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Post by manfred on Aug 30, 2020 10:48:33 GMT -5
This seems like a good package. Risk, sure, but at least one clear excellent tool for both. Rosario, especially, seems like a great piece to give a go. Just the type of deal I am hoping for this weekend.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2020 10:48:59 GMT -5
Sox took advantage of the Padres roster crunch to buy low on a couple talented dudes. Potts was a first rounder in '16 and Rosario got seven figures as an International amateur the same year. Both Rule 5 eligible but the Sox obviously have the space this winter.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 30, 2020 10:50:41 GMT -5
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 30, 2020 10:57:31 GMT -5
Bobby Bombs, here we come !!!
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 30, 2020 11:10:23 GMT -5
Sounds like we got two guys who each have one potential plus tool but also significant shortcomings (swing-and-miss tendency for Potts is worrisome). I'm disappointed CB couldn't find a way to pry a CB pick away from the Pads.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 30, 2020 11:14:29 GMT -5
Seems like this organization is rely buying into the Home run/ strike out era. Stringing together 3 hits is for sailors.
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Post by lennsakata on Aug 30, 2020 11:18:29 GMT -5
MLB.com has Rosario’s power at a 50 which wouldn’t be bad for a twitchy outfielder with OBP skills. While I’m not in any position to evaluate and without any info on his swing presently, I do like the odds of a 6’1 190 athletic dude with a discerning eye and the ability to work counts, developing at least 15-18 homerun power with some possible adjustments...unless his swing/set-up are a hindrance to it.
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Aug 30, 2020 11:20:12 GMT -5
Firstly, thank you for your exceptional time with Boston! You were a huge part of the 2018 team that won the championship. You never were a distraction, you won a GG and you hit admirably. As being a cast off from Texas to a player who signed in a week free agent market, you were the splash we needed. The return is about what you'd expect for I'd say a mid-tier rental. He's hitting really well and should fit in well in SD.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 30, 2020 11:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 30, 2020 11:23:10 GMT -5
Fangraphs has already moved them both into their RS rankings. They have Potts at 6 and Rosario at 8. They don't list Seabold at all.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2020 11:30:03 GMT -5
Fangraphs has already moved them both into their RS rankings. They have Potts at 6 and Rosario at 8. They don't list Seabold at all. Well that doesn't sound right but FG marches to a different beat and that's cool.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 30, 2020 11:30:26 GMT -5
We traded a guy with a 1.200 OPS and didnt even get Mackenzie Gore in the package...fire Bloom already!
(Really, looks like a nice return at first glance. Raises my hopes a bit for what we'll be able to get for Barnes and some of the others with <2 years of control left.)
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 30, 2020 11:30:51 GMT -5
Here is Rosario 4 years ago. He is definitely bigger now.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 30, 2020 11:32:12 GMT -5
Fangraphs has already moved them both into their RS rankings. They have Potts at 6 and Rosario at 8. They don't list Seabold at all. Well that doesn't sound right but FG marches to a different beat and that's cool. Are you saying Potts and Rosario should be higher? Or lower? Or are you commenting on the lack of a Seabold ranking?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 30, 2020 11:33:15 GMT -5
2018 Rosario
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Post by jimoh on Aug 30, 2020 11:39:29 GMT -5
I like seeing times for speed (4.15-4.21 times up the line). This is from a year or so ago "Jeisson Rosario Scouting Report 2080 Baseball Jeisson Rosario, OF, San Diego Padres (Lake Elsinore Storm) Ht/Wt: 6’1” / 191 lbs. B/T: L / L Age (as of April 1, 2019): 19y, 5m Built with a medium frame that’s oozing athleticism and projectability, Rosario looks the part of a big league centerfielder. He’s a plus runner (4.15-4.21 times up the line) with wheels that show up on the bases and in the field. Rosario covers ground in the outfield with an easy glide, ranging well to both sides and showing the physical tools to be an above-average defender. He closed the gaps better than he went back on balls over his head in my look, but that’s a route running issue that can be ironed out with time. Offensively, Rosario is a contact-oriented hitter with plus bat-to-ball ability. Though he is striking out more than last year as a 19-year-old in High-A, he’s very young for the league and still shows an advanced sense of the zone. He projects to be the type of hitter that puts the ball in play and pressures defenders with his wheels. There isn’t much power right now, and parts of his swing mechanics—namely, a bent upper-half that shrinks his strike zone but takes away leverage—don’t lend themselves well to lifting the ball. Rosario squares up a good amount of line drives but doesn’t make enough aerial contact for present game power. His ceiling is an everyday CF, with the well-rounded skill set to fit as a fourth outfielder or role player if he falls short of that. More offensive developments are coming as he ages and gets stronger." www.reddit.com/r/PadresFarm/comments/c8sqt0/jeisson_rosario_scouting_report_2080_baseball/
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 30, 2020 11:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 30, 2020 11:44:28 GMT -5
Sounds like we got two guys who each have one potential plus tool but also significant shortcomings (swing-and-miss tendency for Potts is worrisome). I'm disappointed CB couldn't find a way to pry a CB pick away from the Pads. It’s Dalbec-like swing and miss at AA but the good news is Potts is a lot earlier on in his development than Dalbec was when he got there
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Post by cdj on Aug 30, 2020 11:45:34 GMT -5
MLB.com has Rosario’s power at a 50 which wouldn’t be bad for a twitchy outfielder with OBP skills. While I’m not in any position to evaluate and without any info on his swing presently, I do like the odds of a 6’1 190 athletic dude with a discerning eye and the ability to work counts, developing at least 15-18 homerun power with some possible adjustments...unless his swing/set-up are a hindrance to it. From what I’ve read he has a complicated swing, so maybe if we can simplify things for him he’ll take off I wouldn’t rule out 10+ homers, which from a guy getting on base and playing a good OF would be a nice player
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 30, 2020 12:09:01 GMT -5
Sensible trade for both teams.
The Padres rent a DH for the rest of the year. I know he has an option. Wonder if the Pads pick it up and trade him afterwards as there is no DH next season (or maybe there will be if things are about the same then as now?)
Potts and Rosario have one skill each that is definitely big league.
Potts has serious power and is young, but not having a position and a questionable hit tool, he's probably a guy who if he makes the majors will seriously struggle to get on base but will pop HRs from wherever he plays. For the Red Sox, he's probably a Ben Zobrist rover type (don't mean to compare his actual offense to Zobrist who had some power - I'll guess less than Potts - but got on base a ton and had a better hit tool.) I'm trying to say that he can play semi-regularly from different positions - something that I think Kolten Wong will be doing as well.
With Rosario, he needs to be able to stick in CF to play ever day and I wonder if he'll be able to keep his OBP up as he advances and pitchers challenge him more at the higher level. My guess is that he becomes a #4 OF with decent OBP capabilities, but we'll see.
The good news for both guys is that they're both so young and have more room for development. Potts' numbers were held down by his league and he was younger than the average AA player so that's a good thing. And Rosario is young, and his ability to draw walks was eye opening.
The Pads would have been challenged to place them on the 40 man roster so it made sense for them.
And for the Sox, well this is exactly the type of trade the Sox will be making a lot of.
Depth trades where they hope they hit on them. They're not going to be bringing in guys who are going to be names that make you stand up and take notice, but they're trying to build an organization where they have a lot of talent, so if the front liners have issues, you can bring up guys who can contribute. The farm system has been unable to step in so in the future hopefully it will and for 1 month of Mitch Moreland (and even another year's worth) it's worth it.
It gives Dalbec a chance to perform and I honestly don't think the dropoff will be that severe. You're talking about losing a guy who can hit the league average, draw walks and hit with power in Moreland. I think you lose some batting average but Dalbec will give you even more power, and he'll draw some walks, and he's younger and I would suspect more durable.
I'll always appreciate what Moreland brought the Red Sox, though and his calling card will always be that PH 3 run HR in Game 4 of the WS that woke the Red Sox offense up and started them back onto the path of winning the World Series.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Aug 30, 2020 12:12:14 GMT -5
I don’t know enough about Potts and Rosario, so I’m comfortable deferring to the consensus here that the Sox got a good return. I’d rather have gotten an arm than 2 bats, but I guess Bloom got the best return he could. But it would be nice to stock up the pitching prospect depth. Perhaps they aren’t done dealing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 30, 2020 12:12:27 GMT -5
I am a bit surprised that money didn't also go with Mitch. Not a lot to work with there but the Padres aren't a wealthy team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 30, 2020 12:16:14 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 30, 2020 12:29:19 GMT -5
Well that doesn't sound right but FG marches to a different beat and that's cool. Are you saying Potts and Rosario should be higher? Or lower? Or are you commenting on the lack of a Seabold ranking? Lower, like MLB.com has them at 19 and 20. Fangraphs is the only one to have them anywhere in that range. Yet like James said they just do things differently.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 30, 2020 12:34:42 GMT -5
Well that doesn't sound right but FG marches to a different beat and that's cool. Are you saying Potts and Rosario should be higher? Or lower? Or are you commenting on the lack of a Seabold ranking? Thinking more, I could talk myself into Potts at 6. Not there myself but I see it. But there really is some good depth in the system now, too much for me to put Rosario at #8. I would put Seabold behind Ward/Houck and ahead of the next group (Aldo, Murphy, Zeferjahn, etc). Either way, it's a very solid haul for Moreland and I am on board.
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