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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 1, 2020 13:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by jkfer98 on Nov 1, 2020 13:14:18 GMT -5
If it isn’t Cora at this point the justification is going to be interesting.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 1, 2020 13:42:30 GMT -5
If it isn’t Cora at this point the justification is going to be interesting. They'll announce their decision 8pm Tuesday.
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Post by jl1947 on Nov 1, 2020 14:59:33 GMT -5
I suppose you're suggesting an unpopular decision, buried inside the day's frenzy.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 1, 2020 15:17:29 GMT -5
Sam Fuld is certainly an interesting candidate.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 1, 2020 16:12:48 GMT -5
If it isn’t Cora at this point the justification is going to be interesting. They'll announce their decision 8pm Tuesday. Nah, they'll announce it on Wed afternoon when nobody is too concerned about it and everybody is focused on a much bigger controversy. And when they announce it, I honestly don't think it'll be Cora. I can see it being Fuld. That's the guy who has a past connection with Bloom and I think that will override any connections Cora had prior to Bloom.
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Post by kevfc89 on Nov 1, 2020 16:42:49 GMT -5
I'd be pretty happy with them just bringing Cora back, but if not Sam Fuld seems like he could be another good young hire.
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Post by cba82 on Nov 1, 2020 18:34:57 GMT -5
I'd be pretty happy with them just bringing Cora back, but if not Sam Fuld seems like he could be another good young hire. Honestly, of the group of finalists, he’d be my last choice — his experience seems the least close to that of an MLB manager for a big market team; let the Tampa Bays and the Pittsburghs take a flier on that sort of hire. Local kid, though, and smart, and I always admired his hustle and how he made the most of his (limited) talent.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2020 21:03:58 GMT -5
I'd be pretty happy with them just bringing Cora back, but if not Sam Fuld seems like he could be another good young hire. Honestly, of the group of finalists, he’d be my last choice — his experience seems the least close to that of an MLB manager for a big market team; let the Tampa Bays and the Pittsburghs take a flier on that sort of hire. Local kid, though, and smart, and I always admired his hustle and how he made the most of his (limited) talent. He's also going to be the guy Bloom is most familiar with from their time working together in Tampa, for what it's worth. I also wouldn't discount his experience. He was the guy who was in charge of distilling the info from the analysts so that the coaching staff could use it, and going back to the analysts to tell them what information would be most helpful to the coaches. In the year 2020, that's probably more useful experience to become an MLB manager than most anything else you can do, including some spots on a major league coaching staff. He was basically both a coach and an analyst. It's not like it's his job as the manager to teach the players the game of baseball at the major league level. His job is to put his players in the best position to win. I'm not necessarily advocating for him, but I'm just saying that I don't think his not having held a proper MLB coaching post is something to ding him too much for given what he's been doing. He interviewed for the Jays job 2 years ago and apparently made a strong impression before removing himself from consideration. If you're talking about him versus someone that's got prior MLB managerial experience, then that's one thing, but comparing him with an MLB third base coach or something, it's entirely possible his experience is more relevant.
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 2, 2020 8:33:17 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 4, 2020 10:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 4, 2020 15:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 5, 2020 10:42:16 GMT -5
Heyman just said on MLBN that its likely down to Cora and Fuld.
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 5, 2020 10:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by ortiz34 on Nov 5, 2020 10:52:37 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Nov 5, 2020 11:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 5, 2020 11:11:28 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me. I think Bloom wants to start from scratch and build his way. I don't think he wants reminders of 2018, which to him, is the past, one he had nothing to do with. I don't think this is an ego thing for Bloom. My feeling has always been that he wants to build from scratch, not have the baggage that Cora brings, and truly start a new chapter, not try to rekindle 2018. 2018 is long gone (unfortunately) so I think Bloom will move on and hire Fuld despite ownership's desires. I don't think Bloom would have taken the job if he didn't feel he had a lot of leeway. He knew he was restricted going in, but he knows at some point he can do the job the way he feels is the right way.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 5, 2020 11:18:37 GMT -5
I don't think it is fair to say that Cora has the support of ....fans, and some players. Might be better to say... some fans, and some players.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 5, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -5
Alex Speier reporting it's actually 3 finalists, and that Mendoza isn't one of them.
I don't think it's that he doesn't want to be reminded of 2018. Who cares? I think it's more likely that he is uncomfortable with Cora for the reasons people here aren't, with a bit of wanting to build his own club probably thrown in. BUT, that said, we're all speculating.
I mean, look, having on your ledger "was involved in multiple investigations that cost my employers valuable resources and led to firings" is a pretty big mark in the "cons" column, right?
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Post by chr31ter on Nov 5, 2020 12:00:38 GMT -5
Apparently, there are some pretty serious people involved in a documentary that will come out at some point in 2021 regarding the Astros' cheating scandal.
And I think it's safe to say the current ownership group is somewhat PR conscious.
My question is this... what happens if something else or something more comes out about Cora's time in Houston? Maybe something that hasn't been previously discovered? Would they have to fire... er... mutually agree to part ways again? And wouldn't ownership look like bozos for rehiring Cora so quickly?
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 5, 2020 12:39:34 GMT -5
If Cora isn't the guy then I'm demanding a recount.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 5, 2020 12:47:28 GMT -5
My question is this... what happens if something else or something more comes out about Cora's time in Houston? Maybe something that hasn't been previously discovered? Would they have to fire... er... mutually agree to part ways again? And wouldn't ownership look like bozos for rehiring Cora so quickly? . MLB and Manfred would take a much bigger hit then Henry and Co. The Red Sox could easily plead they went off of MLBs report and that Cora had served his suspension per the report so no blood on their hands.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 5, 2020 12:59:00 GMT -5
I found myself thinking along the same lines. The Sox have to be working very closely with MLB and getting all the information available about what actually went down in Houston. The idea that they would be blindsided with new information doesn't fit the profile of either organization. It will come down to the comfort level with what the team does know about those details if Cora is to be the candidate.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 5, 2020 13:01:01 GMT -5
My question is this... what happens if something else or something more comes out about Cora's time in Houston? Maybe something that hasn't been previously discovered? Would they have to fire... er... mutually agree to part ways again? And wouldn't ownership look like bozos for rehiring Cora so quickly? . MLB and Manfred would take a much bigger hit then Henry and Co. The Red Sox could easily plead they went off of MLBs report and that Cora had served his suspension per the report so no blood on their hands. "When we re-hired Alex, we discussed what happened and felt comfortable moving forward with bringing him back, and we still feel that way." What new information could come out at this point that would materially change things? He threatened the staffers at gunpoint if they talked about talking to Crane? The report paints him as one of the masterminds of the scheme (along with the veteran player that happened to leave right after as well...), so it's not like his role will increase if something else comes out. If anything, there's a chance a neutral documentary portrays him as having a decreased role.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 5, 2020 14:54:59 GMT -5
Alex Speier reporting it's actually 3 finalists, and that Mendoza isn't one of them. I don't think it's that he doesn't want to be reminded of 2018. Who cares? I think it's more likely that he is uncomfortable with Cora for the reasons people here aren't, with a bit of wanting to build his own club probably thrown in. BUT, that said, we're all speculating. I mean, look, having on your ledger "was involved in multiple investigations that cost my employers valuable resources and led to firings" is a pretty big mark in the "cons" column, right? I'd still take Cora 10 out of 10 times. Players love the guy and he's a proven winner.
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