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Post by foreverred9 on Feb 16, 2021 20:36:23 GMT -5
For the past six years, over the course of 709 games, Bradley has accumulated a bit of value. His average 140 game season has been worth about $25 million. That's more than enough to cover a salary at 40% of that total. He's won lots of games for the team, with his bat and his glove. But yet he is still a free agent. So were Bryce Harper and Manny Machado this time two years ago.
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Post by bosox on Feb 16, 2021 21:12:50 GMT -5
Appears to be a minor league deal for Travis Shaw.
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Post by unitspin on Feb 16, 2021 21:21:52 GMT -5
But yet he is still a free agent. So were Bryce Harper and Manny Machado this time two years ago. So jbj is in the same book as machado and harper?
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:29 GMT -5
So were Bryce Harper and Manny Machado this time two years ago. So jbj is in the same book as machado and harper? In relative I would say so. I think all experts expected JBJ to be 2/3 years at 7-10M$. No reason to think he won’t be in there somewhere.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2021 8:02:23 GMT -5
So were Bryce Harper and Manny Machado this time two years ago. So jbj is in the same book as machado and harper? No. Your point is he stinks and you used the fact that he's a free agent to support that claim. The response correctly and succinctly points out that there's no correlation between the two.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 17, 2021 8:02:57 GMT -5
Interesting comment from Will Middlebrooks. They did come up in the minors together, so possibly talking from private conversations with Jackie, but he never tells how he knows this
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 17, 2021 8:05:33 GMT -5
Interesting, but if a team talks to Boras and is told his client is looking for at least 4 years and not to bother with anything shorter (or something, the specifics aren't important), then yeah, he's not going to have any offers, even if teams are interested.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 17, 2021 8:23:42 GMT -5
Will also mentioned that Jackie should be shooting for a 4 year deal to give him 10 years in the majors which would get him the MLB Pension, which is a very big deal for players. And it would be tough to get another 2-3 year deal in the future to hit that goal.
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2021 9:13:46 GMT -5
Will also mentioned that Jackie should be shooting for a 4 year deal to give him 10 years in the majors which would get him the MLB Pension, which is a very big deal for players. And it would be tough to get another 2-3 year deal in the future to hit that goal. I love Jackie. Hey, man, I love everyone. But, uh, once you’ve made $25 million in your career, pensions seem like they should be unnecessary.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 17, 2021 9:29:05 GMT -5
Will also mentioned that Jackie should be shooting for a 4 year deal to give him 10 years in the majors which would get him the MLB Pension, which is a very big deal for players. And it would be tough to get another 2-3 year deal in the future to hit that goal. I love Jackie. Hey, man, I love everyone. But, uh, once you’ve made $25 million in your career, pensions seem like they should be unnecessary. I don't know, if things go completely sideways in your life a guaranteed $100,000-$200,000 year is a pretty nice fall back.
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2021 9:38:19 GMT -5
I love Jackie. Hey, man, I love everyone. But, uh, once you’ve made $25 million in your career, pensions seem like they should be unnecessary. I don't know, if things go completely sideways in your life a guaranteed $100,000-$200,000 year is a pretty nice fall back. Yeah. I guess for 99.9% of the world it is kind of inconceivable.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 17, 2021 10:27:10 GMT -5
I don't know, if things go completely sideways in your life a guaranteed $100,000-$200,000 year is a pretty nice fall back. Yeah. I guess for 99.9% of the world it is kind of inconceivable. How many stories do we hear about pro athletes going broke even during their careers? Not saying Jackie would fall into that pool but one never knows.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 17, 2021 10:31:32 GMT -5
Yeah. I guess for 99.9% of the world it is kind of inconceivable. How many stories do we hear about pro athletes going broke even during their careers? Not saying Jackie would fall into that pool but one never knows. Seems unlikely a guy would be profligate enough to blow an 8-figure fortune but be enough of a savvy financial planner to shape his contract demands around a future pension benefit...
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Post by unitspin on Feb 17, 2021 10:41:49 GMT -5
So jbj is in the same book as machado and harper? No. Your point is he stinks and you used the fact that he's a free agent to support that claim. The response correctly and succinctly points out that there's no correlation between the two. No my point was he over values himself and ran off the cpl teams that could have offered long term deals to him. Id take him back on a 1yr @8 but his ego wouldn't let him take that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 17, 2021 10:42:08 GMT -5
How many stories do we hear about pro athletes going broke even during their careers? Not saying Jackie would fall into that pool but one never knows. Seems unlikely a guy would be profligate enough to blow an 8-figure fortune but be enough of a savvy financial planner to shape his contract demands around a future pension benefit... Unlikely yes, impossible no. All I'm saying is nothing surprises me when it comes to people and their money, especially pro athletes.
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Post by incandenza on Feb 17, 2021 10:43:35 GMT -5
Seems unlikely a guy would be profligate enough to blow an 8-figure fortune but be enough of a savvy financial planner to shape his contract demands around a future pension benefit... Unlikely yes, impossible no. All I'm saying is nothing surprises me when it comes to people and their money, especially pro athletes. Fair enough!
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2021 12:46:16 GMT -5
Unlikely yes, impossible no. All I'm saying is nothing surprises me when it comes to people and their money, especially pro athletes. Fair enough! It does happen... but it is shocking. Just keep him away from Jordan, and he should be ok.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 17, 2021 13:25:01 GMT -5
I don't know, if things go completely sideways in your life a guaranteed $100,000-$200,000 year is a pretty nice fall back. Yeah. I guess for 99.9% of the world it is kind of inconceivable. $25,000,000 for a pro athlete is less than one might think. Sure it’s still a lot of $. But take your agent fees and high unsheltered tax and you are to half. Factor in that all you have done is play this game. These guys don’t always have a fallback or second option. You also have a second home to pay for. Then comes the expectation of being a pro athlete. This comes with spending money. Whether it’s buying tickets for friends, rounds of drinks( except For Manny), gifts for family or a new cars, boats and other toys or a house for you parents. I’m not saying that I feel sorry for athletes. Sure they are payed lots of money. In fact probably grossly overpaid. But for you average pro athlete they don’t end up with as much cash at the end of a career than many people believe.
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2021 13:31:27 GMT -5
Yeah. I guess for 99.9% of the world it is kind of inconceivable. $25,000,000 for a pro athlete is less than one might think. Sure it’s still a lot of $. But take your agent fees and high unsheltered tax and you are to half. Factor in that all you have done is play this game. These guys don’t always have a fallback or second option. You also have a second home to pay for. Then comes the expectation of being a pro athlete. This comes with spending money. Whether it’s buying tickets for friends, rounds of drinks( except For Manny), gifts for family or a new cars, boats and other toys or a house for you parents. I’m not saying that I feel sorry for athletes. Sure they are payed lots of money. In fact probably grossly overpaid. But for you average pro athlete they don’t end up with as much cash at the end of a career than many people believe. I know. And I don’t begrudge guys anything. I just figure that when you are looking to get a 4-5 year contract that will be worth, $30 mill, I doubt the pension is a huge factor. Maybe I’m wrong (I’m sure their pensions are far more than I make in a year). But... what is it, like half of NFL players who are broke 3 years out of the league (obviously different because many don’t make that much, but....)
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Post by foreverred9 on Feb 17, 2021 16:46:26 GMT -5
No. Your point is he stinks and you used the fact that he's a free agent to support that claim. The response correctly and succinctly points out that there's no correlation between the two. No my point was he over values himself and ran off the cpl teams that could have offered long term deals to him. Id take him back on a 1yr @8 but his ego wouldn't let him take that. Look, we're going to go back and forth on this and it doesn't feel like we're ever going to get to an agreement. Where I think we can agree is that (1) JBJ is seeking a deal in the 3-4 year range within the 10-15M per year range and (2) teams have not met those terms. If JBJ is willing to risk it and hold out longer to see if teams end up budging, that's his right. He might be more willing to take the risk than say someone else who wanted to lock in early. I look at this like the Gamestop situation. Some folks who were more risk-averse might have sold as it got to $200 to lock in a win. Others who are more risk-tolerant held, some got lucky and sold at $300 while others didn't pull the plug quick enough and are now holding a $50 stock. Your opinion is that JBJ is going to get stuck with the $50 stock, others believe that he still has a chance at that $300 stock. Let's not waste our time debating uncertainty. You might end up being right, but at this point we just don't know with any certainty which is right.
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Post by blizzards39 on Feb 17, 2021 16:53:38 GMT -5
No my point was he over values himself and ran off the cpl teams that could have offered long term deals to him. Id take him back on a 1yr @8 but his ego wouldn't let him take that. Look, we're going to go back and forth on this and it doesn't feel like we're ever going to get to an agreement. Where I think we can agree is that (1) JBJ is seeking a deal in the 3-4 year range within the 10-15M per year range and (2) teams have not met those terms. If JBJ is willing to risk it and hold out longer to see if teams end up budging, that's his right. He might be more willing to take the risk than say someone else who wanted to lock in early. I look at this like the Gamestop situation. Some folks who were more risk-averse might have sold as it got to $200 to lock in a win. Others who are more risk-tolerant held, some got lucky and sold at $300 while others didn't pull the plug quick enough and are now holding a $50 stock. Your opinion is that JBJ is going to get stuck with the $50 stock, others believe that he still has a chance at that $300 stock. Let's not waste our time debating uncertainty. You might end up being right, but at this point we just don't know with any certainty which is right. $45.62
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 17, 2021 18:07:52 GMT -5
Put the Roenicke news in a different thread.
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Post by manfred on Feb 17, 2021 20:01:50 GMT -5
Tebow retires in a shocker! I think that guy was sooooooo close!
(Can’t italicize).
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 17, 2021 20:39:58 GMT -5
BREAKING: Fernando Tatis Jr. and the San Diego Padres are in agreement on a 14-year, $340 million contract extension, according to sources familiar with the deal.
Robert Murray (@byrobertmurray)
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 17, 2021 20:59:41 GMT -5
That's not a particularly high AAV, all things considered, for one of the best players on earth. And it gives them a lot of cost certainty in his younger years for them to build around him. Obviously an injury could cause it to be a really rough deal for them, but he's a wonderful player to root for and I'd be happy if I was a Padres fan.
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