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Is It August 31st yet? 2020 Trade Deadline Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2020 11:18:22 GMT -5
Honestly I think Bogaerts stays so it won't be an issue. I think Bloom will build the team around Bogaerts and Devers (despite this season) and get rid of everybody else. He'll fill in with value additions, whether it's scrap heap players or bridge guys while they try to repair the farm system. I wouldn't label Verdugo as untouchable but I don't think he'll move him for Clevenger or Plesac. If he moved Verdugo it would probably be for an up and coming front line starter talent rather than one turning 30 who can disrupt a clubhouse. I think he'll try to do what Cherington did in 2013 - sign a bunch of value/bridge guys. Can't expect the success of 2013, but every big move he makes will be with an eye toward the future, not the next year or two. Also, Roenicke will be a gone and he'll hire a long-term guy he truly wants - not Cora, but somebody through his Tampa connections. Why would Xander not opt out? He could hold the team over a barrel. It would be a horrible financial decision not to see what he could get, because it will absolutely be above 20/yr. Let's not overlook who his agent is as well. All of that is true. I just think he's a different kind of guy - I think he really wants to stay here and I think the Sox will try to make him the centerpiece of the team for a long time even if that means kicking in extra $ to keep him. I could be way off-base with this, but I'm going on a hunch. I think he's the marquis guy that the Red Sox want to identify him with as being a Red Sox so I do think that ownership will be involved to make that happen. I do think that Bloom will try to sign Devers long-term because of the season he's having. Might keep the price down and I think that Bloom is aware that Devers has a higher ceiling than he's shown so far and that includes 2019.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2020 11:25:16 GMT -5
I'm sure a bunch of GMs would chuckle about a guy who's last 9 games he's batting .345 .387 .621 1.008 OPS. He's got warts like he's still at 32% strikeout rate during that stretch. Yet the guys got legit power, just like last year he's capable of going on massive hot streaks. Let's also not act like he doesn't have some upside left either.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:32:45 GMT -5
I'm sure a bunch of GMs would chuckle about a guy who's last 9 games he's batting .345 .387 .621 1.008 OPS. He's got warts like he's still at 32% strikeout rate during that stretch. Yet the guys got legit power, just like last year he's capable of going on massive hot streaks. Let's also not act like he doesn't have some upside left either. Dudes a liability in the field, and he'd likely strike out 250+ times in a season if given full playing time, he may get you a 6th inning reliever.
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Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2020 11:33:08 GMT -5
I'm sure a bunch of GMs would chuckle about a guy who's last 9 games he's batting .345 .387 .621 1.008 OPS. He's got warts like he's still at 32% strikeout rate during that stretch. Yet the guys got legit power, just like last year he's capable of going on massive hot streaks. Let's also not act like he doesn't have some upside left either. I agree. I like him and really, really wish they’d ride him at 2B for the rest of this lost season. I mean, the guy was a high pick, has had good numbers in the minors and is young. Appealing. I also think the negatives (and what seems to be streakiness to this point) would make him someone I would not give much for right now as an opposing GM, especially as reinforcements for a run this season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 18, 2020 11:39:31 GMT -5
Watching Roenicke play Peraza over Chavis at 2b is a big disappointment to me.
We will never know if Chavis develops more to become a guy who can bop 25 homers and hit well enough to be an asset at 2b - maybe his defense would even improve?
We know what Peraza is. He is a total hacker whose OBP will barely be above his batting average. He could be a decent utility man, but that's what he is.
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Post by manfred on Aug 18, 2020 11:41:29 GMT -5
Watching Roenicke play Peraza over Chavis at 2b is a big disappointment to me. We will never know if Chavis develops more to become a guy who can bop 25 homers and hit well enough to be an asset at 2b - maybe his defense would even improve? We know what Peraza is. He is a total hacker whose OBP will barely be above his batting average. He could be a decent utility man, but that's what he is. Is Chavis a *bad* second baseman? Everything I’ve seen of him, he’s been fine at least. No butcher. His range may be an issue, but he has made all the routine plays I’ve seen. Does anyone have better data/evidence? I’m going on the limited amount I’ve watched.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:42:48 GMT -5
Watching Roenicke play Peraza over Chavis at 2b is a big disappointment to me. We will never know if Chavis develops more to become a guy who can bop 25 homers and hit well enough to be an asset at 2b - maybe his defense would even improve? We know what Peraza is. He is a total hacker whose OBP will barely be above his batting average. He could be a decent utility man, but that's what he is. An infield with devers, xander, and chavis at 3rd,SS, and 2b would be a defensive nightmare. I'd pity the pitcher who gives up a groundball
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:44:35 GMT -5
Watching Roenicke play Peraza over Chavis at 2b is a big disappointment to me. We will never know if Chavis develops more to become a guy who can bop 25 homers and hit well enough to be an asset at 2b - maybe his defense would even improve? We know what Peraza is. He is a total hacker whose OBP will barely be above his batting average. He could be a decent utility man, but that's what he is. Is Chavis a *bad* second baseman? Everything I’ve seen of him, he’s been fine at least. No butcher. His range may be an issue, but he has made all the routine plays I’ve seen. Does anyone have better data/evidence? I’m going on the limited amount I’ve watched. His throw home the other day would've hit Remy in the head if he were in the booth. He wasn't a good fielder in the minors either.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 11:44:56 GMT -5
I'm sure a bunch of GMs would chuckle about a guy who's last 9 games he's batting .345 .387 .621 1.008 OPS. He's got warts like he's still at 32% strikeout rate during that stretch. Yet the guys got legit power, just like last year he's capable of going on massive hot streaks. Let's also not act like he doesn't have some upside left either. Dudes a liability in the field, and he'd likely strike out 250+ times in a season if given full playing time, he may get you a 6th inning reliever. The Red Sox are having a bad season so obviously nobody has value.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:47:46 GMT -5
Dudes a liability in the field, and he'd likely strike out 250+ times in a season if given full playing time, he may get you a 6th inning reliever. The Red Sox are having a bad season so obviously nobody has value. He doesn't have value in a season where we don't know if there will be baseball 2 days from now, let alone October. Why would a GM give up an asset for him, is he an upgrade over any one at his position on a contending team?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2020 11:49:19 GMT -5
I'm sure a bunch of GMs would chuckle about a guy who's last 9 games he's batting .345 .387 .621 1.008 OPS. He's got warts like he's still at 32% strikeout rate during that stretch. Yet the guys got legit power, just like last year he's capable of going on massive hot streaks. Let's also not act like he doesn't have some upside left either. I agree. I like him and really, really wish they’d ride him at 2B for the rest of this lost season. I mean, the guy was a high pick, has had good numbers in the minors and is young. Appealing. I also think the negatives (and what seems to be streakiness to this point) would make him someone I would not give much for right now as an opposing GM, especially as reinforcements for a run this season. Opposing GM has tons of pitching yet needs hitting. Would you trade a pitcher who is like Chavis? As an example a guy like Quantrill. Former top 100 guy, has some issues. He also has some upside. A young cost controlled guy for the back end of the rotation. That's the type of deal I'm talking about, not the Indians level starters. Those guys are mid to higher level much more proven guys. They are obviously out of range.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2020 11:53:09 GMT -5
Watching Roenicke play Peraza over Chavis at 2b is a big disappointment to me. We will never know if Chavis develops more to become a guy who can bop 25 homers and hit well enough to be an asset at 2b - maybe his defense would even improve? We know what Peraza is. He is a total hacker whose OBP will barely be above his batting average. He could be a decent utility man, but that's what he is. An infield with devers, xander, and chavis at 3rd,SS, and 2b would be a defensive nightmare. I'd pity the pitcher who gives up a groundball It could also be the best hitting 3B, SS and 2B hitting combo in the league. It's the Red Sox, I think he have a little history of trying to mash teams to death.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
An infield with devers, xander, and chavis at 3rd,SS, and 2b would be a defensive nightmare. I'd pity the pitcher who gives up a groundball It could also be the best hitting 3B, SS and 2B hitting combo in the league. It's the Red Sox, I think he have a little history of trying to mash teams to death. It wouldn't even be the best hitting combo in their own division!
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 18, 2020 11:55:58 GMT -5
I agree. I like him and really, really wish they’d ride him at 2B for the rest of this lost season. I mean, the guy was a high pick, has had good numbers in the minors and is young. Appealing. I also think the negatives (and what seems to be streakiness to this point) would make him someone I would not give much for right now as an opposing GM, especially as reinforcements for a run this season. Opposing GM has tons of pitching yet needs hitting. Would you trade a pitcher who is like Chavis? As an example a guy like Quantrill. Former top 100 guy, has some issues. He also has some upside. A young cost controlled guy for the back end of the rotation. That's the type of deal I'm talking about, not the Indians level starters. Those guys are mid to higher level much more proven guys. They are obviously out of range. I would take that deal from the Sox side of things. I mean, we have one actual starter right now who throws >91mph. Everyone else is either a reliever out of role, or a salad-tosser.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 11:57:00 GMT -5
Opposing GM has tons of pitching yet needs hitting. Would you trade a pitcher who is like Chavis? As an example a guy like Quantrill. Former top 100 guy, has some issues. He also has some upside. A young cost controlled guy for the back end of the rotation. That's the type of deal I'm talking about, not the Indians level starters. Those guys are mid to higher level much more proven guys. They are obviously out of range. I would take that deal from the Sox side of things. I mean, we have one actual starter right now who throws >91mph. Everyone else is either a reliever out of role, or a salad-tosser. I too would take that because Quantrill is actually having a really solid year, they aren't trading him for a backup infielder.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 11:59:43 GMT -5
The Red Sox are having a bad season so obviously nobody has value. He doesn't have value in a season where we don't know if there will be baseball 2 days from now, let alone October. Why would a GM give up an asset for him, is he an upgrade over any one at his position on a contending team? In terms of equal value, you have to consider team control and in terms of a multi-player package, he'd be one hell of a pot sweetener.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 12:04:37 GMT -5
I would take that deal from the Sox side of things. I mean, we have one actual starter right now who throws >91mph. Everyone else is either a reliever out of role, or a salad-tosser. I too would take that because Quantrill is actually having a really solid year, they aren't trading him for a backup infielder. Quantrill has pitched a total of 12 innings and only 1 start. That's a really solid year ? You will see the humor in this if you look but Chavis has twice Quantrill's fWAR.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2020 12:05:48 GMT -5
It could also be the best hitting 3B, SS and 2B hitting combo in the league. It's the Red Sox, I think he have a little history of trying to mash teams to death. It wouldn't even be the best hitting combo in their own division! The Yankees top two guys 135 and 132 OPS plus last year, Red Sox 139 and 132. Then it's Chavis vs Torres. Who wins last year, yet not this year. It could easily be the best combo down the road. Also very unlikely Yankees keep that group together long-term. Unless they go Yankee beast mode again.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 12:06:59 GMT -5
I too would take that because Quantrill is actually having a really solid year, they aren't trading him for a backup infielder. Quantrill has pitched a total of 12 innings and only 1 start. That's a really solid year ? As a reliever, yes it is. He'd literally be a top 2 reliever on this team.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 18, 2020 12:07:47 GMT -5
It wouldn't even be the best hitting combo in their own division! The Yankees top two guys 135 and 132 OPS plus last year, Red Sox 139 and 132. Then it's Chavis vs Torres. Who wins last year, yet not this year. It could easily be the best combo down the road. Also very unlikely Yankees keep that group together long-term. Unless they go Yankee beast mode again. They absolutely keep Gleyber and they likely sign Lindor
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 18, 2020 12:09:27 GMT -5
I have generally been one of the more understanding people of the mechanics and reasoning behind the Mookie trade, but I think that if they traded Xander it'd not only be a bad deal in my eyes but it would retroactively made the Mookie trade terrible to me, as well.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 12:26:55 GMT -5
Quantrill has pitched a total of 12 innings and only 1 start. That's a really solid year ? As a reliever, yes it is. He'd literally be a top 2 reliever on this team. Quantrill is a middle reliever with no strikeout pitch that gives up a fair share of flyballs. A power hitting utility player has greater value. Both Chavis and Quantrill have about equal service time. That said, the Padres aren't a match because they have Cronenworth in waiting when Hosmer returns but not because of Chavis' value.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 18, 2020 12:31:31 GMT -5
I just used Quantrill as an example, a guy like him. Someone like Adam Morejon. There are a bunch of guys that fit the type of guy I'm thinking about. A ready or near ready back end starter with upside. Just using Padres as examples because I know that system better than most. Way too many hours dreaming on a Myers trade.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 18, 2020 12:42:12 GMT -5
I just used Quantrill as an example, a guy like him. Someone like Adam Morejon. There are a bunch of guys that fit the type of guy I'm thinking about. A ready or near ready back end starter with upside. Just using Padres as examples because I know that system better than most. Way too many hours dreaming on a Myers trade. Yes, I knew that. I was answering Mr. Negativity. It wasn't directed at you. And Quantrill wouldn't be worth taking on Myers. It would have to be better than that.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 18, 2020 14:41:55 GMT -5
So the expiring contracts are: Workman, Pillar, JBJ
plus one year of control: Hembree, Barnes, Moreland and Perez
I expect the first group to leave at the deadline. I think Chaim would only move anyone with control if he really likes the return, as in a potential cost controlled starter. Although it's possible, I will be a little surprised if anyone else is moved.
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