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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 21:40:39 GMT -5
Benny says, “hey if I’m gunna get on 3 times, I’ll have to suck with my legs.” CS, faceplant.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 11, 2020 21:42:34 GMT -5
Benny says, “hey if I’m gunna get on 3 times, I’ll have to suck with my legs.” CS, faceplant. and even without the faceplant, he was probably gonna get thrown out at third.
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Post by station13 on Aug 11, 2020 21:42:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Benni will be here next year if he keeps doing this.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 21:46:24 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Benni will be here next year if he keeps doing this. I feel like he has to be. What is he worth otherwise? Why sell low?
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 11, 2020 21:51:38 GMT -5
Bellinger's wRC+ is somehow currently worse than Benny's...
𝘮𝘢𝘺𝘣𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘸𝘰 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 21:54:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Benni will be here next year if he keeps doing this. I feel like he has to be. What is he worth otherwise? Why sell low? LOL, tongue in cheek. Benni has 3 options remaining.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 21:56:04 GMT -5
Bellinger's wRC+ is somehow currently worse than Benny's... 𝘮𝘢𝘺𝘣𝘦 𝘸𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘸𝘰 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 I never want to trade with the Dodgers again. They are dead to me.
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Post by manfred on Aug 11, 2020 22:03:20 GMT -5
Thank god for the Pirates.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 11, 2020 22:03:31 GMT -5
Tank baby tank.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 11, 2020 22:10:04 GMT -5
Thank god for the Pirates. After this game, the Angels and Red Sox have the same record and the Angels are up 5-0. Every cloud has a silver lining.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 11, 2020 22:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 12, 2020 2:40:06 GMT -5
So, what member of the Boston Red Sox came into the game 3rd in xwOBA to Moreland and Bogaerts, and is now 3rd to Bogaerts and Devers in Average Exit Velocity?
If you said Jonathan Arauz, take a bow.
He came into the game with a .378 xwOBA, and had a .630 xBA in his 3 PA. I'll know tomorrow, but he may now lead the team in xwOBA.
Now, it's just 16 PA, and it's almost certainly the case that no one has any kind of book on him. But I'm impressed with the hit tool, and his defense is obviously very good. Once Devers returns, I think he needs to play most days at 2B until he stops being impressive.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 12, 2020 5:12:20 GMT -5
Observations over the choice of Kyle Hart getting the nod for Thursday and Brian Johnson's release and others. Seem's the Sox bigwig's have some kind of plan with Houck and Mata and it involves taking much longer, perhaps 2021 before they debut. As for Johnson, with Hart getting a start over him? It showed they had no faith at all in him any more, unless some kind of injury and that is doubtful with him requesting a release.
I myself see no upside in Kyle Hart after watching him him several miLB games that would last in the MLB. believe in Johnson's extreme mediocrity a better choice. issues with the pitching choices this year and wonder if it is Bloom doing this. Maybe it works, but it's something i've never seen with making worst choices of a bad lot imho several times.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2020 5:34:00 GMT -5
For me, I view Hart as Johnson lite. The only way this makes sense is that Hart was on the 40 man and Johnson not. Maybe Johnson knew when he left that it was the case.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2020 7:28:51 GMT -5
I mean he really can't be any worse than Weber. Can he?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 12, 2020 7:36:03 GMT -5
I mean he really can't be any worse than Weber. Can he? Famous last words. Every time I hear "he can't be worse than...", odds are he winds up being even worse (which admittedly is hard to do). Just one of those uncanny things.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2020 8:33:46 GMT -5
Observations over the choice of Kyle Hart getting the nod for Thursday and Brian Johnson's release and others. Seem's the Sox bigwig's have some kind of plan with Houck and Mata and it involves taking much longer, perhaps 2021 before they debut. As for Johnson, with Hart getting a start over him? It showed they had no faith at all in him any more, unless some kind of injury and that is doubtful with him requesting a release. I myself see no upside in Kyle Hart after watching him him several miLB games that would last in the MLB. believe in Johnson's extreme mediocrity a better choice. issues with the pitching choices this year and wonder if it is Bloom doing this. Maybe it works, but it's something i've never seen with making worst choices of a bad lot imho several times. Houck and Mata aren't stretched out enough yet. As I've mentioned on here before, keep in mind they only started pitching when they reported to Pawtucket - they weren't at Summer Camp like Hart was. I believe they've each only gone up to 4 innings so far. I wouldn't call them up to the bigs until they had gone 5 innings twice, personally. This isn't the season to risk injuring one of those guys.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 12, 2020 10:04:00 GMT -5
So, what member of the Boston Red Sox came into the game 3rd in xwOBA to Moreland and Bogaerts, and is now 3rd to Bogaerts and Devers in Average Exit Velocity?
If you said Jonathan Arauz, take a bow.
He came into the game with a .378 xwOBA, and had a .630 xBA in his 3 PA. I'll know tomorrow, but he may now lead the team in xwOBA.
Now, it's just 16 PA, and it's almost certainly the case that no one has any kind of book on him. But I'm impressed with the hit tool, and his defense is obviously very good. Once Devers returns, I think he needs to play most days at 2B until he stops being impressive.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2020 10:45:45 GMT -5
Observations over the choice of Kyle Hart getting the nod for Thursday and Brian Johnson's release and others. Seem's the Sox bigwig's have some kind of plan with Houck and Mata and it involves taking much longer, perhaps 2021 before they debut. As for Johnson, with Hart getting a start over him? It showed they had no faith at all in him any more, unless some kind of injury and that is doubtful with him requesting a release. I myself see no upside in Kyle Hart after watching him him several miLB games that would last in the MLB. believe in Johnson's extreme mediocrity a better choice. issues with the pitching choices this year and wonder if it is Bloom doing this. Maybe it works, but it's something i've never seen with making worst choices of a bad lot imho several times. Houck and Mata aren't stretched out enough yet. As I've mentioned on here before, keep in mind they only started pitching when they reported to Pawtucket - they weren't at Summer Camp like Hart was. I believe they've each only gone up to 4 innings so far. I wouldn't call them up to the bigs until they had gone 5 innings twice, personally. This isn't the season to risk injuring one of those guys. Chris, what you say makes sense but I think there's more to it than that. I think Bloom is planning on trading 40 man players for players that don't need to be on the 40 man and he wants to avoid losing other players in the meantime. Johnson was an example but a more obvious one is Taylor who is right now better than most of the relievers and is ready for 1 or 2 inning stints.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2020 10:54:38 GMT -5
Something to consider. In a lost season, is the difference in training between being in Boston and being in Pawtucket worth a year's control of Mata and Houke ? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2020 11:20:19 GMT -5
Something to consider. In a lost season, is the difference in training between being in Boston and being in Pawtucket worth a year's control of Mata and Houke ? Asking for a friend. I don't think that's the only thing holding them back. Why rush them up for this season and risk them not being physically ready? We're seeing pitcher injuries across the game because Summer Camp wasn't long enough. Why risk it with the young guys? I think you want them to get a little more time given the extra down time they had since March. It's not about "training" versus being about physical readiness. I'm reading your post as those being two different things, but correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by manfred on Aug 12, 2020 11:26:53 GMT -5
I would love to see a few of the hopefuls at the end of the season selfishly... I’ve never seen Mata pitch, for example. But only if it is as safe as possible, and they are properly conditioned.
There is no reason to risk anyone, though, for this debacle season.
At this point, there is really no reason not to play it out with Weber, Hart, etc.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 12, 2020 11:40:41 GMT -5
I would love to see a few of the hopefuls at the end of the season selfishly... I’ve never seen Mata pitch, for example. But only if it is as safe as possible, and they are properly conditioned. There is no reason to risk anyone, though, for this debacle season. At this point, there is really no reason not to play it out with Weber, Hart, etc. Really the only thing there really is to look forward to is trying to get as high a draft pick as possible. Might as well use the flotsam they've been using. This is simply a bad team playing as badly as you'd expect during a season that's kind of a sad joke. The number 1 thing was always to reset the luxury tax limit. As it stands I don't even know if it makes a lot of sense to go over next season unless they're taking on contracts that get them prospects (the Wil Myers dream/wish). And now I'd say the other thing is helping that farm system by getting a top 5 (if not better) talent in next year's draft - and that is an achievable goal with this pitching staff.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 12, 2020 11:50:23 GMT -5
Something to consider. In a lost season, is the difference in training between being in Boston and being in Pawtucket worth a year's control of Mata and Houke ? Asking for a friend. Houck yes, Mata no. He's ready and you have the benefit of no fans. Which I think for most young guys helps take pressure off. Add that to trying to figure out what he can be next year are worth it for me. Yet he needs to be up as soon as possible. I really don't know why he wasn't in the training camp, especially after three pitchers tested positive for Covid. The more time that goes by the more it starts to not make sense.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 12, 2020 12:01:54 GMT -5
I mean he really can't be any worse than Weber. Can he? Famous last words. Every time I hear "he can't be worse than...", odds are he winds up being even worse (which admittedly is hard to do). Just one of those uncanny things. No matter how bad he gets smoked you'd have to think he will get at least 2 k's which is better than what Weber was averaging while here.
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