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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 19, 2020 14:47:24 GMT -5
Remember when y'all called me Mr. Negativity for suggesting this and how it was stupid and unrealistic? Pepperidge farms remembers That wasn't why you were called Mr. Negativity. Every post is negative. Maybe Chavis kicked his dog or something. Only god can judge.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 19, 2020 14:48:20 GMT -5
That wasn't why you were called Mr. Negativity. Every post is negative. Maybe Chavis kicked his dog or something. Only god can judge. He tried, but missed by about 8 inches. I'm shocked about how many fan boys he has on this site. He has routinely underperformed, and also has a dirty drug test on file. But to each their own. Enjoy him
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 19, 2020 14:51:28 GMT -5
Maybe Chavis kicked his dog or something. Only god can judge. He tried, but missed by about 8 inches. I'm shocked about how many fan boys he has on this site. He has routinely underperformed, and also has a dirty drug test on file. But to each their own. Enjoy him I actually don't like Chavis and would pretty much deal him for a comparable arm. But your hatred reaches new levels
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Post by trajanacc on Aug 19, 2020 14:52:41 GMT -5
Takes a tough guy to push to make a bet he has a 90-95% chance of winning with any given player, let alone Chavis. I mean, it would be kind of weird to choose a different player in an argument about Chavis, no? It's a ridiculous bet, because not even the best hitter in baseball would be likely to go 3-5 in one game. So you're pushing for the bet like you're so confident it improves your argument, but you're basically just saying that Chavis isn't a .600 hitter. Great.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 19, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
I mean, it would be kind of weird to choose a different player in an argument about Chavis, no? It's a ridiculous bet, because not even the best hitter in baseball would be likely to go 3-5 in one game. So you're pushing for the bet like you're so confident it improves your argument, but you're basically just saying that Chavis isn't a .600 hitter. Great. OK, how many hits in let's say 10 games is fair?
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Post by sdiaz1 on Aug 19, 2020 15:01:52 GMT -5
Lol. I had not really checked the lineup that closely and did not realize that Chavis had the day off.
I was commenting on how banal your argument was and expressing my hope that you would both lose the wager.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 19, 2020 15:02:27 GMT -5
He tried, but missed by about 8 inches. I'm shocked about how many fan boys he has on this site. He has routinely underperformed, and also has a dirty drug test on file. But to each their own. Enjoy him I actually don't like Chavis and would pretty much deal him for a comparable arm. But your hatred reaches new levels Comparable arm, you get Fernando Rodney. I'm in
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Aug 19, 2020 15:18:10 GMT -5
Door nobs. What is gained by arguing with a door nob ? Well a strikeout swinging (k) for one thing.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Aug 19, 2020 15:41:26 GMT -5
If and when Barnes and Bradley get dealt we will have no one left from that 2011 draft
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Post by bluechip on Aug 19, 2020 16:12:31 GMT -5
I have to think Moreland has value for somebody. He is riding his early season hot streak right now. It would be nice to turn that into a some kind of longer term asset.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 19, 2020 16:15:47 GMT -5
If and when Barnes and Bradley get dealt we will have no one left from that 2011 draft I mean, it was 9 years ago. While certainly worth noting, I don't think that's terribly abnormal. Consider that the Red Sox already have nobody left from the 2012 draft and only Jantzen Witte (and Nick Longhi depending on how you count him) from the 2013 draft.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2020 8:52:45 GMT -5
Also Verdugo as an honorable mention, and Betts at 47 (noting his is difficult because his contract is so much more valuable to the Dodgers than to any other team because his deferred money becomes due if he's traded). My initial inclination was that 49 was too low for Bogaerts, but then thought of the point Edwards raises of the opt-out. Seems about right then. I presume the only other Sox we'll see is Devers. blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-trade-value-11-to-20/Devers at #16.
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Post by mobaz on Aug 20, 2020 10:17:00 GMT -5
Also Verdugo as an honorable mention, and Betts at 47 (noting his is difficult because his contract is so much more valuable to the Dodgers than to any other team because his deferred money becomes due if he's traded). My initial inclination was that 49 was too low for Bogaerts, but then thought of the point Edwards raises of the opt-out. Seems about right then. I presume the only other Sox we'll see is Devers. blogs.fangraphs.com/2020-trade-value-11-to-20/Devers at #16. I didn't see Moncada on list or HMs. Is he really going to end up Top 10? Or is he not a consideration at all?
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Post by manfred on Aug 20, 2020 10:35:41 GMT -5
Carson Fulmer available again. Would do if cheap.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 20, 2020 12:54:58 GMT -5
So the expiring contracts are: Workman, Pillar, JBJ plus one year of control: Hembree, Barnes, Moreland and Perez I expect the first group to leave at the deadline. I think Chaim would only move anyone with control if he really likes the return, as in a potential cost controlled starter. Although it's possible, I will be a little surprised if anyone else is moved. JDM is the big name you're missing from that group. I absolutely forgot him. He is tricky with the opt out. Teams may want him for this year, not next. His production is down so he may not be high on anyone's list unless he gets hot in the next 10 days. I think the Sox would prefer to keep him and hope he rebounds next year in case they contend under the best case scenario while expecting him not to opt out.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 20, 2020 13:00:20 GMT -5
JDM is the big name you're missing from that group. I absolutely forgot him. He is tricky with the opt out. Teams may want him for this year, not next. His production is down so he may not be high on anyone's list unless he gets hot in the next 10 days. I think the Sox would prefer to keep him and hope he rebounds next year in case they contend under the best case scenario while expecting him not to opt out. I have a feeling here is where we'll see divergence between Dombrowski and Bloom. I suspect (and yup I could be totally wrong here) - that if Dombrowski were still here, he'd be of the mindset that if they keep JDM around they have a legit masher in the middle of the order next year if they rebound and that he wouldn't receive enough value in a deal. I suspect that Bloom probably thinks it's inefficient to tie up $22 million on a DH on the wrong side of 30 and even if the return is lacking, would probably see the $22 million as a great way to find value on the open market somewhere or reallocate toward pitching and other assorted bargains. I do think that Bloom will trade away JDM in a couple of weeks and most of us will not like the return.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 13:14:33 GMT -5
Carson Fulmer available again. Would do if cheap. Velocity is down from when he was a starter, yet he's being used as a reliever. In the past he was 93-94 as a starter, he's 92.3 as a reliever right now. Not what you want to see.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 20, 2020 13:20:06 GMT -5
So the expiring contracts are: Workman, Pillar, JBJ plus one year of control: Hembree, Barnes, Moreland and Perez I expect the first group to leave at the deadline. I think Chaim would only move anyone with control if he really likes the return, as in a potential cost controlled starter. Although it's possible, I will be a little surprised if anyone else is moved. Unfortunately that first group falls into the bag-of-balls category. If I were a GM, I’d only take them as a way to dump longer term dead-money on the Sox. If your expectations are low for the deadline, I think you may be pleasantly surprised. While Workman isn't having a record setting year like 2019 when batters hit .123 against him, he would certainly be an upgrade for almost any bullpen, if not in the 9th, in the 7th or 8th. www.phillyvoice.com/phillies-bullpen-worst-baseball-and-could-cost-them-playoffs/Just looking at the Phillies, this may be their best chance to win, if Realmuto walks. Workman looks like the closer for them. How many sellers are their (3 or 4?) and how many relievers are better than him that will be available? How many teams will make an offer for him? The Sox being under the salary cap can also pay all the salary of players they trade making them more attractive to teams hurting with revenue. I am hoping for a haul in talent that at least matches what the Sox received in the June draft. Maybe at least one player in the Sox Prospects top 10 and another in the top 20 (not to try to influence you Chris). There is a lot of disappointment in the game threads being expressed. I understand but think back to SF last year. They were a couple games out of the WC at the deadline with a team that was out performing expectations. They held onto valuable assets that could have changed their future in a big way, lost them in free agency and didn't make the playoffs. That was where the Sox were before the 9 game losing streak. That is the silver lining in the streak. Here's hoping for another deadline deal like this one: www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/7/29/16050696/mariners-red-sox-heathcliff-slocumb-worst-trades-in-baseball-history
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 20, 2020 14:00:31 GMT -5
I have to think Moreland has value for somebody. He is riding his early season hot streak right now. It would be nice to turn that into a some kind of longer term asset. There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to move him JBJ or Workman. None. I just wonder if Bloom is a builder like Cherington/Chiarelli where the prices are always too high and ends up standing pat or will he take the best deal possible and just make room for a kid like Dalbec at 1st.
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Post by jdb on Aug 20, 2020 14:18:24 GMT -5
I’m in the minority but I think we are sitting in a good spot with JDM. He’s either on our roster for 1-2 more years anchoring a lineup with X/Devers, walks and we get a comp pick along with an additional ~$1M+ of signing money in a deep class or he gets traded for more value than a comp pick. I’m fine with anything that happens.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 20, 2020 14:58:08 GMT -5
JDB, I agree with you regarding JDM. I think the sox are ok eith way with him.
Regarding the pitchers Barnes and Hembree . Hembree having one more year of control maybe you can get a little more. I personally want to resign Workman. Jackie and Chavis I'm okay with regarding Chavis they probably think Dalbec can replace him.
I cant wait till our pitcher blossom and I think Duran is going to be the next exciting prospect.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Aug 20, 2020 15:16:49 GMT -5
I’m in the minority but I think we are sitting in a good spot with JDM. He’s either on our roster for 1-2 more years anchoring a lineup with X/Devers, walks and we get a comp pick along with an additional ~$1M+ of signing money in a deep class or he gets traded for more value than a comp pick. I’m fine with anything that happens. Can you offer arbitration to a guy that opts out, are we sure we'd get anything if he left?
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 20, 2020 15:40:49 GMT -5
I found a Globe article from the 2019 opt out issue that suggested that we could offer arb which was about 17.8 million then, and could get pick (a fourth at that time, probably a second now with the reset. I assume that the contract would have the same provisions for the subsequent opt outs.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 20, 2020 16:11:54 GMT -5
I have to think Moreland has value for somebody. He is riding his early season hot streak right now. It would be nice to turn that into a some kind of longer term asset. There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to move him JBJ or Workman. None. I just wonder if Bloom is a builder like Cherington/Chiarelli where the prices are always too high and ends up standing pat or will he take the best deal possible and just make room for a kid like Dalbec at 1st. Cherington made deals, his HR for ERod. Yet went for Veterans with Lester and Lackey. So it will be interesting which way Bloom goes. Best value, even if that's guys years away or more towards guys that can help next year.
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Post by basbal24 on Aug 20, 2020 17:26:45 GMT -5
how about anthony alford ?? if pillar or bradley are move might be good pick up
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