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Post by ramireja on Sept 10, 2020 16:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 13, 2020 21:21:51 GMT -5
Fangraphs Sunday Notes has a superb lead story regarding Seabold and how good his changeup is, also they interviewed him it seems: Seabold article
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 2, 2021 10:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 2, 2021 11:21:20 GMT -5
Have to see how well he holds that velocity in to games but that's encouraging news. Definitely seems like he's going to be an option in the rotation sooner rather than later. Even if he maxes out at 4 or 5 starter it'll be a big help to have him on a rookie salary.
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Post by manfred on Mar 2, 2021 11:51:50 GMT -5
Have to see how well he holds that velocity in to games but that's encouraging news. Definitely seems like he's going to be an option in the rotation sooner rather than later. Even if he maxes out at 4 or 5 starter it'll be a big help to have him on a rookie salary. Even if he sits at 91-92 he looks legit. If he can get 95-96 when he needs it, he could be at least a 4. He looks like someone who doesn’t rely on velocity... so it is an added bonus. I love guys who add a tick of velocity last. They learn to pitch, command, mixing... as opposed to guys who can rely on overwhelming guys at lower levels and aren’t pressed to develop plan B until later.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Mar 2, 2021 11:57:38 GMT -5
Even without the velocity readings, it definitely looked like he was rushing it up there pretty good and really overmatched a couple of the guys he faced with it. Good to see, even if he can’t keep that velocity while starting, at least we know we have the next Gagne😉.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 2, 2021 12:00:33 GMT -5
Have to see how well he holds that velocity in to games but that's encouraging news. Definitely seems like he's going to be an option in the rotation sooner rather than later. Even if he maxes out at 4 or 5 starter it'll be a big help to have him on a rookie salary. Even if he sits at 91-92 he looks legit. If he can get 95-96 when he needs it, he could be at least a 4. He looks like someone who doesn’t rely on velocity... so it is an added bonus. I love guys who add a tick of velocity last. They learn to pitch, command, mixing... as opposed to guys who can rely on overwhelming guys at lower levels and aren’t pressed to develop plan B until later. The video I saw on I think Bill Koch's twitter that Chris shared in the sox prospects Twitter feed of a change-up seabold threw was nasty looking. If he's got that pitch going like you said he'll be okay sitting in the low 90s.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 2, 2021 12:07:03 GMT -5
Even without the velocity readings, it definitely looked like he was rushing it up there pretty good and really overmatched a couple of the guys he faced with it. Good to see, even if he can’t keep that velocity while starting, at least we know we have the next Gagne😉. I think I speak for everyone in saying that we should relax with Eric Gagne comps haha.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 2, 2021 12:22:01 GMT -5
What will make him really effective are the identical release point for his pitches, and the command of those including that deadly change-up. Those two skills are gold. Moderating the velocity would be a big bonus, but it isn't absolutely necessary to his success.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 2, 2021 12:25:39 GMT -5
So based on 1) his stat lines, 2) his scouting report, 3) anecdotes like the quotes in this thread, and 4) what little video I've seen, I'm struggling to understand why I shouldn't be super excited about this guy.
Or to put it another way, why is his ceiling no higher than 'back-end starter'? Is it simply that he doesn't throw that hard? And I mean, maybe that's a fair enough reason, I'm just wondering if there are any other drawbacks to his game.
ADD: Like for example, the Kyle Hendricks comparison in the fangraphs article linked above is intriguing...
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 2, 2021 12:26:50 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if this is legit? It's been awhile now since Cora has been manager and I don't recall how much he fluffs up these things.
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Post by jdog2020 on Mar 2, 2021 14:06:40 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if this is legit? It's been awhile now since Cora has been manager and I don't recall how much he fluffs up these things.g He was definitely touching 94-95. Mind you, he was pitching two innings. His stuff is solid.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 2, 2021 16:29:19 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm if this is legit? It's been awhile now since Cora has been manager and I don't recall how much he fluffs up these things. He's not going to straight-up just lie about it. It's not like a team is going to trade for him based on what Alex Cora said - the teams share Statcast data now. As far as the back-end starter projection, that's based on a potential arsenal of a plus pitch and two average pitches. I'd need to see him hold this velocity in a much longer outing before bumping up the FB grade but he has a mid-rotation ceiling that becomes closer to his projection if the FB is more 93-94 than 91-92.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 2, 2021 16:43:59 GMT -5
Even without the velocity readings, it definitely looked like he was rushing it up there pretty good and really overmatched a couple of the guys he faced with it. Good to see, even if he can’t keep that velocity while starting, at least we know we have the next Gagne😉. I think I speak for everyone in saying that we should relax with Eric Gagne comps haha. Eric Gagne was great with the Dodgers, but crap with the Red Sox.... ERA - 6.75 WHIP - 1.875 ...still gives me shudders when I hear his name. Please use someone else as a comp....
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Post by southernredsoxality on Mar 2, 2021 16:45:43 GMT -5
Even without the velocity readings, it definitely looked like he was rushing it up there pretty good and really overmatched a couple of the guys he faced with it. Good to see, even if he can’t keep that velocity while starting, at least we know we have the next Gagne😉. I think I speak for everyone in saying that we should relax with Eric Gagne comps haha. You’re right, Eckersley is a much better comp anyway.
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Post by manfred on Mar 2, 2021 16:49:27 GMT -5
I think I speak for everyone in saying that we should relax with Eric Gagne comps haha. Eric Gagne was great with the Dodgers, but crap with the Red Sox.... ERA - 6.75 WHIP - 1.875 ...still gives me shudders when I hear his name. Please use someone else as a comp.... Well, Gagne also had, ahem, certain things going for him in parts of his career.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 2, 2021 16:58:39 GMT -5
Eric Gagne was great with the Dodgers, but crap with the Red Sox.... ERA - 6.75 WHIP - 1.875 ...still gives me shudders when I hear his name. Please use someone else as a comp.... Well, Gagne also had, ahem, certain things going for him in parts of his career. True enough !! ....but not as a Red Sox player...
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 2, 2021 16:59:47 GMT -5
Well, Gagne also had, ahem, certain things going for him in parts of his career. True enough !! ....but not as a Red Sox player... I also prefer Jet Downs to .... ak Jeter
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Mar 2, 2021 17:01:56 GMT -5
I think I speak for everyone in saying that we should relax with Eric Gagne comps haha. You’re right, Eckersley is a much better comp anyway. Eckersley 1978 ....20 wins as a Red Sox ....nice comparison
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Post by manfred on Mar 2, 2021 17:16:20 GMT -5
Well, Gagne also had, ahem, certain things going for him in parts of his career. True enough !! ....but not as a Red Sox player... Getting a look at him with the Sox — way too much of a look! — certainly made his Dodger achievements a tad suspicious, even before he fessed up.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Mar 3, 2021 6:36:52 GMT -5
The slider is what looked like a weapon now against RHB in his last spring training outing, too. To go along with his bugs bunny change up, Seabold seems like one of the best starting pitching prospects in the system.
Seabold is the easy bet to stick as a starter if you had to bet him versus anyone in the Sox system right now. Three pitches he can pitch effectively in any count against any batter. That plays when throwing multiple innings against multiple times throughout a batting order.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 3, 2021 10:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on May 3, 2021 11:29:49 GMT -5
don’t you put that evil on us
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 3, 2021 15:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on May 3, 2021 22:51:13 GMT -5
True enough !! ....but not as a Red Sox player... Getting a look at him with the Sox — way too much of a look! — certainly made his Dodger achievements a tad suspicious, even before he fessed up. At least the guy the Red Sox gave up for Gagne was no big loss...
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