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wcp3
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2021 8:47:19 GMT -5
Teague has been a whole lotta awful this year, but he’s not at all undersized.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 23, 2021 9:53:06 GMT -5
I understand questioning Teague and I also wanted them to use that pick, but I don’t see how Bane is a PG and they wanted a PG. Pritchard has been good defensively thus far which is a surprise to us, but maybe not Danny.
The right roster construction, knowing what we know now would have been a different PG than Teague and Bane instead of either Edwards or Greene or maybe Semi.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 23, 2021 11:41:39 GMT -5
I never said take Bane instead of Pritchard. I'm talking at pick 30. It gives you a defensive option. Pritchard has been a pleasant Surprise given the expectations and scouting reports. He's still 6'1" and a guy I'd worry about teams attacking in the playoffs if he has to play a big role.
It's not just height either, Wanamaker is 6'3" like Teague, yet 15 pounds heavier. Wanamaker was a tough physical defender, giving you the option of playing him with Smart. Smart's only 6'3", yet he's 220 pounds which allows him to play physical. Pritchard is 195, Bane is 215.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2021 21:13:25 GMT -5
Dallas goes 5+ minutes without scoring, and the Celts couldn’t extend their lead past 5.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2021 21:51:47 GMT -5
I don’t think the Celtics can afford to wait another 4-5 weeks to make a move. They’re turning into a complete disaster right before our eyes.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 23, 2021 22:15:51 GMT -5
I don't know what to even say anymore.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 23, 2021 22:18:37 GMT -5
I don't know what to even say anymore. "Fade for Cade(Cunningham) "
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Post by cdj on Feb 23, 2021 22:26:04 GMT -5
Big yuck
The Kemba situation kinda reminds me of when Gordon Hayward returned from injury and they jammed him down our throats. Hopefully he’s like Gordon and gets his minutes this year and can come back next year as an impact player. His offense I’m not so worried about. I am worried that Jalen Brunson lit them up late
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 24, 2021 0:46:09 GMT -5
I don't know what to even say anymore. We're a couple of guys away. If Kemba is never getting back to all star form, we need someone we can start alongside Smart, Brown, Tatum and Theis. Try Kemba in the Lou Williams role. Then we still need another good rotational player. It looks worse than it is.
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Post by ianrs on Feb 24, 2021 1:43:48 GMT -5
What you do is the hard thing opposite of the intuitive thing - don't go for it, and sell in a sellers market. Actually trade Theis instead of letting him walk for nothing (like you did with Terry, Morris, Kyrie, and Hayward) since hes going to want a bag. Use the TPE for a 1st. And go for it next year with an offseason trade, hoping that Nesmith and Romeo are ready to contribute more next year (or trade one in off-season). Rest Jaylen (and Kemba for that matter) so his knee doesn't turn to brittle after this insane schedule following a long playoff run. Its not a mistake the Heat are also getting blasted, this team is COVID ravaged and very tired.
You're literally tied with the Knicks in the COVID season from hell. Its not the time to go for it. We're quickly turning into the Philly of the last two years - a team with two stars who has a lame duck head coach and GM who can't get out of their own way, with a roster that was poorly constructed (two bigs and a C playing PF ring any bells? Except ours are a worse version). Like Philly pre-Morey we are becoming a once promising team and treasure trove of assets primed to compete for championships that was bungled through mismanagement and poor front office decision-making. We would really benefit from a leadership shakeup and roster reshuffle, just like they have - or else risk losing the primes of Jaylen and Jayson.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 24, 2021 6:39:20 GMT -5
I really believe in Danny. I think he’s been really good. I don’t think the Thompson contract was bad. Teague was not this bad last year. I didn’t like the draft, but I’ll probably be wrong about it. Pritchard is probably better for this team than Kemba. And Nesmith plays his tail off and seems like a hard worker with good confidence.
The Kemba contract is bad. I was calling for him to be traded after the playoffs. He really hurt this team in the bubble against Miami and Toronto. But when Danny signed him, I thought it was a decent move. I was surprised we were able to land another all star free agent after the Kyrie debacle.
I don’t think Brad is the right guy to coach this team. I feel like I’m late to the party on this one. I don’t think he is tough enough to make hard decisions, especially related to veterans. I think this is also why we have seen his reluctance to call timeouts when things start going badly. For Brad, it seems easier to be hard on a humble kid like Robert Williams or Aaron Nesmith than on veterans like Tristan Thompson or Kemba Walker. Telling Kemba to his face, “you’re just not playing well enough, we’re moving you to the bench until you’re better,” and then dealing with the repercussions seems out of the question with Brad.
The problem is, where do you get that sort of coach? Popovich isn’t leaving San Antonio. And you would need whomever the coach is to be lined up prior to letting Stevens go. I have questions about the respect that the players have for Brad.
With Smart here, I’d bet the Celtics would be 3rd in the East right now, and we’d all be hoping for a major playoff run. But his injury has been a blessing in disguise. This iso heavy offense continues to be ugly, just like it was in the playoffs. And now the defense is average at best without Smart.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2021 9:34:18 GMT -5
The defense was average at best when Smart was here too. The team isn’t going to tank and likely won’t make a big move as Danny is calculated and won’t make a panic move. They should extend Theis, not trade him. My guess is they can get him for a bit more than full MLE money using bird rights. I don’t think teams with cap space will be using that cap space on a guy like him.
Who’s to blame for the ball movement issue? Is it Brad, Tatum or Brown?
You know what I notice several times a game. Opponents have several plays where the ball gets kicked out then swung around the 3 point line while the D rotates and eventually ends up with a wide open 3. I can’t remember the last time the Celtics have ever done that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 24, 2021 10:17:28 GMT -5
It's a flawed roster, I've been saying that since they signed Thompson and Teague. Yet I don't get using Tatum and Brown like they are prime age LeBron and Wade either. You're asking too much for them to be your best scorers, defenders and primary creators. The idea of ball movement is gone, it's iso Tatum/Brown, then Walker bombing away three point shots.
He's managing Robert Williams minutes okay, maybe he doesn't want to hurt Pritchard development by giving him too much to soon. Yet why can't Kemba act as a PG? Why not tell Teague to cut out all those two point shots, just run the offense and shoot three's?
He's able to mold young players and get them to do what he wants. It's no surprise that a guy like Rozier who he completely molded did exactly what he wanted. Heck he even molded Wanamaker, yet he hasn't been able to mold Walker, Irving, Teague or he's not trying too.
Tatum and Brown were awesome last night, on both ends of the court. They cranked up the defense, it felt like a playoff game. Nice come back, yet it shouldn't have ever come to that. Team ball should not disappear because one player gets injured.
They miss Kanter/Horford's ability to score from the big spot. I think people forget how many games Kanter really helped us with last year during the regular season. They don't have the ability to go small and matchup with teams when they do that. Walker isn't close to a PG right now, no Wanamaker to help fill that void. Your counting on two rookies to fill major holes and they just aren't ready. Pritchard looks like he's hitting a rookie wall as they reach about the games you play in a full College season. Nesmith while looking better is still raw.
The problem is even with Smart as your primary creator, that's not going to work in the playoffs. When teams start to clamp down on D, Smart isn't going to be able to blow by people, get into the lane, draw in the D and open up things. He's just basically playing Haywards role this year. You need a PG that can run the show against pressure defense. At minimum a guy like Rozier who can get by anyone with his dribble, then swing the ball back out opening up things. Kemba Walker did that last year, it wasn't till the Raptor series that changed. So if he's not doing that because he can no longer do that, were in big trouble. You can't trade Walker and Steven's just keeps rolling him out there and adjusting everyone else.
It's a shit show, that has no easy fixes. The only plus is if your RJP and you think this is what you need to win Championships, they are getting important developmental time. I personally think we need to get back to 2018 playoffs with the ball moving. Do a practice where no one can shoot untill everyone touches the ball. Go watch some tape of Miami and the ball movement that shredded our defense. Brad get back to actually running your offense that's based on Ball movement. If you think Tatum and Brown have to be the primary creators, then get then to create within the offense, not iso.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 24, 2021 11:55:34 GMT -5
I have questions about the respect that the players have for Brad. What the actual fuck? Jaylen Brown has been to the Eastern Conference Finals THREE times in his career. Giannis has only made it once, Embiid never made it, Donovan Mitchell hasn't either. Heck, Paul George has only been there twice and that was under current NBA champion Frank Vogel. Any player that has no respect for Brad is an imbecile and not someone I would want on my team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2021 14:17:06 GMT -5
They don’t have practices, which is a huge problem. Limited camp, with missing bodies and basically a season with no practices.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 24, 2021 15:27:35 GMT -5
Who says they don't have practices? Stevens talked about Walker returning to practices when he was cleared January 7th, he played his first game January 17th. You might have fewer amounts this year given the schedule, yet they still have practices.
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 24, 2021 15:48:28 GMT -5
It's interesting if you go to page 1 of this thread and read the 3rd post. Nothing has changed since the beginning of the season. That tells me it's the roster. We haven't went backwards...we haven't went forwards...we just have been the same team. The same problem that existed at the start exists now.
How to fix that....trader Danny needs to become TRADER Danny....not look for the grand slam Danny. Honestly, who do we have that are championship players??
- Tatum, Brown, Smart, Theis, Prichard, Williams, Neswmith, Walker
And Smart has his flaws (cann't shoot real great) Prichard and Nesmith are rookies and Prichard is small Walker is well....he's been off a lot and defensive liability Theis....struggles lately shooting the 3 Williams...can't shoot great beyond 15 feet
I'm not asking anyone to be all stars...we have those 2. But solid role players that play their role...yes. Danny has done a horrible job assembling this team while managing the cap. And I believe he hasn't done the best using the draft assets ...someone tell me Oje or Grand Williams or Edwards or Waters are good?? Or trading the last pick in the 1st was good (we used the cap money to sign Jeff Teague and Triston Thompson (anyone say Bane or Xavier Tillman would help more?). I don't know who could have been picked other than Grant Williams..but that has sucked. And lets go back to Romeo Langford or missing on Matisse Thybulle (for $$$), ...or Yabusele or Zizic or RJ Hunter or James Young..or Fab Melo.
In 11 years we have picked the following quality players: Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Jalen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Robert Williams, Payton Prichard Maybe: Aaron Nesmith/Romeo Langford
How many picks did we have in that time span: 34. That's 9 picks in 34...and then we went and lost Rozier, traded Bradley....we hit on top 6 picks basically and that's it. SAD
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 24, 2021 18:02:41 GMT -5
In the past 11 years we have made 18 first rounds picks. Outside of the 9 that were mentioned, you have Kelly Olynky and Jared Sullinger. That's 11 out of 18 picks in the first round of you don't include Grant Williams, 12 out of 18 if you include him. If you think Grant Williams completely sucks given his draft position, that's just not true. That's actually damn good. It only looks bad if you include second round picks and don't acknowledge that those picks don't hit that often. Semi is actually a damn good player for a second round pick.
I'm going to guess Danny has been way above average over that time period.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2021 19:10:42 GMT -5
Who says they don't have practices? Stevens talked about Walker returning to practices when he was cleared January 7th, he played his first game January 17th. You might have fewer amounts this year given the schedule, yet they still have practices. Marcus Smart was talking about it - obviously they technically have practices but they are not real practices like you have in a regular season with days off. He talked about it during the broadcast he was on during the game. So yes, technically there are some but they are few and light considering the rest they need. It’s a lousy situation.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2021 19:12:22 GMT -5
In the past 11 years we have made 18 first rounds picks. Outside of the 9 that were mentioned, you have Kelly Olynky and Jared Sullinger. That's 11 out of 18 picks in the first round of you don't include Grant Williams, 12 out of 18 if you include him. If you think Grant Williams completely sucks given his draft position, that's just not true. That's actually damn good. It only looks bad if you include second round picks and don't acknowledge that those picks don't hit that often. Semi is actually a damn good player for a second round pick. I'm going to guess Danny has been way above average over that time period. And Yabu was solely to stash to save cap room for the Hayward signing. He wasn’t a real pick.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 24, 2021 20:36:38 GMT -5
So giving up 72 points in a half to the Hawks is pretty good ball.
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Post by dyoungteach on Feb 24, 2021 20:48:31 GMT -5
All I’ll say if you think ainge picks are good..... results !! We are where right now??? Oh that’s right. Below .500, down at half to a team not in playoffs who scored 72 on us in a half, WITH 2 all stars. Yeah that depth is looking just great.
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Post by cdj on Feb 24, 2021 20:58:35 GMT -5
Ok ok ok maybe this is the low point
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 24, 2021 21:49:23 GMT -5
Ainge has done a miserable job putting this roster together, but this team has clearly quit on Stevens. Both guys deserve to get dragged for this, and they need to clean up the mess.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 24, 2021 22:02:03 GMT -5
Bigger problems than this but does it strike anyone else as strange that Nesmith, who has been getting 20+ minutes the past 6 games, was talked about as being a candidate for the closing 5 (not that it was needed this game) and was showing the type of defensive intensity and hustle that this team was sorely lacking tonight, only played 6 minutes before scrub time?
That just seems odd. There is an easier answer than what is going on in my head but . . .
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