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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 16, 2020 13:30:44 GMT -5
I think the Mookie playoff stat stuff is interesting. He is such a difference maker on the diamond that is makes his career line more noticeable.
It is s a fair criticism, hope he can break out.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 16, 2020 15:30:35 GMT -5
The Rays are the 37th team in post-season history to go up 3 games to 0.
29 of the 37 teams swept.
5 of the teams lost game 4 and won game 5: the 1910 A's, the '37 Yankees, the '70 Orioles, the '16 Indians vs. the Jays, and the '17 Dodgers vs. the Cubs.
Only 2 teams previously have ever forced a game 6 after going down 3-0.
The 1999 Mets won games 4 and 5 before losing to the Braves in 6. The Braves then got swept by the Yankees.
You know the other one.
Edit: all three clubs won the first two at home. So the Rays are like the Braves and Yankees in having home field to win 1 game out of 2. Home field advantage in baseball is almost entirely scoring in the first inning (where the home starter can stay in a routine before he throws his first pitch, while the road starter has to sit and wait), and the Mistake in Tampa is not a park you can really suit your team to.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2020 15:38:26 GMT -5
Good move by the Braves on pitching matchups. By planning a bullpen game (or two) the Braves can start the World Series with the top of the rotation. The Rays on the other hand won't be able to use Glasnow or Snell in game 1.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 16, 2020 19:52:27 GMT -5
If the Astros pull off the full comeback, then making the world series 3 out of the last 4 world series is pretty legitimate, despite their illegitimate cheating scandal.
They're unofficially the Patriots of baseball. Winning despite losing draft picks (due to cheating), injuries (Verlander), and free agency (Gerrit Cole).
I'd be impressed and give them credit if they pull it off.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 16, 2020 20:38:25 GMT -5
If the Astros pull off the full comeback, then making the world series 3 out of the last 4 world series is pretty legitimate, despite their illegitimate cheating scandal. They're unofficially the Patriots of baseball. Winning despite losing draft picks (due to cheating), injuries (Verlander), and free agency (Gerrit Cole). I'd be impressed and give them credit if they pull it off. they will certainly be turning some heads if they can accomplish that. If they complete the comeback and go to World Series, and win it all, it will be the biggest FU of all time.
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Post by kman22 on Oct 16, 2020 20:51:42 GMT -5
If the Astros pull off the full comeback, then making the world series 3 out of the last 4 world series is pretty legitimate, despite their illegitimate cheating scandal. They're unofficially the Patriots of baseball. Winning despite losing draft picks (due to cheating), injuries (Verlander), and free agency (Gerrit Cole). I'd be impressed and give them credit if they pull it off. they will certainly be turning some heads if they can accomplish that. If they complete the comeback and go to World Series, and win it all, it will be the biggest FU of all time. A team with a losing record winning the world series is a bad look. A team that recently got busted for cheating would also be a bad look. The combination is a comical situation, so it almost seems destined to happen.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 16, 2020 21:05:13 GMT -5
they will certainly be turning some heads if they can accomplish that. If they complete the comeback and go to World Series, and win it all, it will be the biggest FU of all time. A team with a losing record winning the world series is a bad look. A team that recently got busted for cheating would also be a bad look. The combination is a comical situation, so it almost seems destined to happen. your right. even making the world series is not good for baseball in general. The whole dang thing is gonna be rehashed over and over.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2020 21:11:16 GMT -5
3-3 series now, what a disaster.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 16, 2020 21:12:25 GMT -5
they will certainly be turning some heads if they can accomplish that. If they complete the comeback and go to World Series, and win it all, it will be the biggest FU of all time. A team with a losing record winning the world series is a bad look. A team that recently got busted for cheating would also be a bad look. The combination is a comical situation, so it almost seems destined to happen. Go look up the Nationals first 60 games in 2019. It's just a 2020 thing, unless they keep the expanded playoffs. I'll be rooting for the Astros from here on out probably. Sometimes it's better to root for the villain. The Astros are a heck of a villain right now. One of the reasons why I liked the Patriots the past 20 years. Fans/analysts are just sick of seeing their faces in the superbowl. It's getting to be that way with the Astros. Shows the real valuable lesson here. There's no moral compass to winning. It's whether if you can pull it off or not. Feel good stories and good stories in general are always forgotten in the long run. The only thing that's permanent is the gold and the mark in history.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 16, 2020 21:28:19 GMT -5
Roberts got bailed out (great defensive play by Mookie), but there's gotta be someone better you can go to than Joe Kelly in the 3rd inning of an elimination game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 16, 2020 21:43:39 GMT -5
A team with a losing record winning the world series is a bad look. A team that recently got busted for cheating would also be a bad look. The combination is a comical situation, so it almost seems destined to happen. Go look up the Nationals first 60 games in 2019. It's just a 2020 thing, unless they keep the expanded playoffs. I'll be rooting for the Astros from here on out probably. Sometimes it's better to root for the villain. The Astros are a heck of a villain right now. One of the reasons why I liked the Patriots the past 20 years. Fans/analysts are just sick of seeing their faces in the superbowl. It's getting to be that way with the Astros. Shows the real valuable lesson here. There's no moral compass to winning. It's whether if you can pull it off or not. Feel good stories and good stories in general are always forgotten in the long run. The only thing that's permanent is the gold and the mark in history. Well, there is. Many ways of saying it when I was growing up. It's not whether you win or lose, it is how you played the game, for one. The larger point is that all of us are subject to opportunities to cheat, the question is where your moral compass points to. As a fan of baseball it isn't that important to me to get upset about. I am more concerned about how people may cheat during say...during an election. if I was a player, i would be very upset. It was pretty egregious stuff, well over the accepted level of cheating among the players.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2020 21:48:03 GMT -5
The Astros coming back from 0-3 and winning it all would be the most 2020 thing ever.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 16, 2020 21:55:44 GMT -5
Go look up the Nationals first 60 games in 2019. It's just a 2020 thing, unless they keep the expanded playoffs. I'll be rooting for the Astros from here on out probably. Sometimes it's better to root for the villain. The Astros are a heck of a villain right now. One of the reasons why I liked the Patriots the past 20 years. Fans/analysts are just sick of seeing their faces in the superbowl. It's getting to be that way with the Astros. Shows the real valuable lesson here. There's no moral compass to winning. It's whether if you can pull it off or not. Feel good stories and good stories in general are always forgotten in the long run. The only thing that's permanent is the gold and the mark in history. Well, there is. Many ways of saying it when I was growing up. It's not whether you win or lose, it is how you played the game, for one. The larger point is that all of us are subject to opportunities to cheat, the question is where your moral compass points to. As a fan of baseball it isn't that important to me to get upset about. I am more concerned about how people may cheat during say...during an election. if I was a player, i would be very upset. It was pretty egregious stuff, well over the accepted level of cheating among the players. Good points when it comes to elections versus sports. Lol ya, no doubt. One is very significant than the other. Meh to your other point, records are way more significant in terms of context versus the way the game is played. Especially in baseball. Cheating is a context thing in baseball anyways. The steroid era. The fact that everyone was abusing the replay room (not just the Sox and Astros. Release the letter on the Yankees already!). There was a football website stating everyteamcheats.com back in the day, just on football alone. Don't know if it still exists. Just my perspective.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2020 22:27:51 GMT -5
I predict Will Smith will win this battle.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 16, 2020 22:30:25 GMT -5
Will Smith is really good. But Will Smith stinks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 16, 2020 22:30:31 GMT -5
Just as predicted.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 16, 2020 22:58:07 GMT -5
Mookie's having a good game, and Seager is just a beast. Looks like the Dodgers will make it to tomorrow.
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Post by jkfer98 on Oct 17, 2020 0:01:50 GMT -5
Man I hope Tampa can put a stop to this tomorrow. I enjoy having the distinction of being the only team to come back from down 0-3.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2020 6:21:23 GMT -5
Fried/Buehler McCullers/Morton
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Post by semperfisox on Oct 17, 2020 7:22:29 GMT -5
Rays offense is hot garbage.
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Post by unitspin on Oct 17, 2020 7:58:04 GMT -5
3-3 series now, what a disaster. Hopefully kevin cash does not blow it. They could have wrapped this up in game 4.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 17, 2020 8:55:07 GMT -5
This is sad. What the 2004 Red Sox did against an awesome Yankees team was historic. This Rays offense is actually mediocre, sss season notwithstanding.
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Post by manfred on Oct 17, 2020 18:01:42 GMT -5
Mookie now has a sub-.700 OPS in 30 career playoff games. Still changes games with his glove. He has made two potentially game changing plays this series. If he does break out in game 7 (if there is one), he’ll have been worth what they gave.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 17, 2020 18:59:16 GMT -5
Mookie now has a sub-.700 OPS in 30 career playoff games. Still changes games with his glove. He has made two potentially game changing plays this series. If he does break out in game 7 (if there is one), he’ll have been worth what they gave. Never said he doesn't excel in other aspects of the game. I noted earlier that he made a few big defensive plays for us in the 2018 run; throwing out Kemp trying to stretch a double immediately comes to mind. Nor am I suggesting he won't hit going forward, just that he hasn't thus far in a good number of postseason games. Dodgers force a game 7, should be fun.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2020 20:01:32 GMT -5
11 pitches for Morton in the first, 30 for McCullers.
Did anyone see Arozarena coming ?
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