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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 3, 2021 14:33:23 GMT -5
Richards now official and Payamps DFA'ed.
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Post by controne on Feb 10, 2021 9:10:38 GMT -5
When are Sox allowed to move Sale to IL?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 10, 2021 10:36:47 GMT -5
When are Sox allowed to move Sale to IL? Sale: 15th or 16th. Earliest day that MLB allows pitchers to report. Payamps: I surmise today WED he comes off waivers. Claimed or unclaimed. Day 7 of a seven-day process.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 10, 2021 16:49:06 GMT -5
Now that I hear how hard Iwamura is throwing, I think the gimmick of an ml contract is unlikely, but it's also getting to the point where they might wait until Sale hits the 60-day IL before they officially add him, which was what I had them doing in that scenario!
It does likely mean that there's no longer an open spot on the 40-man for the best of the NRI guys or a late waiver claim as teams set their opening day rosters. But if Brice looks good but one of the NRI guys looks great, you can trade Brice.
Meanwhile, the addition of another RHR makes it seem more certain than ever that Walden and Brewer will be two of the remaining three cuts (for Perez, OF, 1B). That they have not added a LHR as I thought they would indicates a confidence in a Taylor comeback, but quite possibly also their intention to keep Springs as a useful up-and-down guy for as many as 3 years, which is also plenty of time for him to take one of the unexpected step forwards that are so common among guys like that. Just typing that makes me think it's likely.
So the last cut is ideally Mazza and his guaranteed contract clearing waivers after no one expresses trade interest. If that can't happen, then they have three trade choices: Brice to a team that sees what we see, Wilson, and Mazza. The latter becomes likelier in the unlikely case that they see something in Payamps that no one else does, or if they're higher on Whitlock as a starter, or Andriese as a bulk guy, then you'd expect..
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 10, 2021 20:54:03 GMT -5
Richards now official and Payamps DFA'ed. Cotillo reporting that Payamps was claimed by the Blue Jays.
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Post by cdj on Feb 10, 2021 22:08:03 GMT -5
Dedicated to you Joel Payamps- we can tell our grandkids we witnessed greatness
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Post by manfred on Feb 10, 2021 23:48:42 GMT -5
Richards now official and Payamps DFA'ed. Cotillo reporting that Payamps was claimed by the Blue Jays. I still remember when Payamps was a stroke of genius.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 11, 2021 0:00:00 GMT -5
Cotillo reporting that Payamps was claimed by the Blue Jays. I still remember when Payamps was a stroke of genius. Honestly can't tell if you're just trolling at this point.
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2021 0:03:52 GMT -5
I still remember when Payamps was a stroke of genius. Honestly can't tell if you're just trolling at this point. Somebody probably said “good depth add”
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Post by kevfc89 on Feb 11, 2021 0:08:41 GMT -5
I still remember when Payamps was a stroke of genius. Honestly can't tell if you're just trolling at this point. Can you really not tell?
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 0:11:08 GMT -5
I still remember when Payamps was a stroke of genius. Honestly can't tell if you're just trolling at this point. Trolling seems a bit extreme. But people were counting that in the “moves that may help” category.
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Post by dcb26 on Feb 11, 2021 0:50:55 GMT -5
Honestly can't tell if you're just trolling at this point. Trolling seems a bit extreme. But people were counting that in the “moves that may help” category. You're mocking "people" for thinking there was a non-zero chance at upside from a relatively unknown player, and you think trolling is too strong a term? I appreciate that the Sox are once again a team that is always looking to upgrade. For everyone who's so keen to attack these type of moves, would you rather they didn't make them? "Eh, he's only projected to be a .3 WAR upgrade, why bother" or "sure there's someone better out there now, but maybe people will think we're dumb for bringing in and then releasing a guy who never played for us, so let's just stick with the current roster."
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 0:57:19 GMT -5
Trolling seems a bit extreme. But people were counting that in the “moves that may help” category. You're mocking "people" for thinking there was a non-zero chance at upside from a relatively unknown player, and you think trolling is too strong a term? I appreciate that the Sox are once again a team that is always looking to upgrade. For everyone who's so keen to attack these type of moves, would you rather they didn't make them? "Eh, he's only projected to be a .3 WAR upgrade, why bother" or "sure there's someone better out there now, but maybe people will think we're dumb for bringing in and then releasing a guy who never played for us, so let's just stick with the current roster." Well, it is part of a chain of easy come, easy go guys that seem like they are going to be a real boost or provide depth. I am happy to make the moves. I do not waste my time thinking about what a .3 WAR guy will bring. If someone like that actually does something, great. But we had a list of these guys as long as my arm last year and hit on pretty much none of them. Which is probably league average. With pitching scarce, I feel like multiple-time designated, released, etc types probably are what they appear to be in virtually every case.
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Post by dcb26 on Feb 11, 2021 8:03:26 GMT -5
Well, it is part of a chain of easy come, easy go guys that seem like they are going to be a real boost or provide depth. I am happy to make the moves. I do not waste my time thinking about what a .3 WAR guy will bring. If someone like that actually does something, great. But we had a list of these guys as long as my arm last year and hit on pretty much none of them. Which is probably league average. With pitching scarce, I feel like multiple-time designated, released, etc types probably are what they appear to be in virtually every case. You're right that if you're expecting more than a slim chance at a fraction of a win from the last guy on the 40 man, you're expecting too much. This is not a Bloom problem or a Red Sox problem. It's also ok for people to wonder if there is some untapped potential in these signings. You don't have to pay attention to these moves, but please (obviously not a mod, just a humble request from someone who is trying to remain able to enjoy reading this board) stop the condescending bs toward people that do. Making inflammatory comments about something you don't actually care about or have interest in, just to frustrate other people, seems like the definition of trolling to me.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 11, 2021 8:34:44 GMT -5
So Martin Perez next on the 40 man roster after the Benintendi trade?
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 11, 2021 9:23:07 GMT -5
So Martin Perez next on the 40 man roster after the Benintendi trade? The trade didn't free up a roster spot.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 11, 2021 17:40:47 GMT -5
So Martin Perez next on the 40 man roster after the Benintendi trade? The trade didn't free up a roster spot. Benintendi is gone, right? No one replaced him on the 40 man roster. Am I missing something?
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 17:41:51 GMT -5
The trade didn't free up a roster spot. Benintendi is gone, right? No one replaced him on the 40 man roster. Am I missing something? Won’t Cordero replace him?
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 11, 2021 17:43:29 GMT -5
Benintendi is gone, right? No one replaced him on the 40 man roster. Am I missing something? Won’t Cordero replace him? Ohh crap. You're right. I'm dumb.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 17:45:47 GMT -5
Won’t Cordero replace him? Ohh crap. You're right. I'm dumb. Naw, not dumb. I was actually legit asking. It gets confusing with the motion and the agreed-but-not signed this time of year.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 11, 2021 21:08:05 GMT -5
With a bench of Marwin, Podlecki and Arroyo, and the flexible Kiké at 2b, who is the 4th man? Chavis to back up 1b, 2b, LF? Moreland? Ockimey?
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 11, 2021 22:07:22 GMT -5
With a bench of Marwin, Podlecki and Arroyo, and the flexible Kiké at 2b, who is the 4th man? Chavis to back up 1b, 2b, LF? Moreland? Ockimey? Because of the versatility from Marwin & Kiké it looks like it could just be a 3 man bench with an extra pitcher. Wouldnât completely close the door on Moreland though if the price is right. Iâm not completely sure of the details but it seems like they may have so many pitchers they need to keep on the major league roster in order to not lose them that they may opt for just Marwin / Plawecki / Arroyo on the bench.
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2021 22:23:41 GMT -5
With a bench of Marwin, Podlecki and Arroyo, and the flexible Kiké at 2b, who is the 4th man? Chavis to back up 1b, 2b, LF? Moreland? Ockimey? Because of the versatility from Marwin & Kiké it looks like it could just be a 3 man bench with an extra pitcher. Wouldnât completely close the door on Moreland though if the price is right. Iâm not completely sure of the details but it seems like they may have so many pitchers they need to keep on the major league roster in order to not lose them that they may opt for just Marwin / Plawecki / Arroyo on the bench. I really don’t see Kiké’s versatility being that big a factor, because he looks like he is pretty close to being the second baseman. Maybe they’ll mix Arroyo in more than I think, but I just see Kiké out there most games. In other words: I think they might need an extra guy.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 11, 2021 22:26:46 GMT -5
Because of the versatility from Marwin & Kiké it looks like it could just be a 3 man bench with an extra pitcher. Wouldnât completely close the door on Moreland though if the price is right. Iâm not completely sure of the details but it seems like they may have so many pitchers they need to keep on the major league roster in order to not lose them that they may opt for just Marwin / Plawecki / Arroyo on the bench. I really don’t see Kiké’s versatility being that big a factor, because he looks like he is pretty close to being the second baseman. Maybe they’ll mix Arroyo in more than I think, but I just see Kiké out there most games. In other words: I think they might need an extra guy. Yeah personally I agree with you. Just speculating on what the plan may be. Does anyone know the exact implications of adding another bat (in terms of retaining pitching depth)? Are all the projected 26 man pitchers out of options? If so, I could see a scenario where we go into camp with what we have an then if one of the 14 pitchers gets injured add the 4th bench bat. At least that way you have time to evaluate which pitcher you’re fine with losing when the staff is fully healthy, if you want to stick with 4 bench guys moving forward.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 12, 2021 17:41:07 GMT -5
Perez is official. Mazza DFA'ed.
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