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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 15, 2021 6:48:13 GMT -5
What do we know about Rios beyond the stat lines? What is his repertoire, scouting reports?
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Post by soxcentral on Jun 15, 2021 6:58:34 GMT -5
What do we know about Rios beyond the stat lines? What is his repertoire, scouting reports? Link
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Post by sarasoxer on Jun 15, 2021 7:04:53 GMT -5
What do we know about Rios beyond the stat lines? What is his repertoire, scouting reports? LinkThanks! His SSS stats this year in 14 AAA innings look impressive as his walk rate is decidedly lower and the strikeout rate increased. I wondered if something had transformed him exclusive of sticky stuff.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 15, 2021 8:59:50 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 16, 2021 14:44:46 GMT -5
Sox have done a really good job at maintaining their bullpen depth with their DFAs. Brice, Brewer, Schreiber, and Brennan have all ended up clearing waivers and staying in the organization for added depth in Worcester. On one side, all other 29 teams passed on them but that’s at least solid depth.
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Post by cdj on Jun 16, 2021 16:23:06 GMT -5
Weber claimed by Milwaukee
why god why
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 16, 2021 16:42:46 GMT -5
Weber claimed by Milwaukee why god why OMG! Where are we ever going to find a pitcher who can give up 11 runs in 5 innings?!!!
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Post by manfred on Jun 16, 2021 16:46:54 GMT -5
I have nothing bad to say about Weber. He took one hard for the team the other day, and he did his best in a garbage season last year. I hope he gets a real shot to succeed in Milwaukee and makes some decent dough.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 5, 2021 20:06:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox reinstated Bazardo from the minor league IL, recalled him, and put him on the 60-day IL. Opens up a 40-man spot.
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Post by cdj on Jul 5, 2021 23:32:43 GMT -5
Kinda happy for Bazardo. He’s not the youngest prospect so I’m glad he can collect an MLB paycheck while rehabbing
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 6, 2021 3:08:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox reinstated Bazardo from the minor league IL, recalled him, and put him on the 60-day IL. Opens up a 40-man spot. They did this before the game, and they are now paying Bazardo the MLB minimum and it counts against the tax and his service time.
Since the only looming additions are Sale and Brasier, and neither has yet started their rehab, this certainly suggests that they have an imminent acquisition in mind, a la Rios. So I wouldn't count it in terms of making room for them or Duran.
Now, let's assume that Franchy gets recalled before or at the deadline and Santana is DFA'd or (ideally) traded. That opens up a spot for Brasier to be activated and optioned.
Sale and Houck need to be added to the 26-man, and at present there are three candidates for removal: Workman, Andriese and Rios. So either Workman or Anbriese is being dealt (or DFA'd), and maybe both, and that opens up your Sale spot.
Now, once you add Sale and Houck there's one roster spot on the 26-man for Andriese, Workman, Rios, Brasier, Valdez, and in theory Ort, if everyone is healthy.
The thing about Andriese is that if you don't deal him at the deadline for whatever you can get in the way of salary relief or bodies, and he turns out to be significantly less effective than whoever is the best of the other five, you will be DFA'ing him in August or early Septembr and eating the whole contract. Given all the alternatives, I think that if he can't work his way into the circle of trust (high-leverage guys) by the deadline, he's the first guy to go.
If Workman is the best of the bunch he stays (and Rios is optioned), and if he sucks he goes, so the interesting decision is what you do if (as seems likeliest) he's more or less as good as Rios, Brasier (as far as we can tell by the deadline), Valdez, and Ort. Keeping him adds depth. Dealing him thins your depth, but with 4 other bodies for the last spot on the roster, and two more when Bazardo and Seabold get healthy, that shouldn't be that much of a concern. Meanwhile, I like the odds of one of Brasier, Rios, or Ort earning a high-leverage role. And whether one of them does or not, they'll have at least three guys with options (including Valdez) to fill the last spot in the pen collectively, and that allows some Uber trips back and forth to Worcester should we suddenly need another arm.
And finally, moving both Andriese and Workman opens up the eventual spot for Duran, which happens when an outfielder gets injured, or on September 1.
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Post by vokuhila on Jul 6, 2021 4:04:27 GMT -5
Trading Andriese would certainly be great, but he has negative trade value right now. So trading him for cash considerations would be a win, trading him for a viable prospect is a tall order...but on the other hand: it's the trade deadline...and he is a reliever with somewhat decent peripherals, so basically anything can happen.
With Sale and Houck returning they also have to relegate (or trade) two starters to relievers (or go 6 man rotation). The RS are well positioned to move one or two relievers at the deadline and still get the same production. And overpaying for relievers is the one constant at the trade deadline. I can't help but think that this was Blooms plan all along.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 6, 2021 8:59:03 GMT -5
The Red Sox reinstated Bazardo from the minor league IL, recalled him, and put him on the 60-day IL. Opens up a 40-man spot. They did this before the game, and they are now paying Bazardo the MLB minimum and it counts against the tax and his service time. Since the only looming additions are Sale and Brasier, and neither has yet started their rehab, this certainly suggests that they have an imminent acquisition in mind, a la Rios. So I wouldn't count it in terms of making room for them or Duran. Now, let's assume that Franchy gets recalled before or at the deadline and Santana is DFA'd or (ideally) traded. That opens up a spot for Brasier to be activated and optioned. Sale and Houck need to be added to the 26-man, and at present there are three candidates for removal: Workman, Andriese and Rios. So either Workman or Anbriese is being dealt (or DFA'd), and maybe both, and that opens up your Sale spot. Now, once you add Sale and Houck there's one roster spot on the 26-man for Andriese, Workman, Rios, Brasier, Valdez, and in theory Ort, if everyone is healthy. The thing about Andriese is that if you don't deal him at the deadline for whatever you can get in the way of salary relief or bodies, and he turns out to be significantly less effective than whoever is the best of the other five, you will be DFA'ing him in August or early Septembr and eating the whole contract. Given all the alternatives, I think that if he can't work his way into the circle of trust (high-leverage guys) by the deadline, he's the first guy to go.
If Workman is the best of the bunch he stays (and Rios is optioned), and if he sucks he goes, so the interesting decision is what you do if (as seems likeliest) he's more or less as good as Rios, Brasier (as far as we can tell by the deadline), Valdez, and Ort. Keeping him adds depth. Dealing him thins your depth, but with 4 other bodies for the last spot on the roster, and two more when Bazardo and Seabold get healthy, that shouldn't be that much of a concern. Meanwhile, I like the odds of one of Brasier, Rios, or Ort earning a high-leverage role. And whether one of them does or not, they'll have at least three guys with options (including Valdez) to fill the last spot in the pen collectively, and that allows some Uber trips back and forth to Worcester should we suddenly need another arm. And finally, moving both Andriese and Workman opens up the eventual spot for Duran, which happens when an outfielder gets injured, or on September 1.
I see two potential reasons for doing this now. One is the "they must have an imminent move in mind" theory, which makes sense, although I'd have expected the move to happen at the same time. The other is that if this re-sets his time on the IL, which I think it might (again, it was described as him being activated, recalled, and placed on the MLB IL - I can't imagine you can backdate an IL stint past a guy being activated from the IL for that same injury), doing it as soon as possible means he's eligible to come off sooner. Like if they just got word he's going to need at least another month, you might as well put him on the 60 now, and when he comes back, it can be on a rehab assignment. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's eligible to be activated (assuming his clock has indeed reset) on September 3. Bloom has repeatedly optioned guys earlier in order to get them eligible for recall even a day or two sooner. This could be similar.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 6, 2021 11:56:31 GMT -5
Trading Andriese would certainly be great, but he has negative trade value right now. So trading him for cash considerations would be a win, trading him for a viable prospect is a tall order...but on the other hand: it's the trade deadline...and he is a reliever with somewhat decent peripherals, so basically anything can happen. With Sale and Houck returning they also have to relegate (or trade) two starters to relievers (or go 6 man rotation). The RS are well positioned to move one or two relievers at the deadline and still get the same production. And overpaying for relievers is the one constant at the trade deadline. I can't help but think that this was Blooms plan all along. Indeed. So it's very much in our interests to fix him. Is there a level of fixed-ness where you keep him? I don't think so. He was terrific in April and then pumpkinized--what if that happens again? That possibility will reduce his trade value, of course, but if he starts pitching like April you should be able to shed his full salary and get a non-prospect (who secretly is one?) for him.
I do think they'll go to some sort of a 6-man rotation. Having Sale pitch on 5 days rest instead of 4 seems like a good idea (*), as does reducing the workload on everyone else given how little they all pitched last year.
The easiest thing to do is to keep the 5-man rotation and use Sale on one extra days rest, taking a turn from each guy in turn. But you might keep Sale on 5 days rigorously, which means that off days mess up the who-gets-skipped pattern. But in either way of doing it, I think you have a rotation spot shared by two of Houck, Richards, and Perez, or two spots shared by all 3 (depending on how well everyone pitches). That keeps everyone stretched out. You can deal with injuries effortlessly, and you can match the two or three back-of-rotation guys to the opponent. e.g., use Richards and Perez depending on whether the opponent hits RHP or LHP better.
This would actually be a throwback to the way starting pitchers were used until about 1950 or 1960 (or so). A rotation was originally not strict at all, and good pitchers were routinely matched up against better clubs. LHP were often skipped over if they had a start in Fenway (Whitey Ford famously), and IOm sure this happened for other skewed ballparks. It would be very easy to measure the consistency of a rotation, team-by-team, and spot when the strict rotation was invented, by whom, and who were the last holdouts, and what year that was.
And yes, this means that good hitters on bad clubs faced weaker pitching, and good pitchers on good teams faced better hitters -- and no career numbers have ever been adjusted for any of this. It's the single biggest stat illusion that hasn't been measured and adjusted out.
*He's been a bit worse on 5 days rest in his career, but if those extra days were largely given to him in August and September when he obviously tires, it's not meaningful at all. ERA by month: 3.22, 2.69, 2.56, 2.78, 3.31, 3.78, and he's had that pattern every year. Note that this year we'll never get the last two numbers.
They did this before the game, and they are now paying Bazardo the MLB minimum and it counts against the tax and his service time. Since the only looming additions are Sale and Brasier, and neither has yet started their rehab, this certainly suggests that they have an imminent acquisition in mind, a la Rios. So I wouldn't count it in terms of making room for them or Duran. Now, let's assume that Franchy gets recalled before or at the deadline and Santana is DFA'd or (ideally) traded. That opens up a spot for Brasier to be activated and optioned. Sale and Houck need to be added to the 26-man, and at present there are three candidates for removal: Workman, Andriese and Rios. So either Workman or Anbriese is being dealt (or DFA'd), and maybe both, and that opens up your Sale spot. Now, once you add Sale and Houck there's one roster spot on the 26-man for Andriese, Workman, Rios, Brasier, Valdez, and in theory Ort, if everyone is healthy. The thing about Andriese is that if you don't deal him at the deadline for whatever you can get in the way of salary relief or bodies, and he turns out to be significantly less effective than whoever is the best of the other five, you will be DFA'ing him in August or early Septembr and eating the whole contract. Given all the alternatives, I think that if he can't work his way into the circle of trust (high-leverage guys) by the deadline, he's the first guy to go.
If Workman is the best of the bunch he stays (and Rios is optioned), and if he sucks he goes, so the interesting decision is what you do if (as seems likeliest) he's more or less as good as Rios, Brasier (as far as we can tell by the deadline), Valdez, and Ort. Keeping him adds depth. Dealing him thins your depth, but with 4 other bodies for the last spot on the roster, and two more when Bazardo and Seabold get healthy, that shouldn't be that much of a concern. Meanwhile, I like the odds of one of Brasier, Rios, or Ort earning a high-leverage role. And whether one of them does or not, they'll have at least three guys with options (including Valdez) to fill the last spot in the pen collectively, and that allows some Uber trips back and forth to Worcester should we suddenly need another arm. And finally, moving both Andriese and Workman opens up the eventual spot for Duran, which happens when an outfielder gets injured, or on September 1.
I see two potential reasons for doing this now. One is the "they must have an imminent move in mind" theory, which makes sense, although I'd have expected the move to happen at the same time. The other is that if this re-sets his time on the IL, which I think it might (again, it was described as him being activated, recalled, and placed on the MLB IL - I can't imagine you can backdate an IL stint past a guy being activated from the IL for that same injury), doing it as soon as possible means he's eligible to come off sooner. Like if they just got word he's going to need at least another month, you might as well put him on the 60 now, and when he comes back, it can be on a rehab assignment. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's eligible to be activated (assuming his clock has indeed reset) on September 3. Bloom has repeatedly optioned guys earlier in order to get them eligible for recall even a day or two sooner. This could be similar. I think you've got it. I missed that this is resetting the clock.
In the long run (past 9/3) I don't think it changes the math at all. In the interim, it gives them flexibility to claim guys on waivers or purchase an interesting guy like Rios, but the bigger gain is that it opens up a spot to add Duran at any time if an OFer goes on the IL, without changing the math I just laid out. That's very desirable.
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Post by jbsox on Jul 6, 2021 16:55:48 GMT -5
I wasn’t sure where to put this thought, so feel free to move it. Next year we could have Whitlock and Houck starting with possibly Seabold in the mix here and there. The year after in 2023 we could have potentially Bello, Song, Mata and Ward coming back from TJ, Groome, Ramirez, possibly Leiter if we draft him with maybe a surprise here and there like Winkowski or Murphy all closing in on the majors as starting pitchers if not already there. Of course starting pitching prospects are dicey, some might flame out, need longer to develop, converted to relievers, or traded. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Minus Leiter if we don’t draft him I’m not sure any of these guys really project above mid rotation 3 starter, but that’s fine it seems like a really long time we can start getting excited about several starting pitching prospects.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2021 23:17:28 GMT -5
So I think Franchy or Duran (or some other player) is going to need to be called up tomorrow if Santana can’t play. (Otherwise we will have a one man bench tomorrow) not including Vazquez
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2021 23:42:18 GMT -5
Or Chavis?
I bet they have someone on standby because playing with a one man bench tomorrow is playing with fire.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 6, 2021 23:45:48 GMT -5
If someone goes on the IL then they can recall Chavis.
Duran wouldn't shock me at this point, though.
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Post by Jimmy on Jul 6, 2021 23:47:25 GMT -5
If someone goes on the IL then they can recall Chavis. Duran wouldn't shock me at this point, though. Don’t get the people fired up!
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 6, 2021 23:55:29 GMT -5
If someone goes on the IL then they can recall Chavis. Duran wouldn't shock me at this point, though.
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Post by cdj on Jul 7, 2021 0:00:43 GMT -5
Thank god Wong is versatile
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 7, 2021 6:12:38 GMT -5
I guess Workman has experience hitting in big spots?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 7, 2021 8:35:52 GMT -5
I guess Workman has experience hitting in big spots? Daisuke's available and his pitching days are over but we know he can swing the bat in the World Series.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 11, 2021 8:44:53 GMT -5
As we are approaching the all star break - looking at the 40 man... with Sale coming back (hopefully before too long) - Brice, Santana, Andriese seem destined to depart. Surprised to see Mata there as well - not on the 60 day injured category?
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Post by cdj on Jul 11, 2021 9:32:50 GMT -5
As we are approaching the all star break - looking at the 40 man... with Sale coming back (hopefully before too long) - Brice, Santana, Andriese seem destined to depart. Surprised to see Mata there as well - not on the 60 day injured category? If Mata is put on the 60 day his service clock is started
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