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ianrs
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Post by ianrs on Dec 28, 2020 3:31:29 GMT -5
Another terrible Tatum iso to end the game, another L. Lucky we aren't 0-3. Tatum needs to learn to finish at the rim and we need to learn how to actually run offense in crunch time or we're a first round out this year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 28, 2020 7:49:39 GMT -5
I didn’t see the game - I’d rather focus on the positive. How did Pritchard look? His line is obviously good.
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Post by ianrs on Dec 28, 2020 8:48:07 GMT -5
I didn’t see the game - I’d rather focus on the positive. How did Pritchard look? His line is obviously good. Thats a good attitude. Pritchard looks very solid with the floor of an above average backup. Hit a deeeep 3 and played pesky defense. Hes a microwave scorer even if hes not a great playmaker. Getting better each game. Definitely better than Teague at this point in Teague's career imo. Timelord also was a revelation. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 28, 2020 11:48:57 GMT -5
I get why Stevens is starting Thompson and Theis, yet it's a huge problem. Teams best depth is center and they can't play together because you can't play multiple non scorers in today's NBA.
You got to see a glimpse of Robert Williams upside as a monster defender. He made more impactful plays than any game I can remember.
Pritchard looked good besides that one stupid turnover that went the other way for an easy basket. I'd seriously consider starting him.
Teague has been as expected. You get nights were he looks like prime Teague and then games when he looks a lot worse.
Grant Williams trying post moves, yet getting his shot blocked. He needs to adjust and keep doing it.
Nesmith needs to play. Williams and Semi might be better defenders, yet this team needs offense.
It's about what you'd expect, without Walker and Langford, along with no Hayward you are basically hoping two rookies can give you offense. It's not coming from Grant and Semi, that's for sure.
I'd also like to know what happened to Green, who went from starting preseason games to not playing.
Oh yeah I loved Brown attacking and not just settling for three's all game long.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 28, 2020 17:57:51 GMT -5
I get why Stevens is starting Thompson and Theis, yet it's a huge problem. Teams best depth is center and they can't play together because you can't play multiple non scorers in today's NBA. You got to see a glimpse of Robert Williams upside as a monster defender. He made more impactful plays than any game I can remember. Pritchard looked good besides that one stupid turnover that went the other way for an easy basket. I'd seriously consider starting him. Teague has been as expected. You get nights were he looks like prime Teague and then games when he looks a lot worse. Grant Williams trying post moves, yet getting his shot blocked. He needs to adjust and keep doing it. Nesmith needs to play. Williams and Semi might be better defenders, yet this team needs offense. It's about what you'd expect, without Walker and Langford, along with no Hayward you are basically hoping two rookies can give you offense. It's not coming from Grant and Semi, that's for sure. I'd also like to know what happened to Green, who went from starting preseason games to not playing. Oh yeah I loved Brown attacking and not just settling for three's all game long. I completely agree with everything here. Especially the first point. Also, I think Thompson is just better than Theis. He has more F*ck you about him. And if Rob plays like he did last night, he is the Celtics’ best big. |
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Post by cdj on Dec 28, 2020 18:39:39 GMT -5
Yeah if they can bottle up the TimeLord from last night and have him for 20-25 min a night that’s gonna be awfully useful. He even kinda almost recovered after the bad communication on the last Sabonis play but Sabonis is too good when he’s got the ball down there. Altogether one of his best nights in the league tho imo
He makes Theis expendable if he keeps playing like that
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Post by ianrs on Dec 29, 2020 6:07:24 GMT -5
Yeah if they can bottle up the TimeLord from last night and have him for 20-25 min a night that’s gonna be awfully useful. He even kinda almost recovered after the bad communication on the last Sabonis play but Sabonis is too good when he’s got the ball down there. Altogether one of his best nights in the league tho imo He makes Theis expendable if he keeps playing like that Yes, I think we need to trade Theis and get value for him since someone will give him a bag. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2020 9:58:07 GMT -5
I get why Stevens is starting Thompson and Theis, yet it's a huge problem. Teams best depth is center and they can't play together because you can't play multiple non scorers in today's NBA. You got to see a glimpse of Robert Williams upside as a monster defender. He made more impactful plays than any game I can remember. Pritchard looked good besides that one stupid turnover that went the other way for an easy basket. I'd seriously consider starting him. Teague has been as expected. You get nights were he looks like prime Teague and then games when he looks a lot worse. Grant Williams trying post moves, yet getting his shot blocked. He needs to adjust and keep doing it. Nesmith needs to play. Williams and Semi might be better defenders, yet this team needs offense. It's about what you'd expect, without Walker and Langford, along with no Hayward you are basically hoping two rookies can give you offense. It's not coming from Grant and Semi, that's for sure. I'd also like to know what happened to Green, who went from starting preseason games to not playing. Oh yeah I loved Brown attacking and not just settling for three's all game long. I completely agree with everything here. Especially the first point. Also, I think Thompson is just better than Theis. He has more F*ck you about him. And if Rob plays like he did last night, he is the Celtics’ best big. It's only three games, yet Robert Williams easily has the best defensive rating at 107, Thompson is 120, Theis is 119. Thompson is much more physical, yet can he limit others scoring in the paint like Theis did last year? I've yet to see that and that's what made Theis so good. In today's NBA limiting easy baskets in the paint matters, go look at what Turner did for the Pacers. He's not a crazy physical guy, yet blocked five shots. The result was at one point the Pacers had a 2 to 1 advantage on points in the paint. Yet if Robert Williams keeps this up, it's really a mute point and maybe you trade Theis to get a guy who can score. A guy you can play next to Thompson and Williams. Theis has to have a good amount of value given what he did last year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 29, 2020 10:16:18 GMT -5
Thompson is new to the team, had no camp and preseason and the 2 big lineup is brand new. I wouldn’t draw any conclusions at this point.
The only conclusions I’d draw at this point are:
1. Tatum needs to drive to the hoop - especially late in games.
2. Pritchard needs to keep getting minutes
3. Nesmith needs to be a regular in the rotation.
It’s very frustrating that Brad admits that Thompson and Theis need time together to make that work so he’s willing to deal with the growing pains but he’s not with Nesmith.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2020 10:32:47 GMT -5
The only way Thompson and Theis work is if Theis did what he did in the Bucks game and nails some three's. Even then Teague had to go off for it to work, now insert Walker for Smart and it might work. Granted Walker is fairly healthy and can score. It's crazy thinking in today's NBA that your third, fourth and fifth scorers can be Smart, Theis and Thompson. That's putting too much pressure on Brown and Tatum. Especially when you have Smart playing PG and not SG. I don't see how more time fixes that. That's a 90's, early 2000 lineup when the goal was to hold teams under a 100 points, yet they also had different rules that allowed you to play more physical.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2020 10:47:10 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried about Nesmith basically not playing. I get short camp, yet he wasn't seen as a crazy raw guy and Pritchard is playing. Even when Brown was raw they found ways to get him minutes. To make matters worse we are currently down two players, both who could effect his minutes when they return.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 29, 2020 13:14:32 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried about Nesmith basically not playing. I get short camp, yet he wasn't seen as a crazy raw guy and Pritchard is playing. Even when Brown was raw they found ways to get him minutes. To make matters worse we are currently down two players, both who could effect his minutes when they return. I’m less worried about what it says about Nesmith and more worried about what it says about Stevens. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2020 14:24:25 GMT -5
I'm starting to get worried about Nesmith basically not playing. I get short camp, yet he wasn't seen as a crazy raw guy and Pritchard is playing. Even when Brown was raw they found ways to get him minutes. To make matters worse we are currently down two players, both who could effect his minutes when they return. I’m less worried about what it says about Nesmith and more worried about what it says about Stevens. Which is what? The guy plays rookies if they are ready, it's a long list. Only the raw not ready guys like Robert Williams and Langford struggle to get playing time. It's telling me Nesmith is currently horrible on D and more raw than advertised. You don't have to be a great defender, yet you have to be able to play team D. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 29, 2020 14:35:23 GMT -5
I’m less worried about what it says about Nesmith and more worried about what it says about Stevens. Which is what? The guy plays rookies if they are ready, it's a long list. Only the raw not ready guys like Robert Williams and Langford struggle to get playing time. It's telling me Nesmith is currently horrible on D and more raw than advertised. You don't have to be a great defender, yet you have to be able to play team D. Right, do we expect a guy like Nesmith not to be raw on D? Of course he is, like you said with Williams, let him play thru it. |
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 29, 2020 16:29:02 GMT -5
I think it has to do with Nesmith being a mess on D. That’s not unique for rookies, but he does seem to have a bit more work on that end than the likes of Pritchard this year and Grant last year.
The criticism re: Stevens and young players that I think is fair is how he seems to have completely different sets of rules and standards for young players than he does for veterans. I get being harder on young players and having shorter leashes to try to break down bad habits/build up good habits, but his approach seems inconsistent. For instance, he seemed to be a lot harder on guys like Jaylen and Rob Williams than he was with Tatum and Grant Williams, and it was never clear why.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 29, 2020 17:17:45 GMT -5
Which is what? The guy plays rookies if they are ready, it's a long list. Only the raw not ready guys like Robert Williams and Langford struggle to get playing time. It's telling me Nesmith is currently horrible on D and more raw than advertised. You don't have to be a great defender, yet you have to be able to play team D. Right, do we expect a guy like Nesmith not to be raw on D? Of course he is, like you said with Williams, let him play thru it. There's just different levels. Robert Williams is still kinda raw in that he needs playing time and can make some stupid mistakes. He's not Robert Williams rookie raw, which basically was him not having a clue, looking lost. Like Robert Williams understands our team D and what he needs to do. If Nesmith doesn't yet grasp our team D, then he won't play many minutes till he does. Which is worrying me, he was billed as more of a ready day one guy like Grant and Pritchard, yet he's being treated more like Langford/ Williams. Heck it's even worse given the huge need we currently have. It might not mean anything long-term, yet I thought he'd get some minutes nightly from day one. |
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Post by philarhody on Dec 29, 2020 20:38:29 GMT -5
Theis playing like garbage. No idea why he’s playing. He’s been the Celtics worst big in their rotation so far. Thompson and Rob have been pluses.
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Post by philarhody on Dec 29, 2020 20:46:33 GMT -5
And Rob is so much better than Theis right now
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Post by philarhody on Dec 29, 2020 20:53:03 GMT -5
Pritchard is Fred Van Vleet. Props to RJP on the early call
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Post by philarhody on Dec 29, 2020 21:12:20 GMT -5
Gosh, why is Theis coming back in the game
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 29, 2020 21:22:44 GMT -5
Pritchard looks like he jumped Teague already... 10-5-5 tonight in 27 minutes certainly not perfect, but wouldn’t expect him to be.
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Post by wcp3 on Dec 29, 2020 22:20:59 GMT -5
Small sample size, but Pritchard looks like he’ll be a nice surprise.
Tonight was a nice win, but honestly this team just makes it way too hard on themselves with these disastrous third quarters. Clean up the defense, and the wins should follow.
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 29, 2020 23:56:14 GMT -5
For instance, he seemed to be a lot harder on guys like Jaylen and Rob Williams than he was with Tatum and Grant Williams, and it was never clear why. Because Jaylen and Timelord would mess up incredibly simple stuff and leave fools wide open from just about anywhere. Tatum and Grant were certainly much more plug and play, not that they were great defenders from day one, but they wouldn't miss easy assignments. Maybe Nesmith is not entirely healthy? |
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Post by cdj on Dec 30, 2020 2:40:40 GMT -5
I’m a big fan of Theis but he’s clearly been the 3rd best big they have so far this season. There is Probably an adjustment period playing next to TT so I’m willing to be patient but TimeLord has been quite disruptive- and not in a way where he’s overcommitting. It’s been quite promising. I’d like to see him start getting 20 min
Gotta love Pritchard
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Post by ianrs on Dec 30, 2020 4:34:09 GMT -5
Pritchard is way better than I expected, wow.
Hope we trade Theis+Carsen+picks for a solid wing using the TPE. Stoked to see this team once Romeo comes back, we could be really good. You would still have 3 bigs with G. Williams becoming the defacto smallball lineup center after trading Theis. Danny needs to learn from the past and get some small value for Theis (not lose a player for nothing ala Rozier, Morris, Gordo).
Jaylen Brown has taken yet another leap to a crazy good PnR offensive player.
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