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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 19, 2021 15:50:10 GMT -5
Horford, in a vacuum, would be a fine addition, but this isn’t a vacuum and he’s declining. If he’s all you can get for the TPE then I’d take him for the contract to trade, if nothing else, but I’m waiting until the TPE is about to expire so I wouldn’t be adding it to this years team. Interesting note, I’m pretty sure in your theoretic deal where they take Thompson’s contract. The way the deal would need to be structured, if no one other than Horford came back here, the Celtics would get another TPE for Thompson’s contract. I'm certainly torn over Horford, yeah if you can get a Gordon from the Magic you want that. Yet if I'm trading for Horford it's this year. How much has Horford declined? His age 30 season, his first in Boston and his current age 34 season are damn similar. He's actually scoring, rebounding more and shooting more three's at a higher clip. His defensive rating was 107 and is 108 this year on a crappy team with the league scoring more this year on average. He's currently 9th in RPM among centers and you know that goes up going to Boston with better players. You could do that trade a few different ways, as the Thunder have three big trade exceptions that Thompson fits into. Yet that's also a negative because they won't really value getting a big exception for Horford. If you want to go for it the next few years and are willing to pay the tax and take some risk Horford is likely the best option. He literally checks ever box that we need in a big, would be a massive upgrade over Thompson, while allowing you to dump Thompson. While not perfect, Horford with his D, passing, scoring and shooting would fit next to Theis and Robert Williams better than Thompson does. The pause is a younger option and the injury risk. I can't get the thought of both Walker and Horford potentially going down in the playoffs out of my head. 2 things: 1. NBA teams can structure the same trades differently so it doesn’t need to be mirror images of one another. It’s a weird quirk. 2. Horford loses most of his value playing the 4. We saw that in a Philly. He’s a terrible target if the plan is to play him anywhere but Center. In theory it looks ok, but it’s not. Just like playing Theis there in a double big sucks. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2021 17:50:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't play Horford at PF, it would be Theis/Williams in small spurts and against certain teams. Example the recent Hawks game when they played two bigs. Yet if you commit to Horford, I would explore dealing Theis if a deal made sense.
That's the real issue, getting a big is only one part of what we need. Unless Walker bounces back you need a PG and could use a defensive PG anyway. You'd be asking way too much for Pritchard to be that guy as a rookie, even one as advanced as he is.
Yet maybe were looking at this wrong, trade Kemba for him. Then go get a PG. Yeah we're in the crazy territory now 😂. Yet this team needs something bold.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 19, 2021 21:47:58 GMT -5
That's more like it!
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Post by cdj on Feb 20, 2021 0:04:21 GMT -5
Muchhhhhh better Great game by all 3 bigs tonight. Good to see Kemba’s best game of the season Pritchard has his worst game of the year but it matters 0  Good win |
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Post by ianrs on Feb 20, 2021 4:48:22 GMT -5
Nice win! Kemba looked really decisive and in control.
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 20, 2021 8:40:53 GMT -5
Muchhhhhh better Great game by all 3 bigs tonight. Good to see Kemba’s best game of the season Pritchard has his worst game of the year but it matters 0 Good win Pritchard is 2 for last 19 from 3....and maybe it's his knee, but he's not getting crafty shots closer to the hoop as he appeared to be earlier. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 20, 2021 9:23:04 GMT -5
What we are seeing now is a depth issue. How many games have they had their 4 best players all on the court together? It can’t be many and it certainly wasn’t any that didn’t include the earliest Kemba games. Sometimes situations like these create depth tho by giving guys playing time they wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. Maybe Semi and Nesmith become players this year because of this and come playoff time, everyone is back, Kemba is more comfortable and Tatum isn’t having COVID fatigue. EXACTLY!!! All the noise is based on a team that has not had it's best players available, healthy and or as in Kembas case rusty. But it is a covid season so this is what we get and the C's aren't alone in this. Many pieces have emerged because of it and this team will kick into overdrive in the 2nd half if they can get healthy. |
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Post by mobaz on Feb 20, 2021 12:29:38 GMT -5
I think what we are seeing with this team proves how valuable Smart is. That intensity level just hasn't been there. Also a bit of a reminder that the J's are young and still growing into being true superstars. Kemba's knee is a problem. Just like Hayward's injuries were a problem. Just like Kyrie's attitude was a problem. Just like Horford's aging was a problem. Just like IT's hip was proven to be a problem. The quest to field a 3 star team has been cursed. I really want Kemba to work, because he seems like a genuinely good dude who is a great teammate and would be just as happy dishing 10 assists as he is scoring 25, and he didn't get his due at Charlotte. But I see no hope he's going to be full strength this season, and maybe not again. I hope that Hayward's bounce-back provides hope, but UMASS' points about shots near the hoop are very worrying. If he can't confidently drive to the basket, it's a problem. Hey maybe Kemba just needed more time? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2021 13:49:56 GMT -5
Kemba's knee is a problem. Just like Hayward's injuries were a problem. Just like Kyrie's attitude was a problem. Just like Horford's aging was a problem. Just like IT's hip was proven to be a problem. The quest to field a 3 star team has been cursed. I really want Kemba to work, because he seems like a genuinely good dude who is a great teammate and would be just as happy dishing 10 assists as he is scoring 25, and he didn't get his due at Charlotte. But I see no hope he's going to be full strength this season, and maybe not again. I hope that Hayward's bounce-back provides hope, but UMASS' points about shots near the hoop are very worrying. If he can't confidently drive to the basket, it's a problem. Hey maybe Kemba just needed more time? Gee who could have seen that as a possibility  |
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Post by cdj on Feb 20, 2021 14:15:12 GMT -5
I mean it’s not like the guy entered the season completely cold coming off of a knee procedure or anything
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 20, 2021 15:13:50 GMT -5
Ok....now let's get the "sniper" going....I must say that whether it's his young legs, long arms, or his willfulness, his D adds a dimension.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 20, 2021 15:25:43 GMT -5
There's a massive difference in his game. Maybe this is how he adjusts, yet the data doesn't paint the rosy picture those stats do. As in his layups aren't what you'd expect, shots within three feet. Only 3 layups in 4 games are within three feet, four are 4 feet, two are 5 feet and one is 7 feet. Five came versus the Hawks 22nd ranked D and Young a horrible defender, 3 came versus the Wiz 30th ranked D, two versus Denver's 11th ranked D and zero versus the Raptors 8th ranked D with Lowry.
So I pulled up last year's box score from the second game of the year to see if I wasn't remember correctly. He had four layups within three feet he made, one miss at the rim and one blocked shot at the rim. That was six attempts within 3 feet in one game against Lowry and the Raptors. This year he took one 3ft shot which Boucher blocked and a 4 foot shot that VanFleet of all people blocked.
Last year he was all three's, those 10-12 foot jumpers he likes and shots within three feet of the basket and he could chew up great defenders and defensive teams in the process.
This year he's not going all the way to the basket, heck not even many within three feet and I counted zero shots at the rim in the last four games. He's living in that 4-7 foot range which he's never done before. Now maybe he can adjust and make that work, heck maybe he gets healthier and can get back to what he once was. We've yet to see Kemba Walker the guy from the first half of last year though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 7:13:23 GMT -5
There's a massive difference in his game. Maybe this is how he adjusts, yet the data doesn't paint the rosy picture those stats do. As in his layups aren't what you'd expect, shots within three feet. Only 3 layups in 4 games are within three feet, four are 4 feet, two are 5 feet and one is 7 feet. Five came versus the Hawks 22nd ranked D and Young a horrible defender, 3 came versus the Wiz 30th ranked D, two versus Denver's 11th ranked D and zero versus the Raptors 8th ranked D with Lowry. So I pulled up last year's box score from the second game of the year to see if I wasn't remember correctly. He had four layups within three feet he made, one miss at the rim and one blocked shot at the rim. That was six attempts within 3 feet in one game against Lowry and the Raptors. This year he took one 3ft shot which Boucher blocked and a 4 foot shot that VanFleet of all people blocked. Last year he was all three's, those 10-12 foot jumpers he likes and shots within three feet of the basket and he could chew up great defenders and defensive teams in the process. This year he's not going all the way to the basket, heck not even many within three feet and I counted zero shots at the rim in the last four games. He's living in that 4-7 foot range which he's never done before. Now maybe he can adjust and make that work, heck maybe he gets healthier and can get back to what he once was. We've yet to see Kemba Walker the guy from the first half of last year though. You’re using one data point, albeit a good one, and Kemba’s looked more explosive the last few games. It’s an upward trend. Enjoy it, but we will need to be cautiously optimistic. Even if he gets back to “old Kemba”, we will wonder how long it lasts. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 7:14:01 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 7:15:44 GMT -5
Cousins and Houston are parting ways. If it’s a release and he finds his own team situation, which I believe it is, then cross the Celtics off the list. There’s no reason for him to come here. Not clear playing time and not a clear contender. At least, we know he won’t be going to Brooklyn.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2021 12:28:58 GMT -5
There's a massive difference in his game. Maybe this is how he adjusts, yet the data doesn't paint the rosy picture those stats do. As in his layups aren't what you'd expect, shots within three feet. Only 3 layups in 4 games are within three feet, four are 4 feet, two are 5 feet and one is 7 feet. Five came versus the Hawks 22nd ranked D and Young a horrible defender, 3 came versus the Wiz 30th ranked D, two versus Denver's 11th ranked D and zero versus the Raptors 8th ranked D with Lowry. So I pulled up last year's box score from the second game of the year to see if I wasn't remember correctly. He had four layups within three feet he made, one miss at the rim and one blocked shot at the rim. That was six attempts within 3 feet in one game against Lowry and the Raptors. This year he took one 3ft shot which Boucher blocked and a 4 foot shot that VanFleet of all people blocked. Last year he was all three's, those 10-12 foot jumpers he likes and shots within three feet of the basket and he could chew up great defenders and defensive teams in the process. This year he's not going all the way to the basket, heck not even many within three feet and I counted zero shots at the rim in the last four games. He's living in that 4-7 foot range which he's never done before. Now maybe he can adjust and make that work, heck maybe he gets healthier and can get back to what he once was. We've yet to see Kemba Walker the guy from the first half of last year though. You’re using one data point, albeit a good one, and Kemba’s looked more explosive the last few games. It’s an upward trend. Enjoy it, but we will need to be cautiously optimistic. Even if he gets back to “old Kemba”, we will wonder how long it lasts. Has he looked more explosive the last four games? He looked like crap to me against Denver, playing D and driving was just horrible. Just like with Thompson I judge Walker versus playoff quality teams. Kanter helped us beat up on crappy teams and did almost nothing most of the playoffs. Last year during the playoffs Walker could make three's and his pull up jumpers. What he struggled with was getting by good defenders. The super quick athletic freak that could finish at the rim against monsters was gone. It created massive issues, they started trapping him and he couldn't do anything. It literally is why we started using Tatum in ISO to end games. We couldn't play team ball because Walker couldn't get into the paint at will to draw in the defense and open up our shooters. He could no longer get a bunch of FTs when he was having an off night shooting. Given his D, it matters. If he was Marcus Smart it wouldn't matter one bit, yet Walker is the biggest defensive negative on the team. So his bar on offense is crazy high. I'm not trying to be overly negative, I just think some people are reading way too much into a game against Trae Young and a bad defensive team. I'll be jumping for joy if he starts doing that against good defenders and good defensive teams. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 15:36:09 GMT -5
You’re using one data point, albeit a good one, and Kemba’s looked more explosive the last few games. It’s an upward trend. Enjoy it, but we will need to be cautiously optimistic. Even if he gets back to “old Kemba”, we will wonder how long it lasts. Has he looked more explosive the last four games? He looked like crap to me against Denver, playing D and driving was just horrible. Just like with Thompson I judge Walker versus playoff quality teams. Kanter helped us beat up on crappy teams and did almost nothing most of the playoffs. Last year during the playoffs Walker could make three's and his pull up jumpers. What he struggled with was getting by good defenders. The super quick athletic freak that could finish at the rim against monsters was gone. It created massive issues, they started trapping him and he couldn't do anything. It literally is why we started using Tatum in ISO to end games. We couldn't play team ball because Walker couldn't get into the paint at will to draw in the defense and open up our shooters. He could no longer get a bunch of FTs when he was having an off night shooting. Given his D, it matters. If he was Marcus Smart it wouldn't matter one bit, yet Walker is the biggest defensive negative on the team. So his bar on offense is crazy high. I'm not trying to be overly negative, I just think some people are reading way too much into a game against Trae Young and a bad defensive team. I'll be jumping for joy if he starts doing that against good defenders and good defensive teams. Kemba has looked better than he did before, yes. It’s an improvement - that’s what I’m looking for. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 16:16:52 GMT -5
Nesmith enters the game with the Celtics losing - now plus 16 in 11 minutes.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 21, 2021 17:37:29 GMT -5
Only 14 mins for Rob Williams tonight. Incompetence from the coaching staff.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 21, 2021 17:48:40 GMT -5
This is a horribly coached basketball team.
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Post by homerdante on Feb 21, 2021 18:04:52 GMT -5
Why can't Jalen finish, or shoot free throws yet? His touch does not match his athleticism. I wonder if he'll ever figure it out.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 21, 2021 18:27:18 GMT -5
Rob just swatted Zion twice on the same shot
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 21, 2021 18:34:33 GMT -5
Why can't Jalen finish, or shoot free throws yet? His touch does not match his athleticism. I wonder if he'll ever figure it out. Who's Jalen? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2021 18:41:25 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2021 18:41:44 GMT -5
Why can't Jalen finish, or shoot free throws yet? His touch does not match his athleticism. I wonder if he'll ever figure it out. Who's Jalen? I think he was referring to the guy who was 8/9 from the line as not being able to hit FTs. |
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