellers who will be interested in Plesac and Clevinger and few sellers have money to work with.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 2:21:08 GMT -5
Jay: How do you see the trade deadline playing out? Very few teams will be out of the playoff picture this year, but you know the billionaire owners won’t let their GMs spend any money.
Keith Law: Probably just encourages more deals where GMs trade players and pay most of their salaries to get prospects back. . . . Amy: Is it bad to just cheer for your team (redsox) to keep losing so they get a high draft pick? it honestly seems like the best thing they could get out of this year.
Keith Law: No, especially since they’re just not that good a team anyway.
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Post by soxjim on Aug 14, 2020 2:39:37 GMT -5
I am not aboard the trade CVaz train, I was just commenting that his value is greater than posters are saying. On the other hand, I could live with losing him if we brought back both Plesac & Clevinger. I believe a trade for those two would likely involve more than just the Indians. It's more a case of finding teams that want our pieces and have pieces that would interest the Indians. I'd give up any combo of the following, all of which have decent present value. JDM plus 2020 $$ Moreland plus 2020 $$ (he also has a team $3m option which has value) Workman plus 2020 $$ Barnes plus 2020 $$ JBJ plus 2020 $$ Pillar plus 2020 $$ Chavis who I don't see a role for down the road. CVaz only if absolutely necessary. We could then fill out our tank roster with the likes of Ockimey, Dalbec, Duran, Marco Hernandez, Munoz, Lucroy and anybody that could reach the plate from the pitchers mound. I also have always (since the Mookie trade) targetted 2022 not 2021. With all the non billionaire owners losing millions, money is likely to be a huge trade chip. It likely only the sellers who will be interested in Plesac and Clevinger and few sellers have money to work with. If I were the Indians I wouldn't trade Clevinger for Vaz straight up. I can't possibly know owners situations in taking cash so unless you find a desperate owner- other than Vaz -- all you're going to get back is "decent." All you're going to get back for a decent player and cash is a decent player in return which doesn't move the bar much. Sure with JDM you get an above average player on paper in return. But you won't get a star. More than likely owners aren't broke so the cash you throw at them will only move the needle a little --more than likely. As for Moreland - he's a platoon player. And JBJ just isn't that good to warrant getting anything other than at best "decent" back. Getting "decent" returns back isn't good enough. Chavis is okay. The relief pitchers are good but they are not dominant. You'll probably get more for Barnes than for Workman which is "pretty good" but that's it. "Decent" for a rotten team isn't enough. I don't believe the little money the Red Sox offer will provide much of a return as you suggest. They still are extremely rich. Further John Henry talked about keeping costs down. I can't see him giving up that much coin.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 14, 2020 2:43:32 GMT -5
I am not aboard the trade CVaz train, I was just commenting that his value is greater than posters are saying. On the other hand, I could live with losing him if we brought back both Plesac & Clevinger. I believe a trade for those two would likely involve more than just the Indians. It's more a case of finding teams that want our pieces and have pieces that would interest the Indians. I'd give up any combo of the following, all of which have decent present value. JDM plus 2020 $$ Moreland plus 2020 $$ (he also has a team $3m option which has value) Workman plus 2020 $$ Barnes plus 2020 $$ JBJ plus 2020 $$ Pillar plus 2020 $$ Chavis who I don't see a role for down the road. CVaz only if absolutely necessary. We could then fill out our tank roster with the likes of Ockimey, Dalbec, Duran, Marco Hernandez, Munoz, Lucroy and anybody that could reach the plate from the pitchers mound. I also have always (since the Mookie trade) targetted 2022 not 2021. With all the non billionaire owners losing millions, money is likely to be a huge trade chip. It likely only the sellers who will be interested in Plesac and Clevinger and few sellers have money to work with. If I were the Indians I wouldn't trade Clevinger for Vaz straight up. I can't possibly know owners situations in taking cash so unless you find a desperate owner- other than Vaz -- all you're going to get back is "decent." All you're going to get back for a decent player and cash is a decent player in return which doesn't move the bar much. Sure with JDM you get an above average player on paper in return. But you on't get a star. More than likely owners aren't broke so the cash you throw at them will only move the needle a little --more than likely. As for Moreland - he's a platoon player. And JBJ just isn't that good to warrant getting anything other than at best "decent" back. Getting "decent" returns back isn't good enough. Chavis is okay. The relief pitchers are good but they are not dominant. You'll probably get more for Barnes than for Workman which is "pretty good" but that's it. "Decent" for a rotten team isn't enough. I don't believe the little money the Red Sox offer will provide much of a return as you suggest. They still are extremely rich. Further John Henry talked about keeping costs down. I can't see him giving up that much coin. I suppose we will know the answers over the next two weeks. If nothing else, it will provide something to be interested in for a change.
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Post by rminns10 on Aug 14, 2020 5:47:22 GMT -5
In my opinion Xander and Devers are the only untouchables, everyone else see what you can get
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 14, 2020 6:17:45 GMT -5
It appears as though we are not going anywhere this season. So, when do they try Duran, Houck, Mata, and Dalbec . Also look at Downs and Wong. Does not appear as though these guys could do any worse. See what they got. Houck and Mata certainly could have pitched the last couple of innings last night. It certainly was not a high leverage situation. Kennedy said yesterday that everyone is available. But, I think XB, Devers, CV and Verdugo are all safe. Everyone else I think is up for grabs. Even bene. I definitely agree that this has got to be the worst collection of pitchers I have seen on the sox in almost forever. Looks like a major rebuild. Need pitching. Now is the time for Bannister and Bloom to show their stuff and find some people.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 14, 2020 6:38:30 GMT -5
Devers is a rare talent. And if you are in rebuild you have another option than a team friendly MLB catcher - possibly a better preference is a prospect catcher with a pretty good ceiling. There are only 41 more games left. If you trade Vaz - and next year you are still in rebuild you don't need at star at the catcher spot. Plus our tax will be reset. Who are you giving up for Clevinger and Plesac? And your intent is to win in 2021 or to rebuild? I am not aboard the trade CVaz train, I was just commenting that his value is greater than posters are saying. On the other hand, I could live with losing him if we brought back both Plesac & Clevinger. I believe a trade for those two would likely involve more than just the Indians. It's more a case of finding teams that want our pieces and have pieces that would interest the Indians. I'd give up any combo of the following, all of which have decent present value. JDM plus 2020 $$ Moreland plus 2020 $$ (he also has a team $3m option which has value) Workman plus 2020 $$ Barnes plus 2020 $$ JBJ plus 2020 $$ Pillar plus 2020 $$ Chavis who I don't see a role for down the road. CVaz only if absolutely necessary. We could then fill out our tank roster with the likes of Ockimey, Dalbec, Duran, Marco Hernandez, Munoz, Lucroy and anybody that could reach the plate from the pitchers mound. I also have always (since the Mookie trade) targetted 2022 not 2021. With all the non billionaire owners losing millions, money is likely to be a huge trade chip. It likely only the sellers who will be interested in Plesac and Clevinger and few sellers have money to work with. No chance the Indians trade either. Those aren't the type of moves that the Indians organization generally makes. The Sox likely trade partners if you look at organizational strengths are the Dodgers, Padres, Angels, MFY, Rays and Marlins if they believe that this start is real. You also have teams like the A's and Brewers that will probably make offers for Workman and Barnes.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 14, 2020 9:14:13 GMT -5
Well, I guess you could look at this season this way. Upper management got its way. It has accomplished its goals of getting under the luxury tax (assuming the season gets to 9/1) and they don't have to worry about offering/giving Trout like money to Mookie Betts, who by the way smacked 3 homers yesterday (why would the Sox want to pay Trout like money to a guy like that??!!), and as a bonus got out of the Price contract.
So I guess you can say it was a successful season for John Henry.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2020 12:08:41 GMT -5
That makes no sense. Where's our Carl Crawford ? That type trade is exactly what we don't need. Well... this team stinks worse than that team. And there is no clear way forward... or, in the case of Crawford, not even an obvious albatross. So we are not like that team... as I wrote. But I do dream (just a dream) of a big trade that turns the ship quickly. I don’t think that is complicated. We already made the cost savings trade and got much more back. The main difference in the 2012 and 2020 teams? We lost Sale to TJ, ERod to Covid, the other guy we signed for the 5th spot opted out. Then you have Hernandez and Taylor yet to pitch because of Covid. Hence you currently don't see the true talent of this team. Heck even with a bunch of guys struggling the offense hasn't been horrible. Remember Lackey had TJ and came back to help us win a Championship.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 14, 2020 12:17:20 GMT -5
I don't think you can assume McHugh would've started when he returned. I think it was a speculative play, but while I assumed the same thing at first, most of the reporting and quotes were that they didn't know what his role would be when he finished his rehab.
Look, they came into the season thinking they had a Sale-ERod-Eovaldi-Perez-Weber/whoever rotation. Trying to piece together one spot in the rotation is fair enough. You throw the spaghetti and see what sticks. The problem became when they needed to do that with THREE spots in the rotation without two of their best relievers.
Honestly, I kind of get a 96-97 Spurs vibe from this team, when they lost David Robinson for the year and didn't have Sean Elliott for half of it, so they just suffered through the 20-62 season, fired their coach and hired Popovich, and lucked out in the lottery that offseason. I don't think this was a bad team as assembled. They just got destroyed by a lack of depth when injuries hit. Bloom's task will be to make this a 97 Spurs recovery and not a disaster long-term.
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Post by manfred on Aug 14, 2020 12:18:08 GMT -5
Well... this team stinks worse than that team. And there is no clear way forward... or, in the case of Crawford, not even an obvious albatross. So we are not like that team... as I wrote. But I do dream (just a dream) of a big trade that turns the ship quickly. I don’t think that is complicated. We already made the cost savings trade and got much more back. The main difference in the 2012 and 2020 teams? We lost Sale to TJ, ERod to Covid, the other guy we signed for the 5th spot opted out. Then you have Hernandez and Taylor yet to pitch because of Covid. Hence you currently don't see the true talent of this team. Heck even with a bunch of guys struggling the offense hasn't been horrible. Remember Lackey had TJ and came back to help us win a Championship. Trading an aging Beckett, a disappointing Gonzalez, and a brutal Crawford was cost saving. Trading Betts was... other. But it remains to be seen that we got more back. At the time, Webster and De La Rosa looked like potentially a huge haul. Two guys with plus pitches... surely something comes of that! But... ooops. In this case, we’ll see. But a month into the first season after the two trades, I don’t think this one yielded more (by which I mean one month into 2013 I was still eager to see what those arms could do. I’m not quite as jazzed by this return). I don’t think Hernandez or especially Taylor are moving the dial much. I think Hernandez might be a stud reliever, and I have high hopes for him in years to come, but he has a good deal of developing to go. His control was brutal last year.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 14, 2020 12:39:02 GMT -5
So the big difference between 2021 and 2022 - the reason to completely tank on the '21 season - is that you're counting on Casas and Downs in '22, and maybe Houck will be as good as Hembree? And you, of the every-free-agent-is-HanleyPanda conviction, want to jump into the FA pitching market in a year where the only under-35 options will be Kershaw (34), Kikuchi (31), Cobb (34), Carlos Martinez (30), and a few other randos - and no guarantee that any of them won't sign extensions before then? I just don't get that at all. If you are convinced that this team can't be good in 2021 then I truly can't see how they'd be good in 2022. I think you'd have to hold out for 3-4 years at least before we'd have enough turnover to make the team good. And if that's the case, you should definitely want to trade Bogaerts, and maybe Devers. Well, I admit I don’t have great answers for the dumpster fire. But do you think the team playing tonight can compete next year. But you are not really summarizing my position. You leave out
a) what they’d get for dumping guys this season. b) a high draft pick this season c) potentially a high pick next year.As for the free agents, I’d be far happier getting Scherzer, Verlander, Greinke, or Lester than anything coming this off-season. Again, that is all risky. So maybe 2022/23 is a year or two too early. But if trades work, if they get a starter in the draft this year, and if they sign, say, Scherzer? Take even one small piece: Chris Sake will be on a short lwash next season, but the season after will, hopefully, be full strength. So, Sale, Scherzer, Erod, Eovaldi, and 5th? Could work. I just don't think these are consequential factors for the 2022 roster. I don't think you get much back for any of our assets. (I know philsbosoxfan is talking about trading for Clevinger/Plesac, but I think he must have gotten into some Philippine ganja to be thinking like that.) JDM maybe has some trade value, but it's not like he'd bring back like a top-20 in MLB prospect. And then you've given yourself a whole other problem of having to replace his bat in the lineup, when he could be one of the guys who contributes in 2022. A high draft pick this season and next does nothing to help in 2022. I mean, the draft isn't even until June 2021... Full-strength Sale for '22 is an advantage over '21. But still not that much of one - not nearly so much that it's worth tanking in 2021. If you feel like that Sale, Scherzer (as a 38yo), Erod, Eovaldi rotation is good enough to build around, then I don't see why Erod, Stroman/Bauer/Whatever, half a season of Sale, Perez, Eovaldi isn't.
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Post by manfred on Aug 14, 2020 12:56:03 GMT -5
Well, I admit I don’t have great answers for the dumpster fire. But do you think the team playing tonight can compete next year. But you are not really summarizing my position. You leave out
a) what they’d get for dumping guys this season. b) a high draft pick this season c) potentially a high pick next year.As for the free agents, I’d be far happier getting Scherzer, Verlander, Greinke, or Lester than anything coming this off-season. Again, that is all risky. So maybe 2022/23 is a year or two too early. But if trades work, if they get a starter in the draft this year, and if they sign, say, Scherzer? Take even one small piece: Chris Sake will be on a short lwash next season, but the season after will, hopefully, be full strength. So, Sale, Scherzer, Erod, Eovaldi, and 5th? Could work. I just don't think these are consequential factors for the 2022 roster. I don't think you get much back for any of our assets. (I know philsbosoxfan is talking about trading for Clevinger/Plesac, but I think he must have gotten into some Philippine ganja to be thinking like that.) JDM maybe has some trade value, but it's not like he'd bring back like a top-20 in MLB prospect. And then you've given yourself a whole other problem of having to replace his bat in the lineup, when he could be one of the guys who contributes in 2022. A high draft pick this season and next does nothing to help in 2022. I mean, the draft isn't even until June 2021... Full-strength Sale for '22 is an advantage over '21. But still not that much of one - not nearly so much that it's worth tanking in 2021. If you feel like that Sale, Scherzer (as a 38yo), Erod, Eovaldi rotation is good enough to build around, then I don't see why Erod, Stroman/Bauer/Whatever, half a season of Sale, Perez, Eovaldi isn't. I did say I don’t care if they go with Stroman and Bauer for one year. Whatever. I don’t see that happening. I am actually not advocating *tanking* next year. I am advocating not *building* for next year. So if they can get value for JDM and then sign Nelson Cruz or Justin Turner to a 1-year deal, great. Fine. I don’t think the difference will matter next year. If they can’t, well, the team almost literally can’t be worse. I get that people are collectively having terrible years, but that doesn’t mean some of it is not real. And, at many positions, they are actually either normal or better. CVaz is as good as he’ll be. Moreland is out of his mind. No one at 2B is underperforming. JBJ is as he is. Pillar is hitting over his career numbers. Verdugo is about what he’s been. Benny may actually not be very good. So when we say “people,” we really mean Devers and JDM. There is less room up than we’d hope. So I don’t think doing nothing is a good answer. And I don’t think they can sign their way to competitive this coming offseason. Now, I think the main question is do we think waiting to see what happens around a two-year older CVaz and JDM is good policy, or trade them at peak now?
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Post by incandenza on Aug 14, 2020 13:22:13 GMT -5
I just don't think these are consequential factors for the 2022 roster. I don't think you get much back for any of our assets. (I know philsbosoxfan is talking about trading for Clevinger/Plesac, but I think he must have gotten into some Philippine ganja to be thinking like that.) JDM maybe has some trade value, but it's not like he'd bring back like a top-20 in MLB prospect. And then you've given yourself a whole other problem of having to replace his bat in the lineup, when he could be one of the guys who contributes in 2022. A high draft pick this season and next does nothing to help in 2022. I mean, the draft isn't even until June 2021... Full-strength Sale for '22 is an advantage over '21. But still not that much of one - not nearly so much that it's worth tanking in 2021. If you feel like that Sale, Scherzer (as a 38yo), Erod, Eovaldi rotation is good enough to build around, then I don't see why Erod, Stroman/Bauer/Whatever, half a season of Sale, Perez, Eovaldi isn't. I did say I don’t care if they go with Stroman and Bauer for one year. Whatever. I don’t see that happening. I am actually not advocating *tanking* next year. I am advocating not *building* for next year. So if they can get value for JDM and then sign Nelson Cruz or Justin Turner to a 1-year deal, great. Fine. I don’t think the difference will matter next year. If they can’t, well, the team almost literally can’t be worse. I get that people are collectively having terrible years, but that doesn’t mean some of it is not real. And, at many positions, they are actually either normal or better. CVaz is as good as he’ll be. Moreland is out of his mind. No one at 2B is underperforming. JBJ is as he is. Pillar is hitting over his career numbers. Verdugo is about what he’s been. Benny may actually not be very good. So when we say “people,” we really mean Devers and JDM. There is less room up than we’d hope. So I don’t think doing nothing is a good answer. And I don’t think they can sign their way to competitive this coming offseason. Now, I think the main question is do we think waiting to see what happens around a two-year older CVaz and JDM is good policy, or trade them at peak now? Okay, if you're saying you're not against opportunistically trying to field a competitive team in 2021, your perspective makes a little more sense to me. That just wasn't quite the impression I got from your earlier comments. As for the offensive underperformance... You're making kind of a lot out of 19 games, which have been played under really weird circumstances. The last three weeks, played after a 10 month layover, somehow should be taken as definitive of Benintendi's potential? And Devers and JDM - well, those are two very important pieces! So yeah, get those three on track and the offense really looks all right to me.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 14, 2020 13:36:24 GMT -5
We already made the cost savings trade and got much more back. The main difference in the 2012 and 2020 teams? We lost Sale to TJ, ERod to Covid, the other guy we signed for the 5th spot opted out. Then you have Hernandez and Taylor yet to pitch because of Covid. Hence you currently don't see the true talent of this team. Heck even with a bunch of guys struggling the offense hasn't been horrible. Remember Lackey had TJ and came back to help us win a Championship. Trading an aging Beckett, a disappointing Gonzalez, and a brutal Crawford was cost saving. Trading Betts was... other. But it remains to be seen that we got more back. At the time, Webster and De La Rosa looked like potentially a huge haul. Two guys with plus pitches... surely something comes of that! But... ooops. In this case, we’ll see. But a month into the first season after the two trades, I don’t think this one yielded more (by which I mean one month into 2013 I was still eager to see what those arms could do. I’m not quite as jazzed by this return). I don’t think Hernandez or especially Taylor are moving the dial much. I think Hernandez might be a stud reliever, and I have high hopes for him in years to come, but he has a good deal of developing to go. His control was brutal last year. Gonzalez was coming off a 3 bwar season and the trade cleared about 45 million in salary, 50 million going forward with Betts new deal. So it cleared salary. We have like 125 million in contracts plus the arbitration guys next year. Even if they stay under the tax line we now have a bunch of money to spend. With Betts and Price your almost at the tax line, you have zero room. Let's also not forget he turned down multiple extensions we offered him, the last one per reports was more per year than the deal he signed. You have officially crossed the line of acting rational, you dream of guys from that trade. Yet not higher rated, more proven guys in this trade? Verdugo put up over 3 bwar last year. The Dodger trade was a guy coming off TJ surgery that wasn't proven and Webster who had a huge arm, yet lacked command and control. It's a perfect example of why you trade for positional players over pitchers in trades like those. You don't think anything moves the dial from your doom and gloom point of view. Like Hernandez wasn't very good with that, yet he wasn't Webster bad either. That is something that one day can just click for a pitcher. I won't go full on Eric and say he could be a #3, but he's much better than the guys we've been playing. You wouldn't have as much just bring in guys and try them out. Watch them get bashed and sent back down crap. The point is the 2021 team will have those four guys and this team doesn't. You can't judge this team without factoring that in. Which is exactly what you keep doing. I'm not just a fan who thinks the Red Sox can do no wrong either. I'm actually a fairly negative type of person, yet you keep taking it to crazy extremes. Worst case stuff with everything.
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Post by manfred on Aug 14, 2020 14:18:06 GMT -5
I did say I don’t care if they go with Stroman and Bauer for one year. Whatever. I don’t see that happening. I am actually not advocating *tanking* next year. I am advocating not *building* for next year. So if they can get value for JDM and then sign Nelson Cruz or Justin Turner to a 1-year deal, great. Fine. I don’t think the difference will matter next year. If they can’t, well, the team almost literally can’t be worse. I get that people are collectively having terrible years, but that doesn’t mean some of it is not real. And, at many positions, they are actually either normal or better. CVaz is as good as he’ll be. Moreland is out of his mind. No one at 2B is underperforming. JBJ is as he is. Pillar is hitting over his career numbers. Verdugo is about what he’s been. Benny may actually not be very good. So when we say “people,” we really mean Devers and JDM. There is less room up than we’d hope. So I don’t think doing nothing is a good answer. And I don’t think they can sign their way to competitive this coming offseason. Now, I think the main question is do we think waiting to see what happens around a two-year older CVaz and JDM is good policy, or trade them at peak now? Okay, if you're saying you're not against opportunistically trying to field a competitive team in 2021, your perspective makes a little more sense to me. That just wasn't quite the impression I got from your earlier comments. As for the offensive underperformance... You're making kind of a lot out of 19 games, which have been played under really weird circumstances. The last three weeks, played after a 10 month layover, somehow should be taken as definitive of Benintendi's potential? And Devers and JDM - well, those are two very important pieces! So yeah, get those three on track and the offense really looks all right to me. I love Benny, and I hope he turns it around. But let’s not forget he was not very good last year, either. So this was supposed to be a year to bounce back. I am a gambler, so I look at these things as bets. Given three options, a) Benny turns around into an above-average player; b) Benny gets it together and is average; or c) Benny is slightly below average (still a huge step up from here), I’d be most apt to bet (c). I feel like some of what we all loved is pretty much not happening, especially his power. He seems a bit slower than he was. Anyway, whatever. I don’t know what people have been watching, but under the same conditions as the opposition, they look like a little league team. Should they be better? There are a lot of shoulds in life. But they are awful. And we can pray away the awful or say, hey man, let’s field some offers.
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