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2020-21 Non-Red Sox Offseason Thread
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Post by gk2186 on Feb 15, 2021 14:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by marrcus on Feb 15, 2021 16:26:49 GMT -5
On-off-now on again talks between the Cubs/Mets for 3b Bryant supposedly heating up after some statements from Bryant according to SCORE-670 Chi.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 15, 2021 20:47:07 GMT -5
Pillar to Mets surely ends there interest in JBJ
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 15, 2021 20:56:59 GMT -5
They're stocking up on centerfielders, but they left Bradley on the shelf.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2021 21:15:51 GMT -5
With guys like JBJ, Odorizzi, and others, you've got to wonder if their contract demands are still too high.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 15, 2021 21:45:24 GMT -5
That may be part of the thinking. There's still uncertainty with the pandemic, that has to play into the risk calculations. Tough time for players. Bradley could easily have expected a 4 to 5 year contract at a good but not exorbitant salary in a typical year. Not much typical these days.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 15, 2021 23:16:09 GMT -5
They're stocking up on centerfielders, but they left Bradley on the shelf. They're stocking up on centerfielders, but they left Bradley Boras on the shelf.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 15, 2021 23:22:36 GMT -5
5$ Plus an option for pillar. JBJ still should get 3/27
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 15, 2021 23:30:00 GMT -5
5$ Plus an option for pillar. JBJ still should get 3/27 He’s probably asking for 5/60.
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Post by unitspin on Feb 16, 2021 5:29:55 GMT -5
I've been pretty consistent about jbj he wanted 3@36 per reports earlier in free agency, he is not worth that. He has over-valued himself. Now he is left with maybe 2-3 teams that had mild interest in him. Hope bloom doesn't cave and hamstring us with jbj for 3 yrs.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 16, 2021 12:53:17 GMT -5
5$ Plus an option for pillar. JBJ still should get 3/27 He’s probably asking for 5/60. That Pillar sign should take out the Mets for good now and I thought it was a reasonable deal he got, one wouldn't have minded Boston doing earlier in the offseason before they got so close to the tax line. He's not the type to approach/go over for of course. So how bad did Boras overplay his hand here? Houston is left. Will they even go as high as 3/27m? could Boras get anyone else interested if that's all the Astros offered, or say 3/21m? Boras takes it personal when is slighted, no issues holding "his" people out for money thinks can get, even if it does not come and has to settle in May/June for 1y pro rated deal. Happened before. One to feel sorry for in all of this is Bradley, who seemed like a nice guy all those years and has gotten terrible advice all winter.
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Post by manfred on Feb 16, 2021 13:10:36 GMT -5
He’s probably asking for 5/60. That Pillar sign should take out the Mets for good now and I thought it was a reasonable deal he got, one wouldn't have minded Boston doing earlier in the offseason before they got so close to the tax line. He's not the type to approach/go over for of course. So how bad did Boras overplay his hand here? Houston is left. Will they even go as high as 3/27m? could Boras get anyone else interested if that's all the Astros offered, or say 3/21m? Boras takes it personal when is slighted, no issues holding "his" people out for money thinks can get, even if it does not come and has to settle in May/June for 1y pro rated deal. Happened before. One to feel sorry for in all of this is Bradley, who seemed like a nice guy all those years and has gotten terrible advice all winter. The Giants seemed to indicate they were done, but they also look like they have Dubon in CF. They were “linked” (all necessary salt) to JBJ earlier. I wonder if Boras can squeeze enough interest out of the Giants and Astros to keep JBJ from a total hosing. The thing is, Boras might have gotten JBJ’s hopes up, but we don’t even know if he’s passed on offers he’ll regret. That is, there is a huge difference between saying we want four years and then waiting... and we want 4 years, getting, say, an offer of 2/$20 mill and *passing* only to end up with even less. So he might have gotten bad hype... or he might have gotten very costly advice.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2021 13:22:59 GMT -5
If Bradley gets something closer to what he wants on, say, Friday than he would have 2.5 months ago, it's worth it. I don't think he's in "poor JBJ" zone yet. Signing during ST isn't necessarily a terrible thing if you get what you want out of it.
And as we've said before, the agent works for the player. The player hires Boras knowing what he's getting into.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 16, 2021 13:28:07 GMT -5
Isn't Philly still the most logical landing spot for JBJ?
In any event, perhaps we should see what sort of contract he signs before judging whether he got terrible advice or not. My guess at the beginning of the off-season was that he'd get 2/18 or something like that, which seems close to the consensus. Maybe Boras hyped things up a bit to the point where people were speculating about a 3/36 type deal or something, but if he ends up signing for 2/18 after all that doesn't mean Boras did his job poorly; it probably just means that was his market all along.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2021 13:51:26 GMT -5
Isn't Philly still the most logical landing spot for JBJ? In any event, perhaps we should see what sort of contract he signs before judging whether he got terrible advice or not. My guess at the beginning of the off-season was that he'd get 2/18 or something like that, which seems close to the consensus. Maybe Boras hyped things up a bit to the point where people were speculating about a 3/36 type deal or something, but if he ends up signing for 2/18 after all that doesn't mean Boras did his job poorly; it probably just means that was his market all along. I had JBJ going to Houston but I don't think that happens. I had him going to the Mets, but for some weird reason the Mets, other than making that deal with the Indians, have struck out on a lot of free agents. But Philly? This sort of reminds me of the JD Martinez where Dombrowski figured he'd be the last man standing and he'd get the best bargain he could. I think he's doing that with JBJ. He'll give JBJ enough money to "save face" but not what he was seeking, which is what happened with JDM, who still got a nice deal, but not the $30 million/year or so that he wanted. Plus the Phils really need a CF. It's a perfect fit for them. Him being there for 3 years won't mess up any of their plans. Really the Sox don't need JBJ for more than a year, even if they need him that long.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 16, 2021 14:02:47 GMT -5
Isn't Philly still the most logical landing spot for JBJ? In any event, perhaps we should see what sort of contract he signs before judging whether he got terrible advice or not. My guess at the beginning of the off-season was that he'd get 2/18 or something like that, which seems close to the consensus. Maybe Boras hyped things up a bit to the point where people were speculating about a 3/36 type deal or something, but if he ends up signing for 2/18 after all that doesn't mean Boras did his job poorly; it probably just means that was his market all along. I had JBJ going to Houston but I don't think that happens. I had him going to the Mets, but for some weird reason the Mets, other than making that deal with the Indians, have struck out on a lot of free agents. But Philly? This sort of reminds me of the JD Martinez where Dombrowski figured he'd be the last man standing and he'd get the best bargain he could. I think he's doing that with JBJ. He'll give JBJ enough money to "save face" but not what he was seeking, which is what happened with JDM, who still got a nice deal, but not the $30 million/year or so that he wanted. Plus the Phils really need a CF. It's a perfect fit for them. Him being there for 3 years won't mess up any of their plans. Really the Sox don't need JBJ for more than a year, even if they need him that long. I still feel queasy about putting so many chips on Duran succeeding in the major leagues. It makes me feel both better and worse that the Red Sox themselves seem willing to make that bet.
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Post by manfred on Feb 16, 2021 14:06:06 GMT -5
I had JBJ going to Houston but I don't think that happens. I had him going to the Mets, but for some weird reason the Mets, other than making that deal with the Indians, have struck out on a lot of free agents. But Philly? This sort of reminds me of the JD Martinez where Dombrowski figured he'd be the last man standing and he'd get the best bargain he could. I think he's doing that with JBJ. He'll give JBJ enough money to "save face" but not what he was seeking, which is what happened with JDM, who still got a nice deal, but not the $30 million/year or so that he wanted. Plus the Phils really need a CF. It's a perfect fit for them. Him being there for 3 years won't mess up any of their plans. Really the Sox don't need JBJ for more than a year, even if they need him that long. I still feel queasy about putting so many chips on Duran succeeding in the major leagues. It makes me feel both better and worse that the Red Sox themselves seem willing to make that bet. That bet is down. He is by far the closest OF in the system to ready, and the current OF is not loaded with long-termers. Verdugo. In the chance Cordero makes contact. But that means Duran is going to be the guy now or next year. So pressing him now emphasizes the “now” not the “pressing” — that is it is a time issue not a pressure issue.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 16, 2021 15:40:18 GMT -5
Isn't Philly still the most logical landing spot for JBJ? In any event, perhaps we should see what sort of contract he signs before judging whether he got terrible advice or not. My guess at the beginning of the off-season was that he'd get 2/18 or something like that, which seems close to the consensus. Maybe Boras hyped things up a bit to the point where people were speculating about a 3/36 type deal or something, but if he ends up signing for 2/18 after all that doesn't mean Boras did his job poorly; it probably just means that was his market all along. I thought when DD was hired there may be some push by him to sign Bradley, but we heard nothing. Everyone remembers how much of a fan of his DD was at one time. As the cpl months have gone by.. We've heard nothing linking JBJ to Philly.. I've thought to myself DD soured on him while he was in Boston, or Maybe the asking price initially scared him away and he went about construction the Philly roster, spending middleton's money elsewhere.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 16, 2021 15:42:56 GMT -5
While we've certainly seen some good deals for teams and a bunch of guys still haven't signed. I'd say overall this has been much more like a regular off-season for players. Like the last few, than the crazy bad doom and gloom it could have been.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 16, 2021 18:29:13 GMT -5
I've been pretty consistent about jbj he wanted 3@36 per reports earlier in free agency, he is not worth that. He has over-valued himself. Now he is left with maybe 2-3 teams that had mild interest in him. Hope bloom doesn't cave and hamstring us with jbj for 3 yrs. For the past six years, over the course of 709 games, Bradley has accumulated a bit of value. His average 140 game season has been worth about $25 million. That's more than enough to cover a salary at 40% of that total. He's won lots of games for the team, with his bat and his glove.
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Post by bosox on Feb 16, 2021 19:30:06 GMT -5
Looks like Travis Shaw may be coming off the board and won't be an option for the Sox.
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Post by unitspin on Feb 16, 2021 20:02:15 GMT -5
I've been pretty consistent about jbj he wanted 3@36 per reports earlier in free agency, he is not worth that. He has over-valued himself. Now he is left with maybe 2-3 teams that had mild interest in him. Hope bloom doesn't cave and hamstring us with jbj for 3 yrs. For the past six years, over the course of 709 games, Bradley has accumulated a bit of value. His average 140 game season has been worth about $25 million. That's more than enough to cover a salary at 40% of that total. He's won lots of games for the team, with his bat and his glove. But yet he is still a free agent.
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Post by manfred on Feb 16, 2021 20:08:41 GMT -5
For the past six years, over the course of 709 games, Bradley has accumulated a bit of value. His average 140 game season has been worth about $25 million. That's more than enough to cover a salary at 40% of that total. He's won lots of games for the team, with his bat and his glove. But yet he is still a free agent. I am not sure being a free agent in mid-February is proof that you have been overrated and don’t deserve to be signed or are on Santa’s naught list. We’ll see where and for how much he goes. But no matter what happens it doesn’t reflect what he’s done for us. I know people get annoyed by my returning to Mookie or Beni or JBJ, but partly it is because I hate to see them go and partly it is I hate HOW they go — with people dumping on them one way or another on the way out. It is fine to say we shouldn’t sign JBJ. I’m 1/2 there. But don’t kick him on the way out the door. Thank him for what he’s done and wish him well.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 16, 2021 20:10:15 GMT -5
For the past six years, over the course of 709 games, Bradley has accumulated a bit of value. His average 140 game season has been worth about $25 million. That's more than enough to cover a salary at 40% of that total. He's won lots of games for the team, with his bat and his glove. But yet he is still a free agent. There's still uncertainty with the pandemic, that has to play into the risk calculations. Tough time for players. Bradley could easily have expected a 4 to 5 year contract at a good but not exorbitant salary in a typical year. Not much typical these days.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 16, 2021 20:30:51 GMT -5
Sorry if this fits better into the “Let’s go Shopping” thread, but in light of the recent talk of JBJ market cratering on this thread:
If JBJ comes to Bloom shit out of luck, market cratered, and asks for 1/8 with a player option that could make it worth 2/16: Who on here thinks the Sox should do that deal?
Probably a low AAV estimate but I think the conflicting value propositions of the two sides (staying under CBT vs JBJ at a pretty good value) are pretty interesting, especially if you start playing the “can we do that and still dip under at the trade deadline” game in your head.
For reference that would put the Sox $5M over not including incentives (not completely sure how incentives are counted against CBT).
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